Is she was anywhere near as principled as she's trying to present herself, then she would have stood up to the whip, instead of putting her own career first.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Thoughts on Jo Swinson?
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27-07-2019 01:04 PM #121
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27-07-2019 01:15 PM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Or maybe the whips had something really damning on her and she didn’t dare defy the whip.
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27-07-2019 01:18 PM #123This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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27-07-2019 01:20 PM #125This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-07-2019 12:42 AM #126This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Seriously you clearly have no idea how a long game works and just how well versed the Tories are in the game of sleeper agents (hard lessons from the Cold War). It’s obvious to all (well at least one person) that Jo is just a particularly well played pawn in the big bad Tories game of political espionage...
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28-07-2019 01:15 AM #127This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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28-07-2019 04:15 AM #128This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you think another careerist politician who will always put the interests of her career above and beyond everything else, including the livelihoods of the people she's suppost to represent is the answer against the tories, then you bash on.
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17-09-2019 02:26 PM #129
Just watching her speech to conference.
I've got a fair bit of good feeling towards the LibDem cause (if I were a Unionist that would be my party and post-independence I would like to see Scotland as a centrist country and would happily vote for a Scottish version) but I just cannot take to her at all.
She absolutely reeks of insincerity.
It takes a bit of doing but of all the cretins in the political arena right now, she's the one that annoys me the most.
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17-09-2019 02:42 PM #130This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I also hate the way she continually says "well you know" when asked a challenging question.
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17-09-2019 02:48 PM #131This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Paddy Ashdown, Menzies Campbell, Vince Cable, Shirley Williams - it would have been great to think that we might have one of this lot as a potential PM at as difficult a time as this. Good, genuine, trustworthy and competent people.
I just don't get that feeling with Swinson at all.
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17-09-2019 02:59 PM #132
If I lived in England she would get my vote before Johnson or Corbyn.
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17-09-2019 03:09 PM #133This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-09-2019 03:36 PM #134This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-09-2019 04:16 PM #135This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The centre ground is theirs for the taking and the only thing stopping them might be Swinson herself.Last edited by Smartie; 17-09-2019 at 04:21 PM.
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17-09-2019 04:22 PM #136This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They're saying things, but attaching conditions to them that they know will never be met and people are actually falling for it.
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17-09-2019 04:26 PM #137This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
So even Corbyn’s promise to negotiate a Labour brexit before having a people’s vote and campaigning against their own deal can only be delivered if he wins a majority.
That’s how it works.
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17-09-2019 04:29 PM #138This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-09-2019 04:46 PM #139This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-09-2019 05:16 PM #140This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
These are slightly different times to normal where they'd be expected to play 3rd fiddle to the other 2 and only ever hope to be the makeweight in a coalition.
Sticking the "revoke article 50" message out there might be popular and there are a lot of disillusioned Labour and Conservative voters out there - in both the Leave and Remain camps.
I think they'll be quietly thinking they can sneak in and get a majority, and it might be that Labour and the Tories end up splitting the "Leave" vote.
Maybe the SNP will hold the balance of power?
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17-09-2019 05:25 PM #141This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's their "number 1 policy" for 3 reasons:
1) It wins votes
2) Not enough votes that they'll ever be in a position where they can carry it out.
3) It distracts people from their more sinister policies which they'd waste no time enacting should they enter another coalition with the Conservative Party.
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17-09-2019 05:29 PM #142This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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17-09-2019 08:12 PM #143This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As for Swinson, I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something sinister about her. I think she’s a Tory who realised that to get into parliament in Scotland (at that time) you couldn’t be a Tory, so she became a Lib Dem.
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17-09-2019 08:22 PM #144This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We've not really resolved the Leave/Remain issue and it is the dominant issue for the vast majority of people in England. This is likely to be the primary motivational factor when it comes to voting intentions of about 90% of the UK.
The LibDems have been consistent throughout and they have got in there early with their intention regards remaining in the EU. Their message could be very appealing to the disillusioned, disaffected retainers within especially the conservative but also the Labour Party. Corbyn isn't popular amongst those folk and they won't need all that much convincing to potentially look elsewhere.
Who would have thought 10 years ago that the SNP would have had the electoral success they have had? Constitutional issues such as this are very emotive and can lead to the rule book being ripped up.
Someone mentioned on here that the odds on a LibDem/ SNP coalition were very high. I'm starting to think it could be a shrewd bet.
It will be very interesting to see how any election pans out as it may see more tactical voting than ever before.
I think it is very hard to call at this stage and I wouldn't rule out something really bizarre happening.
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17-09-2019 08:25 PM #145This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Swinson was backing party policy in 2008. The Lib Dems were calling for an in/out referendum in which they would back staying in. And let’s not forget this was under Nick Clegg, who may be many things but is as Europhile as they come.
She criticised Cameron for calling a referendum that was all about managing dissent within the Tories, which everyone agrees with.
And even if her personal view was to leave in 2008, which I’ve not seen any proof of - it is possible to change ones mind. Unfortunately there are a few too many swivel heads who want to direct anger against those who voted the other way in both referenda, rather than seeking to understand why they did and how to persuade them otherwise.
Seems to me that Swinson on here attracts disproportionate vitriol and insults, usually of a personal nature (her accent etc). That suggests to me that she may be more of a threat to those posters than they care to admit. I suspect some of the ladies on here doth protest too much :-)
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17-09-2019 09:22 PM #146
Horrific.
Looked like we could have a proper remain alliance to take it to the Tories and avoid a no deal by sticking together, leading to the Tories being out of government. Power gone to her head within a fortnight and putting that in jeapordy.
If she ****s this up and causes a no deal I will be even angrier at her than anyone else.
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17-09-2019 09:26 PM #147This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There needs to be a deal between labour and the Lib Dem’s for there to be any type of remain alliance, and so far there is no sign of that. I don’t see how it’s jo Swindon’s fault though.
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17-09-2019 09:43 PM #148This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It’s like he is on a different planet to the membership, although in reality it is the likes of Seamas Milne manipulating a well-intended but not very bright man for their ideological purposes.There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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17-09-2019 09:55 PM #149This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
She'll flip back to her trend of voting with the Tories faster than you can say Nick Clegg.
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17-09-2019 10:21 PM #150
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I made the mistake of voting for the Lib Dems in 2010 and will never repeat that mistake again. I'd honestly rather vote Tory.
I'm a massive remainer but their policy of simply revoking article 50 is total undemocratic nonsense that they are only going with as they know they don't have a chance in hell of getting a majority. They might as well promise everyone a unicorn.
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