Brexit - What Now.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hurrah! Love this. Projected onto parliament earlier this week, a new campaign: ‘Demand police action on Brexit crimes @UKdemocracy999’

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[Moulin Yarns]

Corbyn’s reaction to Johnson wanting an election

Sums it up very well “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

[JeMeSouviens]

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Corbyn’s reaction to Johnson wanting an election

Sums it up very well “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

Labour's position still unresolved, as is the SNP's I think. PoliticsHome website reports a furious row between Seamus Milne and Nick Brown (Lab's chief whip).

The government are bringing another FTPA vote (requiring 2/3 majority) on Monday. No doubt after a weekend of relentless Tory Corbyn-baiting.

The latest date for parliament to agree a pre-Oct 31 election is next Thursday before prorogation kicks in.

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson currently doing a speech against a backdrop of police. Going full on for the authoritarian vote.

Meanwhile rumours that Amber Rudd might be about to resign.

[lapsedhibee]

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Johnson currently doing a speech against a backdrop of police. Going full on for the authoritarian vote.

He should send them round to Brussels, give them a good kicking, make them see sense. Good old Bathtoy!

[JeMeSouviens]

Johnson says he'd rather be "dead in a ditch"* than ask for another extension. If that's not a reason to go long on an election date, I don't know what is?





* of course, he also promised to "Lie down in front of the bulldozers" to stop Heathrow expansion and then mysteriously couldn't even manage to drag his sorry arse to Westminster to vote against it. So maybe he's just a lying *****bag, who can say?

[ACLeith]

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So maybe he's just a lying *****bag, who can say?

Of all the rhetorical questions I have read on here that's in the top 3
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[BroxburnHibee]

Looks like Corbyn has agreed to force him to ask for the extension.

It really would be foolish to give him a way out.

[Cataplana]

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Looks like Corbyn has agreed to force him to ask for the extension.

It really would be foolish to give him a way out.

Won't scan well in an election though. "You had one job, that was to get us out by 31/10 and you couldn't even do that."

[Peevemor]

What I don't understand is the need for a Queen's speech (and the extended prorogation of parliament) given that the government no longer have a working majority and we're almost certain to have a general election before the end of November.

Can anyone enlighten me?

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Looks like Corbyn has agreed to force him to ask for the extension.

It really would be foolish to give him a way out.

Yes, Corbyn need only hand Bozo enough rope then stand back. Don't grant him a general election before the Brexit deadline.

[Colr]

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Labour's position still unresolved, as is the SNP's I think. PoliticsHome website reports a furious row between Seamus Milne and Nick Brown (Lab's chief whip).

The government are bringing another FTPA vote (requiring 2/3 majority) on Monday. No doubt after a weekend of relentless Tory Corbyn-baiting.

The latest date for parliament to agree a pre-Oct 31 election is next Thursday before prorogation kicks in.

Can’t quite grasp why they are not planning a vote of no confidence in Johnson.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Can’t quite grasp why they are not planning a vote of no confidence in Johnson.

I can only think of two possible reasons:

1, They think they can force Johnson to break his Halloween deadline to leave the EU, thus destroying the basis of his premiership. Leave Bozo to deal with the impossible issue of Brexit.
2, They don't think they can win it.

[Peevemor]

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Can’t quite grasp why they are not planning a vote of no confidence in Johnson.

Because if they win it'll force the early election that they want to avoid.

Bojo should probably submit a motion of no confidence in himself.

[G B Young]

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Labour's position still unresolved, as is the SNP's I think. PoliticsHome website reports a furious row between Seamus Milne and Nick Brown (Lab's chief whip).

The government are bringing another FTPA vote (requiring 2/3 majority) on Monday. No doubt after a weekend of relentless Tory Corbyn-baiting.

The latest date for parliament to agree a pre-Oct 31 election is next Thursday before prorogation kicks in.

There appears to have been some substance to the SNP narrative, with Corbyn and Milne apparently keen to go for an early election as they feared the SNP would leave them looking 'frit':

According to the Beeb:
Len McCluskey and other senior Labour figures have been concerned that the SNP would leave Labour high and dry by agreeing to an election on Monday, and making Mr Corbyn look scared.
Labour would, to an extent, be inoculated from charges of dither and delay if the whole opposition remains united.
And it now looks like the "rebel alliance" is holding, following cross-party talks at which the SNP's Westminster leader and Mr Corbyn were present.
There have been reported tensions between the SNP in Edinburgh - the party leader Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to "bring on" an early election - and the SNP at Westminster. However, senior SNP figures in London are alive to the possibility that if Mr Johnson is elected in a snap poll and goes for no-deal, the party would be open to the charge of enabling it.

[Peevemor]

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There appears to have been some substance to the SNP narrative, with Corbyn and Milne apparently keen to go for an early election as they feared the SNP would leave them looking 'frit':

According to the Beeb:
Len McCluskey and other senior Labour figures have been concerned that the SNP would leave Labour high and dry by agreeing to an election on Monday, and making Mr Corbyn look scared.
Labour would, to an extent, be inoculated from charges of dither and delay if the whole opposition remains united.
And it now looks like the "rebel alliance" is holding, following cross-party talks at which the SNP's Westminster leader and Mr Corbyn were present.
There have been reported tensions between the SNP in Edinburgh - the party leader Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to "bring on" an early election - and the SNP at Westminster. However, senior SNP figures in London are alive to the possibility that if Mr Johnson is elected in a snap poll and goes for no-deal, the party would be open to the charge of enabling it.

That's full of ifs and buts. The tweet suggested that the SNP were willing to hand Bojo his no deal Brexit which is absolutely not the case.

[Colr]

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Because if they win it'll force the early election that they want to avoid.

Bojo should probably submit a motion of no confidence in himself.

But it won’t. No confidence doesn't trigger a general election in the first instance. It triggers a period of 14 days during which an act of confidence can be secured in an alternative government (government of national unity opportunity). Only if thst can’t be done will an election be called.

Trouble is Corbyn is insisting that only he can be that leader but he won’t get the vote.

If Labour could coalesce around someone else, they could help bring an end to the current government around a compromise leader to get througj Brexit then have an election.

[Hibrandenburg]

Well Question Time was a car crash tonight. If that was a fair snapshot of the political situation in the UK then your all ****ed.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Well Question Time was a car crash tonight. If that was a fair snapshot of the political situation in the UK then your all ****ed.

It was another example of how split the country is. Positions have hardened on both sides since 2016a and there is no room for compromise. The civil war over Europe that has been raging in the Tory party for thirty years has now gone nationwide.

[Ozyhibby]

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It was another example of how split the country is. Positions have hardened on both sides since 2016a and there is no room for compromise. The civil war over Europe that has been raging in the Tory party for thirty years has now gone nationwide.

Yip, I think it’s either no deal or remain now. The middle ground has gone.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

i'd love to know what sneaky carmichael thoughts are with a story in the Tory rag DM


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we (the SNP) are just going TOO far, if no deal fails there's no independence, again IMO...time will tell but i just don't get it. i DO understand not helping the tories to push no deal through, i DON't get trying their/our damnest to help remain win the day, indy is ******* goosed then, the support will simply not be there, i honestly think some at the top of the SNP have been getting a tad carried away at polls showing quite healthy support but the polls ultimately follow bad no-deal stories, of course there's that chance they know something i don't but i'm glabberfasted wtf it is

Corbyn : help us get no deal and i'l give you a sect 30
SNP : aye ok braw

Corbyn to McDonnell and Abbot: well that was easy, the support won't be there to get indy2 over the line
Corbyn to Leonard : we played a blinder with you kidding on you were up in arms at me offering a sect 30 a few weeks back, it got them on board, tee hee



and relax

[cabbageandribs1875]

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hard to disagree with the 45% here Hello Bankruptcy....followed by Tory austerity again

[Ozyhibby]

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i'd love to know what sneaky carmichael thoughts are with a story in the Tory rag DM


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we (the SNP) are just going TOO far, if no deal fails there's no independence, again IMO...time will tell but i just don't get it. i DO understand not helping the tories to push no deal through, i DON't get trying their/our damnest to help remain win the day, indy is ******* goosed then, the support will simply not be there, i honestly think some at the top of the SNP have been getting a tad carried away at polls showing quite healthy support but the polls ultimately follow bad no-deal stories, of course there's that chance they know something i don't but i'm glabberfasted wtf it is

Corbyn : help us get no deal and i'l give you a sect 30
SNP : aye ok braw

Corbyn to McDonnell and Abbot: well that was easy, the support won't be there to get indy2 over the line
Corbyn to Leonard : we played a blinder with you kidding on you were up in arms at me offering a sect 30 a few weeks back, it got them on board, tee hee



and relax

No deal may help initially boost support for independence but it also makes it less likely if there is the chance of a hard border between Scotland and England. And in a campaign it allows better together 2 to make all sorts of claims about border posts and tariffs. People in Scotland will not vote for any sort of border with England. At the very least the SNP need a soft brexit, preferably still in CU and SM. That way trading arrangement are already known and the border will remain as is. If UK eventually end up not leaving at all, YES still in with good chance as brexit will remain number 1 issue down south for next generation.


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[Colr]

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Because if they win it'll force the early election that they want to avoid.

Bojo should probably submit a motion of no confidence in himself.

Although on your last point would that maybe be presented as a “back me or sack me” type vote that John Major triggered on his own party leadership (over Europe - big surprise).

[Ozyhibby]

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Although on your last point would that maybe be presented as a “back me or sack me” type vote that John Major triggered on his own party leadership (over Europe - big surprise).

Different doing it in the commons though. If he goes for VONC then the opposition parties should abstain. Make his own party vote no confidence in him. It damages him in the election campaign.


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[Benny Brazil]

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Well Question Time was a car crash tonight. If that was a fair snapshot of the political situation in the UK then your all ****ed.

Had to laugh at Emily Thornberry and her plan to negotiate a deal and then campaign to remain - utterly bizarre

[G B Young]

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Had to laugh at Emily Thornberry and her plan to negotiate a deal and then campaign to remain - utterly bizarre

If Corbyn didn't exist Thornberry alone would be enough to put you off ever voting Labour. Misplaced smugness masking a complete inability to provide a coherent explanation of her party's actual policy on all this. And yes, claiming that if Labour came into power (perish the thought) she would negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU then campaign against what she'd just negotiated...

In saying that, I had to switch off after about 15 minutes. I pretty much hate Question Time full stop, but thought I'd tune in to get an idea of the current 'zeitgeist'. As others have said, what a car crash. The radio presenter (can't remember his name) was correct in saying they might as well pack up and let the audience take over.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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If Corbyn didn't exist Thornberry alone would be enough to put you off ever voting Labour. Misplaced smugness masking a complete inability to provide a coherent explanation of her party's actual policy on all this. And yes, claiming that if Labour came into power (perish the thought) she would negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU then campaign against what she'd just negotiated...

In saying that, I had to switch off after about 15 minutes. I pretty much hate Question Time full stop, but thought I'd tune in to get an idea of the current 'zeitgeist'. As others have said, what a car crash. The radio presenter (can't remember his name) was correct in saying they might as well pack up and let the audience take over.

You would rather have Bozo and more Tory crony capitalism - socialism for the rich (banks) and market discipline for the poor, would you?

There is nothing wrong with what Thornbury said. She accepts the 2016 referendum result whilst believing the UK is better off in the EU. That's the same position as former Tory Ken Clark and Bozo's brother Jo Johnson. She is willing to see us leave the EU but personally doesn't want it, which is my view too. It is entirely possible to do what one believes is one's duty without necessarily believe it's the right course of action. The UK referendum voted leave, we in Scotland did not, hence I am now pro-independence though I voted No in 2015. The UK voted leave so it should leave; but I have come to the conclusion that that decision is not right for Scotland; and, if you're looking to blame someone for the break up of the UK, look at Cameron, May and Johnson ad their lurch towards a right wing, bigoted English nationalism. They unleashed this vote and subsequent strategy.

[Cataplana]

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Well Question Time was a car crash tonight. If that was a fair snapshot of the political situation in the UK then your all ****ed.

Shocking, I have never known the panelists to interrupt and harangue the audience before.

[Bristolhibby]

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There appears to have been some substance to the SNP narrative, with Corbyn and Milne apparently keen to go for an early election as they feared the SNP would leave them looking 'frit':

According to the Beeb:
Len McCluskey and other senior Labour figures have been concerned that the SNP would leave Labour high and dry by agreeing to an election on Monday, and making Mr Corbyn look scared.
Labour would, to an extent, be inoculated from charges of dither and delay if the whole opposition remains united.
And it now looks like the "rebel alliance" is holding, following cross-party talks at which the SNP's Westminster leader and Mr Corbyn were present.
There have been reported tensions between the SNP in Edinburgh - the party leader Nicola Sturgeon has said she wants to "bring on" an early election - and the SNP at Westminster. However, senior SNP figures in London are alive to the possibility that if Mr Johnson is elected in a snap poll and goes for no-deal, the party would be open to the charge of enabling it.

This “Bring it on” from the SNP has all come from one tweet from Nichola.

I feel this is not literally being it on right now, but in the imminent future (1/11/10).

I and she will be keenly aware of the optics of enabling a Tory hard Brexit. She ain’t daft. Which is why the Tories must stew.

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