Brexit - What Now.

***cabbageandribs1875*** · 03-09-2019 09:41 PM

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***bringbackbenny*** · 03-09-2019 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by lord bunberry

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I wonder if May was one of the rebels.

Nope, spineless as always.

***Ryan91*** · 03-09-2019 09:43 PM

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Yes, but that's a huge if. Brexit voters were told it would be the easiest deal in history etc; how many of them will hold firm now?

Scotland will boot out its dozen Tory MPs for a start.

Farage and his Brexit Party will be interesting to watch, they'll face far greater scrutiny at a GE than they did at the Euro Elections.

Wonder if they choose to stand in all seats or maybe they stand aside in pro-Leave Tory seats and go after pro-Leave Labour seats?

Hope that fanny stands and fails to get elected AGAIN

***Callum_62*** · 03-09-2019 09:43 PM

Anyone with any sense must see the only compromise is a soft brexit

No deal is just madness

Revoking causing more division

In saying that I just think its all a massive mess which is probably going to cause the biggest shake up in politics in my generation

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***lord bunberry*** · 03-09-2019 09:44 PM

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Farage and his Brexit Party will be interesting to watch, they'll face far greater scrutiny at a GE than they did at the Euro Elections.

Wonder if they choose to stand in all seats or maybe they stand aside in pro-Leave Tory seats and go after pro-Leave Labour seats?

Hope that fanny stands and fails to get elected AGAIN

They’ve agreed a non aggression pact with the tories.

***Smartie*** · 03-09-2019 09:45 PM

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I actually think that tonight has just made no deal more certain. Deal between BoJo and his clowns and Farage on the cards.

I don't think there is a majority in favour of Brexit any more.

The problem is, it is far easier to see Farage and BoJo striking a deal and standing together whereas it is much harder to see the Remainers standing together - not unreasonable either, as Corbyn is a divisive figure for many.

I can only see BoJo winning with a substantial majority and having a strong mandate to do whatever he wants - that will be a no deal, hard Brexit and all manner of insufferable nonsense after that.

***Ozyhibby*** · 03-09-2019 09:46 PM

Can Corbyn win?

He would need to come out for a 2nd ref, he would need non aggression pact with the Lib Dem’s, Plaid and SNP and then he would need a coalition with them and even then it would be close.

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***1875godsgift*** · 03-09-2019 09:47 PM

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It could be a factor, but I think people are waking up to the Brexit nonsense and realise no deal is madness.

I think there was some complacency among Remainers, in that they didn't expect to lose.

Much like David Cameron

***Colr*** · 03-09-2019 09:48 PM

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Can Corbyn win?

He would need to come out for a 2nd ref, he would need non aggression pact with the Lib Dem’s, Plaid and SNP and then he would need a coalition with them and even then it would be close.

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Would McLuskey and Milne let him? Would anyone believe him if he did. He’s leave and always has been.

***lord bunberry*** · 03-09-2019 09:48 PM

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Anyone with any sense must see the only compromise is a soft brexit

No deal is just madness

Revoking causing more division

In saying that I just think its all a massive mess which is probably going to cause the biggest shake up in politics in my generation

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I agree but it’s not going to happen imo. No deal will happen, it’s just a matter of when. The only thing that will stop it is the tories not getting a majority in a general election.

***Ryan91*** · 03-09-2019 09:49 PM

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Anyone with any sense must see the only compromise is a soft brexit

No deal is just madness

Revoking causing more division

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There won't be a middle ground unfortunately.

Remaining with our current deal or No deal are the choices.

Either way, any ills that befall the UK in either scenario will be blamed on the EU

***Ozyhibby*** · 03-09-2019 09:49 PM

The 21 Tory rebels standing as independents could also be a problem for the Tories. Would split Tory vote in those areas.

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***Callum_62*** · 03-09-2019 09:49 PM

Dunno like - Labour came fairly close last snap GE after forecasting a huge majority for the tories

If Scotland vote as expected SNP will gain 11 or so seats from the tories

Definately would need a pact with SNP plaid etc (hello indy ref 2)

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***Ozyhibby*** · 03-09-2019 09:50 PM

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There won't be a middle ground unfortunately.

Remaining with our current deal or No deal are the choices.

Either way, any ills that befall the UK in either scenario will be blamed on the EU

Yip. Middle ground has now gone. It’s winner takes all.

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***Callum_62*** · 03-09-2019 09:51 PM

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Yip. Middle ground has now gone. It’s winner takes all.

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"all" isn't that much in a no deal brexit

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***Hibernia&Alba*** · 03-09-2019 09:51 PM

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Yes. Choice in an election will be a no deal brexit v Corbyn govt. What a terrible choice.

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Nonsense. A Corbyn government is infinitely preferable, IMO. Our society has been destroyed since 2010; there is no dilemma here. We need an alternative to the neoliberal race to the bottom. End moneyism and let's test whether humanism can provide a better path, as the Attlee government did in 1945. It can't do any worse but may do so much better.

***lord bunberry*** · 03-09-2019 09:52 PM

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Dunno like - Labour came fairly close last snap GE after forecasting a huge majority for the tories

If Scotland vote as expected SNP will gain 11 or so seats from the tories

Definately would need a pact with SNP plaid etc (hello indy ref 2)

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I hope you’re right, but labours credibility has taken a bit of a battering since then.

***Ozyhibby*** · 03-09-2019 09:53 PM

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Nonsense. A Corbyn government is infinitely preferable, IMO. Our society has been destroyed since 2010; there is no dilemma here. We need an alternative to the neoliberal race to the bottom. End moneyism and let's test whether humanism can provide a better path, as the Attlee government did in 1945. It can't do any worse but may do so much better.

With 21 less Tory mp’s then we could have a new govt by tomorrow if mp’s wanted it.

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***Colr*** · 03-09-2019 09:55 PM

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With 21 less Tory mp’s then we could have a new govt by tomorrow if mp’s wanted it.

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Led by whom?

***Ryan91*** · 03-09-2019 09:57 PM

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Led by whom?

Not Corbyn, popular alternatives seem to be Ken Clarke or Yvette Cooper, Jo Swinson probably thinks she's in with a shot, but she'll find herself being ignored by everyone else.

**stoneyburn hibs** · 03-09-2019 09:57 PM

I see that the self serving scrote David no deal would be a disaster for Scotland Mundell voted against.

Every Scottish Tory.

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 03-09-2019 09:59 PM

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With 21 less Tory mp’s then we could have a new govt by tomorrow if mp’s wanted it.

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There has to be a general election first.

***Callum_62*** · 03-09-2019 09:59 PM

All 21 rebels have been informed they are out apparently

Ledsom seemed to suggest there was a way back for them in tomorrow's vote

This includes Winston Churchills grandson

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***lord bunberry*** · 03-09-2019 09:59 PM

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I see that the self serving scrote David no deal would be a disaster for Scotland Mundell voted against.

That spineless loser would never do anything that might threaten his career, a complete disgrace of a man.

**stoneyburn hibs** · 03-09-2019 10:01 PM

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That spineless loser would never do anything that might threaten his career, a complete disgrace of a man.

I just edited my post mate.

It was every Scottish Tory.

***Future17*** · 03-09-2019 10:03 PM

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Not sure who's performance was worse today - Bojo or Jackson Carlaw. Carlaw's jibe at Sturgeon was classless. Hope he gets the job.

It was crass and stupid, but her comment wasn't particularly endearing either.

***lord bunberry*** · 03-09-2019 10:05 PM

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I just edited my post mate.

It was every Scottish Tory.

My reply applies to all of them

***Hibrandenburg*** · 03-09-2019 10:07 PM

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It was shown in full on the bbc news channel.

Damn, I was watching sky because I was pissed off with the BBC doing it permanently. What did I miss.

***Callum_62*** · 03-09-2019 10:07 PM

21 rebels now confirmed whip has been removed

Well that's gotta guarentee them voting for the bill tomorrow

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**stoneyburn hibs** · 03-09-2019 10:09 PM

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21 rebels now confirmed whip has been removed

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Wow, totally mental.

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