Brexit - What Now.

[Jack Hackett]

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All days without a Y in it.

We're ****ed

[G B Young]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-49387542

More money being wasted because the UK government have put us in this situation. What is the point? How is a no deal brexit going to improve my life?

Would it be better to make no preparations for what now appears to be the most likely scenario?

And it's not the UK government which has put us in this position, the UK parliament has - despite voting to trigger Article 50 by a massive majority, despite the fact Labour made a manifesto pledge to respect the result of the referendum and despite the fact there has been a soft Brexit deal on the table for the best part of a year.

It's all very well howling about a no deal Brexit, but it's clear that whatever sort of deal gets brought back to the Commons is going to get voted down by a cross section of MPs who have essentially decided they know better than the electorate which public votes should be respected.

The bottom line is there's never going to be a perfect deal - and even if there was, officially leaving the EU is only the start of the process. There's years of this to come as we would then have to start working out the terms of how we deal with the EU going forward.

May's deal may not have been popular but we won't find a better one and it's the narrow self interest of a cross section of MPs who refused to back it at any point which has put us in the position we're in now.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Would it be better to make no preparations for what now appears to be the most likely scenario?

And it's not the UK government which has put us in this position, the UK parliament has - despite voting to trigger Article 50 by a massive majority, despite the fact Labour made a manifesto pledge to respect the result of the referendum and despite the fact there has been a soft Brexit deal on the table for the best part of a year.

It's all very well howling about a no deal Brexit, but it's clear that whatever sort of deal gets brought back to the Commons is going to get voted down by a cross section of MPs who have essentially decided they know better than the electorate which public votes should be respected.

The bottom line is there's never going to be a perfect deal - and even if there was, officially leaving the EU is only the start of the process. There's years of this to come as we would then have to start working out the terms of how we deal with the EU going forward.

May's deal may not have been popular but we won't find a better one and it's the narrow self interest of a cross section of MPs who refused to back it at any point which has put us in the position we're in now.

Whilst on the face of it you are correct I would argue that it all stems from the ****wit Cameron having the referendum in the first place.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Would it be better to make no preparations for what now appears to be the most likely scenario?

And it's not the UK government which has put us in this position, the UK parliament has - despite voting to trigger Article 50 by a massive majority, despite the fact Labour made a manifesto pledge to respect the result of the referendum and despite the fact there has been a soft Brexit deal on the table for the best part of a year.

It's all very well howling about a no deal Brexit, but it's clear that whatever sort of deal gets brought back to the Commons is going to get voted down by a cross section of MPs who have essentially decided they know better than the electorate which public votes should be respected.

The bottom line is there's never going to be a perfect deal - and even if there was, officially leaving the EU is only the start of the process. There's years of this to come as we would then have to start working out the terms of how we deal with the EU going forward.

May's deal may not have been popular but we won't find a better one and it's the narrow self interest of a cross section of MPs who refused to back it at any point which has put us in the position we're in now.

The original meaning of the term soft Brexit was inside the single market and/or customs union. May’s deal is pretty hard (albeit it would be softened as long as an all UK backstop applied).

If we must have brexit then the only sensible compromise was an EEA style deal. Since they wouldn’t compromise, the blame falls squarely on the Tories if they can’t deliver on their own terms.

The whole thing is a monumentally self defeating cluster****.

[Mr Grieves]

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Would it be better to make no preparations for what now appears to be the most likely scenario?

And it's not the UK government which has put us in this position, the UK parliament has - despite voting to trigger Article 50 by a massive majority, despite the fact Labour made a manifesto pledge to respect the result of the referendum and despite the fact there has been a soft Brexit deal on the table for the best part of a year.

It's all very well howling about a no deal Brexit, but it's clear that whatever sort of deal gets brought back to the Commons is going to get voted down by a cross section of MPs who have essentially decided they know better than the electorate which public votes should be respected.

The bottom line is there's never going to be a perfect deal - and even if there was, officially leaving the EU is only the start of the process. There's years of this to come as we would then have to start working out the terms of how we deal with the EU going forward.

May's deal may not have been popular but we won't find a better one and it's the narrow self interest of a cross section of MPs who refused to back it at any point which has put us in the position we're in now.

I'll try to keep this short -

1. May's deal was never a soft brexit.

2.The UK government are responsible for this mess because
a) David Cameron is a complete and utter fanny for starting this cluster****
b) Teresa May backed herself into a corner by setting red lines, meaning there was absolutely no flexibility to get a deal through parliament.
c) Boris Johnson has set us on a course that will at best make the UK poorer. And at worst make us poorer, have food shortages, have people dying because of delayed access to medicine, unable to disinfect drinking water, civil unrest and the army on the streets, loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, culling of livestock, decimation of manufacturing and agriculture, and so on. Even if we're somewhere between best and worst case scenario, it would be a clear dereliction of duty by Johnson and his cabinet to decide to go down that route.

3. We're spending billions of pounds to prepare for something that will make us poorer, which is insane.

4.I'm gonna keep howling

Now, has anybody that supports brexit come up with any positives from leaving the EU without a deal? Surely there's something that makes it worth taking all these risks contained in the government report?

[mjhibby]

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Whilst on the face of it you are correct I would argue that it all stems from the ****wit Cameron having the referendum in the first place.

Exactly. They never thought that the voters would actually vote to leave and now we have had three years of Westminster not having a clue how to sort the mess Cameron left. Every side is using brexit to their own ends and it seems they don't give a toss how the voters are affected. The most depressing time in politics in living memory.

[mjhibby]

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Project fear

Then when it happens - EUs fault

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So predictable. When loads of Independent experts say the brown stuff will hit the fan then trump lover Johnson hits the fake news button. Just as in the US where loads of trump's fake news has been accurate then this seems all too real. The delays in the lorries are inevitable and unless the govt employs thousands of staff,which they won't,to speed up the process then chaos will ensue. Don't think many of the leave voters voted for this. It's ableeping omnishambles of the highest order.

[G B Young]

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Whilst on the face of it you are correct I would argue that it all stems from the ****wit Cameron having the referendum in the first place.

Agreed. He'd likely still be PM today if he hadn't set the ball rolling on this six years ago.

Mind you he can't possibly have expected it all to end up the way it has. He made the pledge of a referendum with a view to appeasing the Eurosceptics, diluting the growing momentum UKIP had back then (hard to credit now but they won the third biggest share of the vote in the 2015 election) and renegotiating the UK's deal with the EU. He must have been quietly confident of a no vote - as indeed it seemed the majority of the electorate were right up until polling day. I was almost as stunned when I woke up to discover the yes vote had won as I was when I discovered Trump had become US president.

[G B Young]

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Exactly. They never thought that the voters would actually vote to leave and now we have had three years of Westminster not having a clue how to sort the mess Cameron left. Every side is using brexit to their own ends and it seems they don't give a toss how the voters are affected. The most depressing time in politics in living memory.

Spot on.

[GreenLake]

We heard a story from some English folk that UK passport holders were sent to a separate line entering Italy a few weeks ago. I wonder if there are any other examples of British passports being treated differently in Europe.

Disclaimer: I am against Brexit.

[Hibrandenburg]

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We heard a story from some English folk that UK passport holders were sent to a separate line entering Italy a few weeks ago. I wonder if there are any other examples of British passports being treated differently in Europe.

Disclaimer: I am against Brexit.

Brits have always been asked to stand in a different line because we didn't sign up to Schengen.

Might just be Italy gearing up for a no deal Brexit and getting some otj training done.

[Moulin Yarns]

No.10 gets it's retaliation in early

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49393556

[wpj]

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Bang on cue

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...brexit-report/

"Just because it comes from a Cabinet Office doesn't mean we have to believe them"

Well, I never do. What a tool

[GreenLake]

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Brits have always been asked to stand in a different line because we didn't sign up to Schengen.

Might just be Italy gearing up for a no deal Brexit and getting some otj training done.

I'm often Schengen when I'm pissed.

I see Farage has been posing with his EU less passport. I bet half of the Brexiteers don't even own a passport. Not needed to go to the highlands in a caravan. At least not yet.

[Northernhibee]

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I'm often Schengen when I'm pissed.

I see Farage has been posing with his EU less passport. I bet half of the Brexiteers don't even own a passport. Not needed to go to the highlands in a caravan. At least not yet.

Will his children and wife be posing with their EU passports they applied for?

[GreenLake]

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Will his children and wife be posing with their EU passports they applied for?

I think his kids have German and UK passports so they will retain free movement in Europe.

[Sylar]

I'm now starting to feel the impacts of this on a professional level.

I had a PhD student lined up to start in October this year - she was German, and she's since dropped out because of the uncertainty around what happens post-October 31st.

We were also just rejected for a Horizon 2020 bid because of the same uncertainty (unofficial feedback comments).

I'm ready to break some windows.

[Callum_62]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49411786

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270

[Jack Hackett]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49411786

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270

I'd love to play poker with the upper class twit. Trying to play the EU with a busted flush and see through cards. He's like a big f***ing kid, and he's the leader of the country ffs!

[ronaldo7]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49411786

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270

It's fine though, the bairns can all sing God save the queen before registration, courtesy of the Scottish Tories.

[lord bunberry]

Can someone explain to me why there will be fuel shortages after a no deal brexit? Surely the oil comes from this country and is refined in this country.

[ballengeich]

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Can someone explain to me why there will be fuel shortages after a no deal brexit? Surely the oil comes from this country and is refined in this country.

From what I've read we we've been net importers since 2013. There are different types of oil, so even if we were net exporters on balance we'd have to import some, because the oil from our own territory isn't suitable for all uses.

[lord bunberry]

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From what I've read we we've been net importers since 2013. There are different types of oil, so even if we were net exporters on balance we'd have to import some, because the oil from our own territory isn't suitable for all uses.

Thanks. I just couldn’t understand what they were on about

[Fife-Hibee]

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Can someone explain to me why there will be fuel shortages after a no deal brexit? Surely the oil comes from this country and is refined in this country.

We're an oil rich country in brent crude. But brent crude doesn't serve every purpose where oil is concerned.

[Andy Bee]

We refine 400,000 barrels of fuel a day, 30% of that is exported but I suppose the shortage scaremongering comes from London and the S/E importing fuel from the Amsterdam/Rotterdam hub because it's cheaper/easier than sourcing it from Grangemouth.

[RyeSloan]

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We're an oil rich country in brent crude. But brent crude doesn't serve every purpose where oil is concerned.

No but it is ideal for the production of petroleum products.

Any Brexit related fuel issues will much more likely be due to refinery output rather than the actual oil.

Essentially Britain is a large exporter of petrol but an even larger importer of diesel. This is largely the legacy of the hair brained scheme to get people to drive diesels which reduced the share of petrol for transport by about a third in relatively short order.

The economics of the refinery business in the UK effectively meant is was cheaper to close the refineries and import the diesel rather than pay the money to change their output / use.

As a result at least half of the UK diesel need is meant by imports and half of that comes from the EU.

[G B Young]

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Corbyn more divisive than Johnson (you use the affectionate "Boris")? Really? And who cares, if him being in charge convinces the big boys in this debate, the EU, to give us more time to extract ourselves from this clusterflip? Because, what seems to be being overlooked in all this UK navel gazing is that it's not in our gift to avoid a no deal brexit by calling a general election, yadah, yadah. We are out on 31/10.

Get Corbyn in. Show the EU there's been a seismic change. We MIGHT get more time to sort it out. Swinson is trying to break the Labour Party when she should only have one target - stop Brexit. She is a Tory-enabling charlatan.

Jeremy re-affirms his Brexiteer credentials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49405423

It makes you wonder why so little progress was made during those useless Tory/Labour cross-party talks in the dying days of May's tenure. One can only assume Corbyn wants to be the PM to deliver Brexit so couldn't countenance backing a perceived Tory deal.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Jeremy re-affirms his Brexiteer credentials.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49405423

It makes you wonder why so little progress was made during those useless Tory/Labour cross-party talks in the dying days of May's tenure. One can only assume Corbyn wants to be the PM to deliver Brexit so couldn't countenance backing a perceived Tory deal.

Actually I think Corbyn wanted someone else to deliver Brexit while he kept his hands clean.

[Smartie]

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Actually I think Corbyn wanted someone else to deliver Brexit while he kept his hands clean.

The Labour and Conservative parties normally have their best public endorsement and freest reign to implement their policies when the other side has managed to make a total Horlicks of things.

If it didn't seem all dithery, snidey and uncommitted, you might argue that it is a half decent approach, if not quite a "mon Scottish Labour esque" master plan.

[G B Young]

National treasure Sir David Attenborough appears to be a Brexiteer:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/21/david...d-eu-10604687/

We don't like being told how much to charge for tomatoes apparently (shades of that Yes Minister episode about Europe trying to rename the good old British banger...).

I'd have had him down as more of a hands across the ocean sort, but maybe Boris Johnson should get him on board to soothe tensions.