"London Bridge is Falling"

***danhibees1875*** · 13-08-2019 07:59 AM

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He can make that decision but only he can. None of us subjects get a say.

I watched the documentary about him on his 70th birthday and he seemed very sure then that he still had a duty to do and would be taking up his position.

Anyway it's after 8am so London Bridge obviously survived the night.

I was maybe thinking of someone else (Philip if he was ever in line maybe? He's older so would make sense) or just getting confused with something else.

People don't get a say, but I can understand why they'd still have a preference if there's a chance it won't be him. It's like wanting Hibs to sign someone or play 2 upfront despite having no say on the matter.

***Hibbyradge*** · 13-08-2019 08:03 AM

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She agreed with one of his posts.

***Hiber-nation*** · 13-08-2019 09:06 AM

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She agreed with one of his posts.

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***Sylar*** · 13-08-2019 09:43 AM

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She agreed with one of his posts.

**Fuzzywuzzy** · 13-08-2019 11:14 AM

One would assume that one would bag a days holiday for one's national Day of one's mourning?

***lord bunberry*** · 13-08-2019 11:46 AM

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One would assume that one would bag a days holiday for one's national Day of one's mourning?

One would certainly hope so. One will also expect one to bag another days holiday when ones new king is crowned.

***The Modfather*** · 13-08-2019 11:50 AM

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One would certainly hope so. One will also expect one to bag another days holiday when ones new king is crowned.

Sod that. I don’t get paid for holidays!

***lord bunberry*** · 13-08-2019 11:59 AM

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Sod that. I don’t get paid for holidays!

Neither do I, but any excuse for a day off

**Haymaker** · 13-08-2019 12:01 PM

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One would assume that one would bag a days holiday for one's national Day of one's mourning?

There was a big article maybe last year in I think the guardian about what will happen when she leaves. Week of mourning, how money will be phased out, funeral plans, what the radios will all play before the announcement etc. Was very interesting, I'll see if I can find it.

***Bristolhibby*** · 13-08-2019 12:05 PM

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A sentiment echoed by the media endlessly and by people who wouldn't claim to be particularly royalist as well. From my point of view I couldn't give a toss how good a job she has done or does … The fact is that the 'job' she has shouldn't exist in a modern democratic society … I dare say there are slum landlords out there who are very good at what they do, that doesn't mean their existence should be encouraged.

Having said that. The current incumbent at the top of Royal Family Ltd undoubtedly enjoys unparalleled personal popularity, even with folk who are at best ambivalent to the idea of the royals, that popularity has buffered the institution from a rise in republican sentiment. Once Charles takes over the 'job' that will no longer be the case, as popular as she is he isn't and perhaps hopefully that will enable a proper discussion as to why we have the utterly ridiculous situation where the position of head of state is dependant on an accident of birth.

Not to mention the utter contradiction of the fact that the king or queen is not only head of state of a secular country but also the head of the Church of England, leading to a situation where the prime minister ( lets leave aside who he is for the moment ) is put in a position where he cant take his partner to Balmoral because the head of the C of E cant be seen to sanction two unmarried but consenting adults sharing a bed under her roof.

Which also brings to mind of course the ridiculous situation that the head of state of this secular country by virtue of the fact that he or she is also head of the church of England must subscribe to and perpetuate a situation which bars 10% of the country's population from the position of head of state, if they were to convert to Catholicism or marry a Catholic …. By having a member of the royal family as head of state a country which purports to abhor discrimination and bigotry enshrines it in law.

Not to forget the fact that the Queen could go out, rob a bank with a shotgun and go on a shooting spree and there is no way to prosecute her.

People in this country are prosecuted in her name - The Crown vs.

She is literally above the Law.

This is an affront to democracy. Nobody should be above the law.

J

**Haymaker** · 13-08-2019 12:10 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-london-bridge

**heretoday** · 13-08-2019 12:53 PM

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Not to forget the fact that the Queen could go out, rob a bank with a shotgun and go on a shooting spree and there is no way to prosecute her.

People in this country are prosecuted in her name - The Crown vs.

She is literally above the Law.

This is an affront to democracy. Nobody should be above the law.

J

She's not the type to go out and do that surely? Not at her age.

***Lester B*** · 13-08-2019 01:10 PM

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**Pretty Boy** · 13-08-2019 01:18 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-london-bridge

I've read that before but it's quite fascinating to read again. It really will be a monumental event. In my lifetime I can only think of Princess Diana and John Paul II as being remotely comparable in terms of scale.

***speedy_gonzales*** · 13-08-2019 01:49 PM

There has always been contingency planning for the deaths of senior royals but for obvious reasons, it has been stepped up in recent years.
I was involved (in a very small way) last summer with a project should a senior Royal pass whilst in Scotland. At the time, it was suggested by an unknown suit that the Queen would be carrying out less official duties (which has been on the cards for a while now) and would be practically retiring to Sandringham & Balmoral. That being the case, the odds of a royal death on Scottish soil would be greater.
When the day comes, the infrastructure is already in place to receive the body at Edinburgh and send it on its way to London, along with all the media links that'll be necessary for the world to ogle at, live, online and in catch-up!

**steakbake** · 13-08-2019 02:02 PM

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There has always been contingency planning for the deaths of senior royals but for obvious reasons, it has been stepped up in recent years.
I was involved (in a very small way) last summer with a project should a senior Royal pass whilst in Scotland. At the time, it was suggested by an unknown suit that the Queen would be carrying out less official duties (which has been on the cards for a while now) and would be practically retiring to Sandringham & Balmoral. That being the case, the odds of a royal death on Scottish soil would be greater.
When the day comes, the infrastructure is already in place to receive the body at Edinburgh and send it on its way to London, along with all the media links that'll be necessary for the world to ogle at, live, online and in catch-up!

Will they pop her in that new salmon pipe that's been all the rage the last few days?

**Just Jimmy** · 13-08-2019 02:10 PM

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Not to forget the fact that the Queen could go out, rob a bank with a shotgun and go on a shooting spree and there is no way to prosecute her.

People in this country are prosecuted in her name - The Crown vs.

She is literally above the Law.

This is an affront to democracy. Nobody should be above the law.

J

she's not really the type though.

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***Smartie*** · 13-08-2019 02:17 PM

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There has always been contingency planning for the deaths of senior royals but for obvious reasons, it has been stepped up in recent years.
I was involved (in a very small way) last summer with a project should a senior Royal pass whilst in Scotland. At the time, it was suggested by an unknown suit that the Queen would be carrying out less official duties (which has been on the cards for a while now) and would be practically retiring to Sandringham & Balmoral. That being the case, the odds of a royal death on Scottish soil would be greater.
When the day comes, the infrastructure is already in place to receive the body at Edinburgh and send it on its way to London, along with all the media links that'll be necessary for the world to ogle at, live, online and in catch-up!

I've always found this sort of thing fascinating.

The plans that are in place to deal with all sorts of eventuality are incredible. I remember speaking to someone who was involved in disaster planning for the city of Edinburgh and he had just finished a major piece of work when the SNP first came to power. They weren't mad on what had been produced so he had to go back to the drawing board and come up with another, whole new plan.

The bit that I found morbidly fascinating was the role of Murrayfield, which is to be one of the main centres. The fields outside the stadium can be used for helicopters to fly in and out and the ice rink is to be used as a mortuary.

I've also been to a talk from the forensic dentist who was involved following the Lockerbie crash. There was some images in that presentation that I'll never be able to un-see and there were some stories that I'll never be able to un-hear.

When London Bridge does fall, you can bet that the whole episode will be the opposite of what is intended - it will deeply undignified, and there will be a horrible, predictable amount of gawping whilst pitiful specimens try to outdo each other in the grief stakes. Attention seekers from the other side of the fence will also try to outdo each other in the needlessly insensitive and offensive stakes.

***Smartie*** · 13-08-2019 02:18 PM

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I've read that before but it's quite fascinating to read again. It really will be a monumental event. In my lifetime I can only think of Princess Diana and John Paul II as being remotely comparable in terms of scale.

Are you too young to remember the time Darren Jackson joined Celtic?

**~~Cataplana~~** · 13-08-2019 02:18 PM

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I’ve already bought my copy of Candle In The Wind to play on repeat if their is bad bews

She was the people's Queen.

Too soon?

***Moulin Yarns*** · 13-08-2019 03:06 PM

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There was a big article maybe last year in I think the guardian about what will happen when she leaves. Week of mourning, how money will be phased out, funeral plans, what the radios will all play before the announcement etc. Was very interesting, I'll see if I can find it.

Surely all currency with the queen's head on it will become illegal tender from the moment she pegged it. That's what we have been told about day one for Scottish independence after all.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 13-08-2019 03:11 PM

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She's not the type to go out and do that surely? Not at her age.

I'm not so sure.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-robbery-suspect-mobility-scooter-flee-scene-crime-a7322936.html

**NAE NOOKIE** · 13-08-2019 03:13 PM

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I've always found this sort of thing fascinating.

The plans that are in place to deal with all sorts of eventuality are incredible. I remember speaking to someone who was involved in disaster planning for the city of Edinburgh and he had just finished a major piece of work when the SNP first came to power. They weren't mad on what had been produced so he had to go back to the drawing board and come up with another, whole new plan.

The bit that I found morbidly fascinating was the role of Murrayfield, which is to be one of the main centres. The fields outside the stadium can be used for helicopters to fly in and out and the ice rink is to be used as a mortuary.

I've also been to a talk from the forensic dentist who was involved following the Lockerbie crash. There was some images in that presentation that I'll never be able to un-see and there were some stories that I'll never be able to un-hear.

When London Bridge does fall, you can bet that the whole episode will be the opposite of what is intended - it will deeply undignified, and there will be a horrible, predictable amount of gawping whilst pitiful specimens try to outdo each other in the grief stakes. Attention seekers from the other side of the fence will also try to outdo each other in the needlessly insensitive and offensive stakes.

Not me mate, even though I am very much on the other side of the fence. I am a member of a couple of anti royalist / republican pages on Facebook and it absolutely does my head in when I see folk posting personal attacks on the members of the royal family as people. This is a fundamental disagreement over the concept of inherited social status and position in a modern democratic society and any attacks on that should be aimed at the institutions themselves, not against whoever happens to be queen, king or whatever at any given point in time.

As I never tire of pointing out to the sometimes hard of thinking on those pages, making the argument personal and especially against the queen who like it or not enjoys massive personal respect / popularity is utterly counter productive.

Anyway …. Citizen not subject

***Keith_M*** · 13-08-2019 05:53 PM

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Not me mate, even though I am very much on the other side of the fence. I am a member of a couple of anti royalist / republican pages on Facebook and it absolutely does my head in when I see folk posting personal attacks on the members of the royal family as people. This is a fundamental disagreement over the concept of inherited social status and position in a modern democratic society and any attacks on that should be aimed at the institutions themselves, not against whoever happens to be queen, king or whatever at any given point in time.

As I never tire of pointing out to the sometimes hard of thinking on those pages, making the argument personal and especially against the queen who like it or not enjoys massive personal respect / popularity is utterly counter productive.

Anyway …. Citizen not subject

When MPs and MSPs take office, they have to officially declare an oath of allegiance to Queen Betty and make a vow to serve her.

How utterly idiotic is that.

I think I'll switch to being German, as they don't officially have a monarchy (though they are obsessed with the Saxe-Coburgs)

***lord bunberry*** · 13-08-2019 05:59 PM

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Not me mate, even though I am very much on the other side of the fence. I am a member of a couple of anti royalist / republican pages on Facebook and it absolutely does my head in when I see folk posting personal attacks on the members of the royal family as people. This is a fundamental disagreement over the concept of inherited social status and position in a modern democratic society and any attacks on that should be aimed at the institutions themselves, not against whoever happens to be queen, king or whatever at any given point in time.

As I never tire of pointing out to the sometimes hard of thinking on those pages, making the argument personal and especially against the queen who like it or not enjoys massive personal respect / popularity is utterly counter productive.

Anyway …. Citizen not subject

I agree, it’s the system not the individuals that I’m against.

**Haymaker** · 13-08-2019 06:05 PM

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I've read that before but it's quite fascinating to read again. It really will be a monumental event. In my lifetime I can only think of Princess Diana and John Paul II as being remotely comparable in terms of scale.

It is fascinating how much prep is involved.

***lapsedhibee*** · 13-08-2019 07:09 PM

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There was a big article maybe last year in I think the guardian about what will happen when she leaves. Week of mourning, how money will be phased out, funeral plans, what the radios will all play before the announcement etc. Was very interesting, I'll see if I can find it.

What, as a mark of respect to her because she never carries any, we won't carry any either?

**Just Jimmy** · 13-08-2019 07:11 PM

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When MPs and MSPs take office, they have to officially declare an oath of allegiance to Queen Betty and make a vow to serve her.

How utterly idiotic is that.

I think I'll switch to being German, as they don't officially have a monarchy (though they are obsessed with the Saxe-Coburgs)

as do the forces and police in England and Wales. often the desire to serve the public is greater than a few token words to something someone doesn't believe it as a concept even if they respect tradition etc.

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