Should Paul Heckingbottom Be Manager?

[Since452]

Deary me. Is a pumping with 10 men from a club with a comparatively massive budget to ours who just pumped a top league Danish side in Europe and have aspirations to win the league now a sackable offence? If we get knocked out the cup by Morton then lose against St Johnstone I'll start to get worried.

First defeat of the season and the knives are out for Heckingbottom yet the Lennon polls only started after 1 win in 15 or whatever it was. Mental.

[leithsansiro]

Yes, of course he should. It’s madness to punt a manager after a literal handful of games. Lennon left ya in a total mess, and people need to remember him for that, not for the win-at-all costs hero he’s being made out as

[we are hibs]

I started the should lennon remain hibs manager thread in december last year and was told it was far too early by several people despite all signs suggesting otherwise. He was gone a month and a half later. So i wont have a go at you starting the thread as i think its a valid question as there are many factors at the minute which just arent right.


But for me he stays. For now. But his coat is on a shoogly peg. Anything less than winning our next 2 and convincing performances and the doubt will grow. I dont envisage him being here long term. His comments during the week contradict everything we see. "We will have a go at celtic and rangers. We will be aggresive. On the front foot" well every single time we have faced either under heckingbottom we have shown none of that.

[angus hibby]

See Mark McNulty’s interview on BBC website.

With McNulty no longer being with us, he doesn’t need to say this. I’ll stick to trusting the guys who have actually worked under Heckingbottom rather than the “fans” who are questioning whether he should be manager after our first competitive defeat of the season.

Yes it was a sore one today but teams do suffer heavy defeats from time to time whether we like it or not. Wenger got 8 I think at Old Trafford?

[SingaporeHibs]

Too early to be talking about sacking but he needs his signings to get a grip of the Scottish game quickly. The English game in the lower leagues is played very differently and none of them should underestimate the quality they are up against in our league.
Hecky himself needs to be quick in his assessment of those he’s signed. If they aren’t showing it they need recycled. I’m worried about Newell and Doidge in particular while Vela and AJ have showed signs of bringing something to the table.
It’s not only his signings that are being assessed. It’s every single player. They all need to step up.
Hecky needs to help himself. I complained about Lennon switching the team from one week to the next and now Hecky doing the same. Why drop AJ for Daz? Why drop Flo for Doidge? Both did well enough last week to keep their place.
At the end of the first round of games we’ll all have a much better idea.

[sleeping giant]

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6-1 is brutal though. I'm not wanting him sacked but that is a disgrace of a performance.

Absolutely .
Sadly these things happen in football .
If it continues to happen , then ill be worried.
Was brutal though.

[DickieDastardly]

Not an unfair post.

We were certainly not in a good place when he came on board and he had a positive impact initially, however post split we were pretty poor.

The concern for me is around his signings, I do not believe any so far are better than existing players and it feels a bit dejavu having a manager thinking the Scottish game is so poor most lower league players from England will stroll it. The game in Scotland may not have the money of the premiership but below average players are quickly found out by fans and opposing teams alike.

I also feel we have been been riding the wave of euphoria since the cup win, it gave great buoyancy to the club but it is now (inevitably) starting to wane.

Hope I am wrong but I fear a long and difficult season may be looming.

[Jim44]

I never thought I’d see myself saying this, but, no matter how negative we want to be about them, Gerrard is putting together a strong team which will challenge Celtic and maybe even pip them to the post. We have little or no chance of a top four finish but a top six finish is well within our grasp. Until that eventuality is slipping away from us, I think it’s a knee-jerk reaction to talk about sacking the guy in the immediate future. If we are in free fall just before Christmas, I would go along with the new broom theory, but we’ve got to give the guy a chance. Tongue in cheek final comment, I wonder if they’ve started a Heckingbottom must stay thread yet.

[Leith Green]

Jury was out for me before today but i havent came on here and hounded him or the team. After today i hope he leaves .. That was an utter shambles today, struggling to think of having seen a worse hibs performance in a long long time. Our team has no speed in possession, no tempo to our play , no aggression in the areas that matter , allow the opposition too much time on the ball. That was a disgraceful way to setup and all his comments reek of negativity with a hint of smarm

[B.H.F.C]

I wouldn’t sack him....yet.

Take away the results, I think he’s caused his own problems. He’s spoken openly about how he wants to play. But the reality couldn’t be further from that. Intensity? Pressing? Na.

[DTS]

Right now yes. It’s two games into the season, today was a shambles had it stayed 11 v 11 who knows but it didn’t and it was a disgrace. Bounce back next two at home and win comfy and it will be time to move in from today. Look at the hearts killie and Aberdeen results this weekend. Rangers and Celtic a mile ahead of the rest and I expect us to still finish 4th IMO. The reality is rangers are now done with being pish going to ibrox is the same as Celtic park now a free hit and hopefully get a good result. They’re a good team and probably the worst team in the country to play against with ten men as their strengths are keeping wingers high and wide

[#2 Double Tap]

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6-1 is brutal though. I'm not wanting him sacked but that is a disgrace of a performance.

I want him sacked along with the recruitment team, they have and are all under performing.

The 3 guys I go to the games with also dislike hecky, he is full of hot air!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Where is Hibs.net on this one?

Yes or no.

Two words :

Perspective.

Tabloid dream poll. When Biscuits and that Aberdeen bang on about this all season the material given on a plate.

Take Hearts as an example - how many without a win and who were they playing - Ross County. I’m back off to bed

[Hibeesmad]

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I wouldn’t sack him....yet.

Take away the results, I think he’s caused his own problems. He’s spoken openly about how he wants to play. But the reality couldn’t be further from that. Intensity? Pressing? Na.

This for me too, he said in his pre match conference that he didn’t mind losing as long as we had a go, did we even have a go today?

[Speedway]

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2 games in .
Absolutely mental.

Let's see where we are in a few games.

What signs of encouragement do you see, SG?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Has the question been changed?

I thought it said "Should Paul Heckingbottom be sacked", so I posted no. Now I see it says "be Manager".

Anyway, as others have said, far too early to ask this question.

If so that’s the poll ****** no?

[BoltonHibee]

No. He shouldn’t be anywhere near our club. Last 6 games of last season abysmal. League cup games and league games been abysmal. His signings have been awful. This is only going to end one way, the sooner he has gone the better for me.


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[CockneyRebel]

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Of course he should. He did a good job last season, so let's not overreact to one shambolic performance. We mustn't see a repeat of today and we need evidence of rebounding from this in the next game. The pressure has increased upon him significantly, particularly in relation to his signings, and he must prove his mettle. Another game like today and he will be in trouble.

Let's see what the next few weeks delivers.

The few decent results last season came with the players he inherited and the longer he was here the worse we looked. The more players he signed, the worse we have got. I am normally a glass half full gadgie but apart from the signings being less than impressive, his tactics are baffling and my glass is near empty. Even a few days ago I was saying give him time - after today he should be doing time.

What's Appleton up to these days?

[Hiber-nation]

As I said on another thread, last season's good run was more down to McNulty rather then Heckingbottom.

The signings are abysmal and I don't give a monkey's what anyone says, Alan Stubbs should have got that job.

[Sir David Gray]

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I never thought I’d see myself saying this, but, no matter how negative we want to be about them, Gerrard is putting together a strong team which will challenge Celtic and maybe even pip them to the post. We have little or no chance of a top four finish but a top six finish is well within our grasp. Until that eventuality is slipping away from us, I think it’s a knee-jerk reaction to talk about sacking the guy in the immediate future. If we are in free fall just before Christmas, I would go along with the new broom theory, but we’ve got to give the guy a chance. Tongue in cheek final comment, I wonder if they’ve started a Heckingbottom must stay thread yet.

We can forget about the top two but what teams would you confidently say are going to finish ahead of us in 3rd and 4th?

Aberdeen just got beaten by St Mirren today, Hearts were dreadful yesterday against Ross County and were lucky to get a draw and Kilmarnock were beaten by Hamilton.

I believe that two out of these three sides would need to finish above us to push us out of the top four as I can't see any other side doing it. I don't see anything special from any of these sides to make me say that we have little to no chance of top four. Aberdeen may improve once they're knocked out of Europe and they don't need to keep playing twice a week but other than that, I can't see any other side being so much better than us.

[Since452]

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I never thought I’d see myself saying this, but, no matter how negative we want to be about them, Gerrard is putting together a strong team which will challenge Celtic and maybe even pip them to the post. We have little or no chance of a top four finish but a top six finish is well within our grasp. Until that eventuality is slipping away from us, I think it’s a knee-jerk reaction to talk about sacking the guy in the immediate future. If we are in free fall just before Christmas, I would go along with the new broom theory, but we’ve got to give the guy a chance. Tongue in cheek final comment, I wonder if they’ve started a Heckingbottom must stay thread yet.

Not having a go but who do you reckon will pip us for 3rd or 4th? Aberdeen were shocking today apparently and Hearts look bottom 6 material. I think 3rd is a possibility as we're all as poor as each other

[Borderhibbie76]

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No. He shouldn’t be anywhere near our club. Last 6 games of last season abysmal. League cup games and league games been abysmal. His signings have been awful. This is only going to end one way, the sooner he has gone the better for me.


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By last 6 games of last season are u including beating Hertz at Tynie and drawing with Celtic at home??

He is not gonna be sacked 2 games into a season especially when we won last week??

I am as angry and disappointed in today as the next Hibee but the overreaction from some on here whilst predictable is just making a bad day 10 x worse.

Let's see where we are in a months time but I agree the sands of time are running and we need to see a vast improvement over the coming weeks


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[KDY Hibs]

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Where is Hibs.net on this one?

Yes or no.

Wow

[Hibby John]

I pray to God he gets his act together before we meet the Jumbos!

[DH1875]

He shouldn't be our manager but he is and I would be amazed if we sacked him anytime soon.

[Hibeesmad]

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By last 6 games of last season are u including beating Hertz at Tynie and drawing with Celtic at home??

He is not gonna be sacked 2 games into a season especially when we won last week??

I am as angry and disappointed in today as the next Hibee but the overreaction from some on here whilst predictable is just making a bad day 10 x worse.

Let's see where we are in a months time but I agree the sands of time are running and we need to see a vast improvement over the coming weeks


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We will see how the run goes between now and the end of September, if things don’t go too well and we lost that derby, I think it could be the beginning of the end.

However, hopefully we win every game between now and then and beat Hearts to be in a comfortable third position, looking back at this day as a distant memory.

[flash]

No doubt there are valid concerns regarding the new players and of course today's performance but it's still too soon to have a definitive answer to this question.
This being the case it's a yes from me.
Having said that I don't think it's a helpful poll at this time and the identity of the poster who created it comes as no surprise.

[Mr Grieves]

I was quite vocal against us appointing him in the first place but now he's here we have to give him a chance. No excuses though, this is his team and there must be improvements in our performances.

[Ozyhibby]

If he keeps selecting Steven Whittaker then he won’t be our manager for very long. Horrendous performance from him today.


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[Crab apple]

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I wouldn’t sack him....yet.

Take away the results, I think he’s caused his own problems. He’s spoken openly about how he wants to play. But the reality couldn’t be further from that. Intensity? Pressing? Na.

I don't see any discernible style of play.