Brexit - What Now.

[RyeSloan]

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If the VAT is being claimed as an input tax will that result in lower receipt to the treasury? I’m well out my depth on tax issues but I’m not sure how HMRC could refund companies who have to pay vat in France say?


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Ach well beyond anything I know much detail about to be honest! I just remembered the above from something I had read.

I think the general gist was that from a VAT perspective the net effect would stay the same as current and as such there was no threat of 20% hikes.

But honestly beyond that I don’t really know so not gonna pretend other wise

[Mibbes Aye]

I’m surprised no one has posted or picked up on this yet. Members of Congress in the USA have stated publicly that they would look to sanction the UK in any post-Brexit trade deal with the US if it harmed the Good Friday agreement, which scrapping the backstop would.

While Congress is generally a two party affair, senators and congressmen and women from both parties and the independents caucus around many issues and the Friends of Ireland caucus has around ten per cent of all Congress members attached to it, which is a big and powerful lobby.

Perhaps more importantly, the chair of the Ways and Means Committee, which has a massive influence on setting and agreeing economic policy is one of the caucus leaders and is adamant that there should be no threat to Good Friday.

Yet another interesting twist to these curious times.

[Just Alf]

Sky news have apparently got hold of part of a UK Government discussion presentation from a reliable source.



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[Callum_62]

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Sky news have apparently got hold of part of a UK Government discussion presentation from a reliable source.



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Aye but 350million per week.

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[CloudSquall]

I can only imagine the unionist reaction if the Scottish Government had a document suggesting a 25% drop in the value of a Scottish currency.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’m surprised no one has posted or picked up on this yet. Members of Congress in the USA have stated publicly that they would look to sanction the UK in any post-Brexit trade deal with the US if it harmed the Good Friday agreement, which scrapping the backstop would.

While Congress is generally a two party affair, senators and congressmen and women from both parties and the independents caucus around many issues and the Friends of Ireland caucus has around ten per cent of all Congress members attached to it, which is a big and powerful lobby.

Perhaps more importantly, the chair of the Ways and Means Committee, which has a massive influence on setting and agreeing economic policy is one of the caucus leaders and is adamant that there should be no threat to Good Friday.

Yet another interesting twist to these curious times.

It was discussed on here a few days ago (can’t remember what thread) that Nancy Pelosi had said there could be no trade deal with the UK while the Good Friday agreement was under threat. Basically that border has to stay open or no trade deal is getting through Congress.


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[lapsedhibee]

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It was discussed on here a few days ago (can’t remember what thread) that Nancy Pelosi had said there could be no trade deal with the UK while the Good Friday agreement was under threat. Basically that border has to stay open or no trade deal is getting through Congress.

Foreign power interfering in the UK's determination to enact the will of its people. Shirley Cummings's spokesdummies will be spouting about the "antidemocratic US Congress" any minute now?

[Callum_62]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636

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[Callum_62]

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I can only imagine the unionist reaction if the Scottish Government had a document suggesting a 25% drop in the value of a Scottish currency.

Pounds been over valued anyway. Apparently

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[JeMeSouviens]

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I’m surprised no one has posted or picked up on this yet. Members of Congress in the USA have stated publicly that they would look to sanction the UK in any post-Brexit trade deal with the US if it harmed the Good Friday agreement, which scrapping the backstop would.

While Congress is generally a two party affair, senators and congressmen and women from both parties and the independents caucus around many issues and the Friends of Ireland caucus has around ten per cent of all Congress members attached to it, which is a big and powerful lobby.

Perhaps more importantly, the chair of the Ways and Means Committee, which has a massive influence on setting and agreeing economic policy is one of the caucus leaders and is adamant that there should be no threat to Good Friday.

Yet another interesting twist to these curious times.

Ahem - previous page - https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post5858764

[Mibbes Aye]

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It was discussed on here a few days ago (can’t remember what thread) that Nancy Pelosi had said there could be no trade deal with the UK while the Good Friday agreement was under threat. Basically that border has to stay open or no trade deal is getting through Congress.


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Ahem - previous page - https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post5858764

Yeah yeah yeah

You are both right, but I was really referring to a report in the Guardian a few days ago that highlighted the chair of Ways and Means (and a caucus member), making it clear his opposition, not Pelosi.

The committee system in Congress is elaborate, labyrinthine and ultimately a real barrier if it wants to be, to anything really happening. I recently read Robert Caro’s magnificent biography of Lyndon Johnson and Caro spends a vast amount of time describing how the committee system works in Congress, or rather how it is dysfunctional and essentially a tool of power for those who ascend to the chairs.

It has not changed much since then. Ways and Means controls tax and tariffs, which means it influences everything, especially trade deals. Pelosi speaking out was a strong sentiment. Richard Neal speaking out is also so, and perhaps stronger.

[StevieC]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636

You have to laugh at the Brexit Party .. put up a candidate that takes 3,000 votes off a pro-Brexit Tory to allow a remain candidate to win by just over 1,000 votes !!

[Ozyhibby]

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You have to laugh at the Brexit Party .. put up a candidate that takes 3,000 votes off a pro-Brexit Tory to allow a remain candidate to win by just over 1,000 votes !!

Farage won’t care. Only a no deal Brexit is enough for him now. Anything else he can spin as a betrayal and will be enough to keep him relevant in uk politics going forward.
No matter what happens, this issue will be in uk politics for a long time.
We can avoid it by voting for independence.


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[Jack]

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Farage won’t care. Only a no deal Brexit is enough for him now. Anything else he can spin as a betrayal and will be enough to keep him relevant in uk politics going forward.
No matter what happens, this issue will be in uk politics for a long time.
We can avoid it by voting for independence.


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It will be like an asteroid just missing Scotland that will turn rUk into a wasteland.

[JeMeSouviens]

Brexit Party MEP Jim McCawber's twitter account:

Jim,

You are an ignorant fool with no respect for the electorate who, for some reason, placed their faith in you.

The last two months as your secretary have been hell. Shove your job up your arse.

- Linda

P.s good luck in changing your password back, you cretinous technophobe

Nice one Linda.

https://twitter.com/JMcCawberMEP/sta...79811705430017


Edit: boo, it's a parody account.

[Fife-Hibee]

Just a wee reminder.

No-Deal Brexit = Hard Brexit

They simply altered the terminology when it became clear that's what the UK Government were planning all along.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Just a wee reminder.

No-Deal Brexit = Hard Brexit

They simply altered the terminology when it became clear that's what the UK Government were planning all along.

What is the legal status of the vote in January?

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mps-much-more-open-to-supporting-pms-brexit-deal-11601782

[Callum_62]

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What is the legal status of the vote in January?

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mps-...-deal-11601782

Parliament can't legally stop no deal I think.

The default legal position come 31st October is to leave with no deal. A hard Brexit

Quite how that would be democratic I'd need to ask Farage

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[Colr]

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Parliament can't legally stop no deal I think.

The default legal position come 31st October is to leave with no deal. A hard Brexit

Quite how that would be democratic I'd need to ask Farage

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Luckily Giles and Sue have already road tested the food shortages for us:

https://youtu.be/gOE0VP0EZ0M

[lord bunberry]

I’m almost certain now that we will leave without a deal. The government are doing as much as they can to piss off the EU while MPs are on holiday. It will only take one country in the EU to say enough is enough you either take the deal on offer or leave with no deal, no more extensions. Parliament can do whatever they want and vote on whatever they want, but if the EU don’t give another extension then there’s no chance of a deal.

[Callum_62]

It does seem more than likley we are heading for no deal

The politicians in the UK are really comically inept

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[Ozyhibby]

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It does seem more than likley we are heading for no deal

The politicians in the UK are really comically inept

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That’s the whole plan. They want everyone to think it’s now inevitable.
It’s still possible for parliament to stop it though, it’s whether the Labour Party will do what it has to do.


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[Just Jimmy]

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It does seem more than likley we are heading for no deal

The politicians in the UK are really comically inept

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the public get what they vote for as a whole.

we voted to stay in the UK and therefore accept UK wide decisions and the UK as an entity voted to leave the EU.

rightly or wrongly it could have all been stopped by voting to remain or for other political outcomes.

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[Callum_62]

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the public get what they vote for as a whole.

we voted to stay in the UK and therefore accept UK wide decisions and the UK as an entity voted to leave the EU.

rightly or wrongly it could have all been stopped by voting to remain or for other political outcomes.

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Show me where people voted for a hard Brexit?

Unless my memory is totally shot alot of the talk was Norway and easy deals etc

We are not getting what we voted for

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[Smartie]

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Show me where people voted for a hard Brexit?

Unless my memory is totally shot alot of the talk was Norway and easy deals etc

We are not getting what we voted for

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Th majority of Brexit voters don't care though - they voted to leave. Not hard, not soft, they didn't care. They just wanted to leave, and the fudging of the issue means that the winning side aren't getting what they wanted.

I'm by no means a Brexiteer but until I have a queue of unhappy Leave voters moaning, I don't really buy this argument.

We're in a really difficult position now - we commit economic suicide or piss off a huge chunk of the electorate.

[Mr Grieves]

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Th majority of Brexit voters don't care though - they voted to leave. Not hard, not soft, they didn't care. They just wanted to leave, and the fudging of the issue means that the winning side aren't getting what they wanted.

I'm by no means a Brexiteer but until I have a queue of unhappy Leave voters moaning, I don't really buy this argument.

We're in a really difficult position now - we commit economic suicide or piss off a huge chunk of the electorate.

A huge chunk of the electorate will be pissed off either way

[Smartie]

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A huge chunk of the electorate will be pissed off either way

TBH I can't see an outcome that doesn't piss off practically everyone.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Th majority of Brexit voters don't care though - they voted to leave. Not hard, not soft, they didn't care. They just wanted to leave, and the fudging of the issue means that the winning side aren't getting what they wanted.

I'm by no means a Brexiteer but until I have a queue of unhappy Leave voters moaning, I don't really buy this argument.

We're in a really difficult position now - we commit economic suicide or piss off a huge chunk of the electorate.

It's utterly impossible for the "winning" side to get what they wanted. Because they all wanted different things out of this. The tories have hijacked the result to turn it into something that the vast vast majority of the British electorate would have rejected had it been laid out on the ballot paper.

[Colr]

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Th majority of Brexit voters don't care though - they voted to leave. Not hard, not soft, they didn't care. They just wanted to leave, and the fudging of the issue means that the winning side aren't getting what they wanted.

I'm by no means a Brexiteer but until I have a queue of unhappy Leave voters moaning, I don't really buy this argument.

We're in a really difficult position now - we commit economic suicide or piss off a huge chunk of the electorate.

I think we’re dripping out. I think it’ll be a disaster and Labour and the Tories will be tainted for a generation. Then we’ll be back in 10 years from now with a worse arrangement than we have now.

If I’m wrong, everything will be OK anyway.

[Fife-Hibee]

But hold on Jo.... If both Labour and the Conservatives want Brexit. Then who are the Lib Dems going to work with to make up the numbers to stop it? Unless of course the Lib Dems have no intentions of trying anything to stop it and are simply riding an opportunistic wave which is about to come crashing to the shore.