Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[brog]

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How much

£7m i believe. Original loan was £3m.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

How much debt in total are they? Must be close to £30m by now.

I now a lot of these were in soft loans though. Has king actually put a single penny into this club?

[Ozyhibby]

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£7m i believe. Original loan was £3m.

Yip, they originally borrowed £3m and paid that back and have since borrowed £7m.
And the have issued new shares although not sure what that means.



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[Ozyhibby]

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How much debt in total are they? Must be close to £30m by now.

I now a lot of these were in soft loans though. Has king actually put a single penny into this club?

I think all the directors converted their loans into shares to get round FFP which is good news for that but if they hit admin because of Ashley then they have no friendly creditors for a CVA vote.


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[ancient hibee]

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There are three charges due to Close Brothers still noted as outstanding against The Rangers Football Club on the Companies House site.

The loans are still outstanding.

That doesn’t mean any loans are outstanding.Charges may be left in place in case Rangers need future borrowing.It saves the expense of going through the charges rigmarole again.

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Explainer from James Doleman.

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2019/0...ect-v-rangers/

[Ozyhibby]

‘Rightly or wrongly’ we forced open the gate.


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[matty_f]

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‘Rightly or wrongly’ we forced open the gate.


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They are utterly shameless. Saw some chat about the ticketing issue being exasperated by fans turning up with fake tickets demanding to get in.

[Cataplana]

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‘Rightly or wrongly’ we forced open the gate.


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I am struggling to think of times it would have been right for them to force the gate.

However the main thing appears to be their contemptible sense of entitlement, that makes them believe they have the right to call the shots on what other clubs do in their own ground.

Kilmarnock should tell them to gtf.

[Smartie]

The circumstances surrounding the forcing of the gate are disgraceful and I hope that anyone involved in that is punished.

Not wanting to stick up for the huns here, but I do think clubs need to get a grip with the ticketing arrangements outside grounds in order to ensure fans can get in speedily. We've had our own issues at our own home and Tynecastle amongst other places (Dunfermline pre-season to pick on another) and when thousands of fans are left outside for longer than is necessary then tempers rise and it can be unpleasant.

By all accounts the recent changes that we've seen at the turnstiles reduce the chances of getting into a ground with a forged ticket. If forgeries are now being weeded out, we now need to ensure we have ample police and stewards near turnstiles to escort folk trying unsuccessfully to get into grounds away so those in possession of valid tickets can gain entry.

Huns are erseholes and will undoubtedly carry much of the blame here, but I do think we have issues with the way we treat large, boisterous away supports in this country - and we don't do a good enough job of it.

[brog]

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I am struggling to think of times it would have been right for them to force the gate.

However the main thing appears to be their contemptible sense of entitlement, that makes them believe they have the right to call the shots on what other clubs do in their own ground.

Kilmarnock should tell them to gtf.

Absolutely, horrible people & club. Traynor at his worst. They supposedly expressed concern about disabled facilities at Killie previously. Really? They were concerned that the disabled area might not be able to withstand half wits jumping up & down on it. I expect Killie to go ballistic over this.

[Chorley Hibee]

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Absolutely, horrible people & club. Traynor at his worst. They supposedly expressed concern about disabled facilities at Killie previously. Really? They were concerned that the disabled area might not be able to withstand half wits jumping up & down on it. I expect Killie to go ballistic over this.

Yet another statement that sums up perfectly the vile club that they are.

They are the embodiment of so much that is abhorrent in Scottish football and society, and I want no dealings with them regards any of their players coming here on loan.

[007]

Has there been anything about what the failure of Kilmarnock's ticket system was, either this time or the other time(s), that the Rangers' statement refers to? Wonder if the "failures" were not letting forged tickets in.

Hopefully Kilmarnock come out with a response.

[PatHead]

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Has there been anything about what the failure of Kilmarnock's ticket system was, either this time or the other time(s), that the Rangers' statement refers to? Wonder if the "failures" were not letting forged tickets in.

Hopefully Kilmarnock come out with a response.

Killie did come out with a response. They said that they had never had trouble with the ticketing system before as it was the first time it had been used. Sevco were therefore telling lies, no change there! Also Sevco claimed that the gate was opened by the police. Killie say that was not the case, it was forced by Sevconians.

[007]

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Killie did come out with a response. They said that they had never had trouble with the ticketing system before as it was the first time it had been used. Sevco were therefore telling lies, no change there! Also Sevco claimed that the gate was opened by the police. Killie say that was not the case, it was forced by Sevconians.

Thanks Pathhead. I'd say "Unbelievable!" but I'm not sure it's that unbelievable at all.

[SteveHFC]

wasn't us
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...ock-rugby-park

[007]

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wasn't us
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...ock-rugby-park

It's getting comical now, "trapped outside"

All looks pretty calm in that video clip, anyone could easily get out of the crowd if they wanted to, certainly doesn't looking as if there's any crushing going on.

[Del Boy]

The video in the article totally contradicts the statement that the muppets have released. Incredible how thick they all are.

[Greenfly]

The "rightly or wrongly" bit totally devalues everything else that follows and shows immaturity as well as irresponsibility. It's like a wee boy saying "I'm sorry" with his fingers crossed. They then wonder why there's no respect towards them. Imagine the outrage if Hibs fans or anyone else had forced a gate at Ibrox. The sooner they go belly-up again, the better for civilisation.

[The Leith Dutch]

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‘Rightly or wrongly’ we forced open the gate.


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Absolutely no surprise at all.

Hun fans riot in Manchester.
Club: People need to understand our supporters spent a lot on money to get down to Manchester and then the big screen TV showing the match broke down.

Hun fans riot in Romania.
Club: People need to understand that there weren't enough turnstiles open.

Hun fans riot
Everyone else: you need to understand that sometimes things happen you don't like but grown up, decent people don't start a ****ing riot because of that.

[Iain G]

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It's getting comical now, "trapped outside"

All looks pretty calm in that video clip, anyone could easily get out of the crowd if they wanted to, certainly doesn't looking as if there's any crushing going on.

The poor supporters placed in severe danger by the nasty Killie people getting them stuck outside the ground....

[Since90+2]

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wasn't us
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...ock-rugby-park

Trapped outside on a road?

[Wee Effen Bee]

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Trapped outside on a road?

Just proves their version is totally made up guff! There was never any crush - the other video showed the Huns shouting at stewards about Hillsborough when there was a huge gap between them and the gates! Appalling revisionism on a par with Trump!
1. Inconvenienced by the entry system so aggressively intimidated stewards who earn 30 bob an hour
2. Forced a gate en masse and illegally entered a confined space in the stadium
3. Over-filled a stand - posing serious risk of injury
4. Invaded the pitch and demolished an enclosure for people with disabilities trapping them inside - one requiring medical attention
5. Complained to Kilmarnock re their inept and dangerous organisation for visiting fans

Did I miss anything?

[JeMeSouviens]

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The video in the article totally contradicts the statement that the muppets have released. Incredible how thick they all are.

Goebbels would've blushed.

[Lendo]

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Just proves their version is totally made up guff! There was never any crush - the other video showed the Huns shouting at stewards about Hillsborough when there was a huge gap between them and the gates! Appalling revisionism on a par with Trump!
1. Inconvenienced by the entry system so aggressively intimidated stewards who earn 30 bob an hour
2. Forced a gate en masse and illegally entered a confined space in the stadium
3. Over-filled a stand - posing serious risk of injury
4. Invaded the pitch and demolished an enclosure for people with disabilities trapping them inside - one requiring medical attention
5. Complained to Kilmarnock re their inept and dangerous organisation for visiting fans

Did I miss anything?

I was blocked by Club 1872 on Twitter this morning for point out all of these facts in a polite, coherent manner.

[Phil MaGlass]

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The last paragraph is a hoot, Rangers had made Kilmarnock aware over facilities for the disabled,
AYE, the facilities were not designed so ******S could dance all over the roof ya f,n twats.
beggars belief.

[jacomo]

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The "rightly or wrongly" bit totally devalues everything else that follows and shows immaturity as well as irresponsibility. It's like a wee boy saying "I'm sorry" with his fingers crossed. They then wonder why there's no respect towards them. Imagine the outrage if Hibs fans or anyone else had forced a gate at Ibrox. The sooner they go belly-up again, the better for civilisation.

Hope Ashley takes them to the cleaners.

[007]

Rangers man Ian McCall on Sportsound suggested Killie were at fault for selling more tickets than the stand holds.

Guy from the Killie Supporters Association says Rangers fans were trying to use the same QR codes twice and when he said it wasn't the first time the QR code system had been used, it was used at the Euro game. McCall conveniently focuses on a friendly dig about the Euro tie.

Killie supposedly conducting an internal investigation. Hopefully they issue a statement which includes how many times the QR codes were attempted to be reused.

[tamig]

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Rangers man Ian McCall on Sportsound suggested Killie were at fault for selling more tickets than the stand holds.

Guy from the Killie Supporters Association says Rangers fans were trying to use the same QR codes twice and when he said it wasn't the first time the QR code system had been used, it was used at the Euro game. McCall conveniently focuses on a friendly dig about the Euro tie.

Killie supposedly conducting an internal investigation. Hopefully they issue a statement which includes how many times the QR codes were attempted to be reused.

I didn’t hear the programme tonight but I like McCall and he’s usually pretty reasonable with his views. He may have played for the hun once upon a time but he’s no hun.

[oneone73]

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I didn’t hear the programme tonight but I like McCall and he’s usually pretty reasonable with his views. He may have played for the hun once upon a time but he’s no hun.

Indeed. He's a Doonhamer.