Bus drivers strike

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Boooo

You're getting the bird from LRT passengers, ya thought ye were loaded ******* 😁

[lord bunberry]

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You're getting the bird from LRT passengers, ya thought ye were loaded ******* 😁

Back to bread and water for the poor hard up taxi drivers

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Back to bread and water for the poor hard up taxi drivers

Park that taxi pre game mate and I'll buy you a pint.

[lord bunberry]

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Park that taxi pre game mate and I'll buy you a pint.

Haha I need one after this devastating news

[Scouse Hibee]

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I have it on good authority that “persons” responsible for the bullying are now no longer in place. That’s as much as I can say. This and a few other little carrots have been offered. A ballot will take place next week on whether to accept or not.

So there WAS bullying by the management?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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So there WAS bullying by the management?

And the demand was they were sacked? Wonder if they’ll withdraw the payrise offer now?

If true...

[Weegreenman]

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So there WAS bullying by the management?

Yup!

[judas]

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So what exactly are they striking for? Who has been bullied? Because by the sounds of it, the people who were bullied (on social media) have taken action against the bullies and now the bullies are the ones going on strike?

Beautifully illustrated.

The poor suspended bus drivers. Imagine not being able to target your boss through the World Wide Web and simply walk away from it.

It’s shocking really.

[lord bunberry]

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Beautifully illustrated.

The poor suspended bus drivers. Imagine not being able to target your boss through the World Wide Web and simply walk away from it.

It’s shocking really.

It was a private WhatsApp group.

[Future17]

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It was a private WhatsApp group.

Facebook I think. Closed group but nothing's private on social media.

[MSK]

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Facebook I think. Closed group but nothing's private on social media.

Im sure it was a closed group but someone in the group saved it and sent it to the guy in question who then took action against the guy who put it up.

[ronaldo7]

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He could but I suspect she has more important things to do than deal with crank calls. Message boards are more forgiving

She?

I'm sure he'll not be pleased about that. 😆

[judas]

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Facebook I think. Closed group but nothing's private on social media.

Correct

[Hibbyradge]

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You accused the bus drivers of bullying.

Are they not allowed to talk privately about their work, their colleagues and their managers?

They may have been unwise to do so in a private FB group, but they were bullying no-one.

[danhibees1875]

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You accused the bus drivers of bullying.

Are they not allowed to talk privately about their work, their colleagues and their managers?

They may have been unwise to do so in a private FB group, but they were bullying no-one.

Maybe you know more details than I do, but if there's a group of people in a company that have a "closed" group to talk badly about another member of the company then it sounds like it's bullying.

There's maybe an argument to be had over how bad the comment was, as well as how frequent it, or similar comments, was made. But these things are rarely one off incidents I would suspect and on the face of it it doesn't come across well for the employees involved.

Equally, I'm not one for people losing their jobs over little indiscretions. So regardless of what had been said/posted I think a warning and a reminder that what's put out on the internet tends to hang around, can be shared, and can come back to bite them.

[Hibbyradge]

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Maybe you know more details than I do, but if there's a group of people in a company that have a "closed" group to talk badly about another member of the company then it sounds like it's bullying.

I don't know anymore than what's in the public domain, Dan, but there must be tens of thousands of closed groups where workers talk to each other.

Folk talking or complaining to each other in a private group isn't bullying unless they collectively do something against an individual. As I understand it, in this case, the only reason it came to light was because a group member copied a message to a manager.

I'm predisposed to take the side of employees rather than management, even though I was a manager myself, but I should really know better than to take sides in a dispute I know little about.

[danhibees1875]

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I don't know anymore than what's in the public domain, Dan, but there must be tens of thousands of closed groups where workers talk to each other.

Folk talking or complaining to each other in a private group isn't bullying unless they collectively do something against an individual. As I understand it, in this case, the only reason it came to light was because a group member copied a message to a manager.

I'm predisposed to take the side of employees rather than management, even though I was a manager myself, but I should really know better than to take sides in a dispute I know little about.

I would imagine there are loads of similar groups. I'm in some from current and previous jobs to different extents (whole teams or mini cliques).

I joined my most recent team one last year, had there been a flow of negative comments against the CEO or any other employee (who has no access to it) then I would class that as a form of bullying. I don't think bullying has to be as direct as you put it against someone. It can equally be discreet. In many ways I'd rather someone openly criticised me than criticised me behind my back to everyone else and influenced their opinions on me through that group mentality.

I'd go back to the point I made where I'd rather such incidents were a lesson than a sackable offence so I think it could have been handled better. I wouldn't say I was trying to take management side over employee in this instance; just exploring a different possibility (trying to avoid the phrase "providing balance" at this point ).

[Smartie]

If you're a manager or an owner you have to accept that you're going to be grumbled about behind your back from time to time. If it gets so out of hand that it undermines the healthy functioning of the business then you might have to act, in everyone's interests.

If you act on every little bit of criticism because your ego can't handle it, you are no leader and should be doing something else.

[Fife-Hibee]

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You accused the bus drivers of bullying.

Are they not allowed to talk privately about their work, their colleagues and their managers?

They may have been unwise to do so in a private FB group, but they were bullying no-one.

It doesn't matter whether comments are targetted at the bus drivers or the upper management. Bullying is bullying. Just because you chose to take a side without knowing all of the details doesn't mean you can now claim that it wasn't bullying just because it came from the side you were initally trying to defend.

Perhaps you can also be grown up enough to apologize to me for claiming that I have some sort of mental handicap? Quite a claim to make about somebody you have never met and tantamount to the online bullying culture experienced by many.

[MSK]

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It doesn't matter whether comments are targetted at the bus drivers or the upper management. Bullying is bullying. Just because you chose to take a side without knowing all of the details doesn't mean you can now claim that it wasn't bullying just because it came from the side you were initally trying to defend.

Perhaps you can also be grown up enough to apologize to me for claiming that I have some sort of mental handicap? Quite a claim to make about somebody you have never met and tantamount to the online bullying culture experienced by many.

Im going on strike from hibs.net until hibbyradge is sacked, Im not bothered if Admins offer me a deal to stay...

[Hibbyradge]

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It doesn't matter whether comments are targetted at the bus drivers or the upper management. Bullying is bullying. Just because you chose to take a side without knowing all of the details doesn't mean you can now claim that it wasn't bullying just because it came from the side you were initally trying to defend.

Perhaps you can also be grown up enough to apologize to me for claiming that I have some sort of mental handicap? Quite a claim to make about somebody you have never met and tantamount to the online bullying culture experienced by many.

Would you show me where I said that, please.

Oh, and I haven't taken a side.

[Future17]

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Im sure it was a closed group but someone in the group saved it and sent it to the guy in question who then took action against the guy who put it up.

Yeah, as soon as you commit anything to writing online you lose control of it and risk it not remaining private. I've had to spend time in my work teaching this to a profession that should know better.

[MSK]

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Yeah, as soon as you commit anything to writing online you lose control of it and risk it not remaining private. I've had to spend time in my work teaching this to a profession that should know better.

I remember an ex colleague many years back left one hospital to join another, still within the same service provider but a different directorate. He bad mouthed a Charge Nurse on his own private facebook account, within a matter of minutes it was passed onto the current Charge, who wasn't on his friends list.

I saw it and told him to remove it but although he did he had sealed his fate, his new job didn't work out and when he tried to get back he was black balled. Despite many attempts to rejoin that directorate he was unsuccessful, even although they were short of specialised staff he never got a sniff.

Lessons to be learned I think.

[Hibbyradge]

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Perhaps you can also be grown up enough to apologize to me for claiming that I have some sort of mental handicap? Quite a claim to make about somebody you have never met and tantamount to the online bullying culture experienced by many.

Have you been able to locate the post where I said that you had some sort of mental illness yet?

[Cataplana]

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I remember an ex colleague many years back left one hospital to join another, still within the same service provider but a different directorate. He bad mouthed a Charge Nurse on his own private facebook account, within a matter of minutes it was passed onto the current Charge, who wasn't on his friends list.

I saw it and told him to remove it but although he did he had sealed his fate, his new job didn't work out and when he tried to get back he was black balled. Despite many attempts to rejoin that directorate he was unsuccessful, even although they were short of specialised staff he never got a sniff.

Lessons to be learned I think.

Remember being told by a union rep, that HR departments could effectively hack your social media accounts, and use what you say in a disciplinary.

Does anybody know if that's true, and why is it legal?

[Lester B]

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Remember being told by a union rep, that HR departments could effectively hack your social media accounts, and use what you say in a disciplinary.

Does anybody know if that's true, and why is it legal?

They can't hack as such but even something said on a Facebook page marked as friends only can be used if a screenshot is taken. Social media is a minefield. Even private messages can be used if the recipient forwards it. Rule of thumb is that regardless of what you believe in terms of privacy, you are committing something to writing, so caution always advised.

Theoretically something on a message board such as this could be used although most people do have user names which bear little relation to their real names so tracing more difficult

Work emails is another story again.

[weecounty hibby]

I have used social media in a disciplinary situation. Person was off on the sick and colleagues who were left doing the heavy lifting while he was off reported that he was seen doing pretty physical activities on Facebook, stuff he said he was incapable off. The pictures were readily available and public so we used them during the hearing. Absolutely no issues with it, checked it out with the company lawyers before we did it. If it's in the public domain then it can be used against you. Facebook etc are used regularly when recruiting as well

[Jack]

How private is the private members forum on dotnet?

[Hibbyradge]

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Perhaps you can also be grown up enough to apologize to me for claiming that I have some sort of mental handicap? Quite a claim to make about somebody you have never met and tantamount to the online bullying culture experienced by many.

Did you manage to summon enough maturity to find the post where I said you had "some sort of mental handicap" yet?

Should I continue to wait for you to do so or can I file your post under "S" again?

[Cataplana]

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I have used social media in a disciplinary situation. Person was off on the sick and colleagues who were left doing the heavy lifting while he was off reported that he was seen doing pretty physical activities on Facebook, stuff he said he was incapable off. The pictures were readily available and public so we used them during the hearing. Absolutely no issues with it, checked it out with the company lawyers before we did it. If it's in the public domain then it can be used against you. Facebook etc are used regularly when recruiting as well

Public domain is fair game. I was more concerned that they might get into private conversations and wondered if that is possible.

Personally, I posted something about S. Arabia once. I was bombed out of Facebook, and when I got back in the sign on screen was in Arabic, and the last activity on my account was showing as Riyadh.