Brexit - What Now.

[Fife-Hibee]

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The status quo must prevail.


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I hope not. The status quo's a bit **** to be honest.

[Colr]

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I hope not. The status quo's a bit **** to be honest.

Caroline's OK.

[jonty]

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Caroline's OK.

Leave my wife out of it.

(she has her moments)

[Hibrandenburg]

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Caroline's OK.

Down down with pun posts.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Down down with pun posts.

I disagree, but hey, whatever you want!

[cabbageandribs1875]

swinson new lib-dems leader

[Smartie]

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swinson new lib-dems leader

Was that the b-side on Marguerita Time?

[heretoday]

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swinson new lib-dems leader

Go get 'em Jo!

[JeMeSouviens]

Michel Barnier:

We look forward to working constructively w/ PM
@BorisJohnson
when he takes office, to facilitate the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement and achieve an orderly #Brexit. We are ready also to rework the agreed Declaration on a new partnership in line with #EUCO guidelines.

In other words, you're no getting a new deal. Reworked political declaration along the lines of offers already made by the EU is all he can get.

[RyeSloan]

Will be very interesting watching to see how Boris deals with the EU.

It was always odd having a remainer as the PM doing the dealing.

It’s rather late in the day of course but later is always better to watch the fireworks!

[lapsedhibee]

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Will be very interesting watching to see how Boris deals with the EU.

Really don't think it will. It'll be
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
Until eventually
By not doing what we wanted, the Germans are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[Colr]

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Really don't think it will. It'll be
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
The Germans will cave because they want to sell us cars
Until eventually
By not doing what we wanted, the Germans are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Will we be able to buy cars if we’re all losing our jobs?

[Hibrandenburg]

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Will we be able to buy cars if we’re all losing our jobs?

Cars will only complicate the hunting and foraging in post Brexit Britain.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Will we be able to buy cars if we’re all losing our jobs?

We'll all be in jobs. It's just the value in the wages we'll be losing.

[Fife-Hibee]

I still stand by what i've said previously. "No deal" was the plan all along.

[JeMeSouviens]

Irish-American caucus in the US congress getting organised ...

Brexiteers have argued Britain will be in a position to strike a trade deal with the United States when it leaves the European Union. But any trade agreement must be endorsed by Congress. Ms Pelosi said during a visit to London in April that there would be “no chance whatsoever” of a US-UK trade deal if the Northern Ireland peace agreement was weakened by Brexit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.3967768

[Hibrandenburg]

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Irish-American caucus in the US congress getting organised ...



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...ment-1.3967768

Ach, she's just bluffing/project fear. (Delete as necessary)

[Colr]

Boris Johnson really is uniting the country.

Ireland, that is!

[Ozyhibby]

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[Stonewall]

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I still stand by what i've said previously. "No deal" was the plan all along.

I suspect you are right.

The only thing that makes me doubt it is that Johnson’s capacity for self delusion appears to be second only to his ability delude a substantial proportion of the electorate. There is a small possibility he actually believes what he says.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I suspect you are right.

The only thing that makes me doubt it is that Johnson’s capacity for self delusion appears to be second only to his ability delude a substantial proportion of the electorate. There is a small possibility he actually believes what he says.

Same was said about Trump. Many thought he'd become more "statesman like" after he was made president. Here we are years later and he's still and intolerable gob***** and is putting much of it into policy.

[Stonewall]

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Same was said about Trump. Many thought he'd become more "statesman like" after he was made president. Here we are years later and he's still and intolerable gob***** and is putting much of it into policy.

i wonder if his calculation may be that by coming out aggressively towards the EU, they will not extend the deadline further and the little matter of getting a no deal past Parliament is then irrelevant.

He can then blame the EU and walk away, refusing to pay the 39 billion divorce bill and hold an election which he thinks he can win and neatly deal with Farage at the same time.

[Fife-Hibee]

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i wonder if his calculation may be that by coming out aggressively towards the EU, they will not extend the deadline further and the little matter of getting a no deal past Parliament is then irrelevant.

He can then blame the EU and walk away, refusing to pay the 39 billion divorce bill and hold an election which he thinks he can win and neatly deal with Farage at the same time.

The 39 billion is NOT a "divorce bill". It's finanical obligations that the UK has already legally committed themselves to, deal or no deal. Not to pay it, would be to default on those legal obligations. Not exactly the message the UK would want to be sending out to the "world wide markets" that it thinks it's going to be trading with in a hard brexit scenario.

Bojo might think he can win. But for what prize? By the time this is all over, nobody (not even Boris) will want anything to do with the leadership.

[Stonewall]

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The 39 billion is NOT a "divorce bill". It's finanical obligations that the UK has already legally committed themselves to, deal or no deal. Not to pay it, would be to default on those legal obligations. Not exactly the message the UK would want to be sending out to the "world wide markets" that it thinks it's going to be trading with in a hard brexit scenario.

Bojo might think he can win. But for what prize? By the time this is all over, nobody (not even Boris) will want anything to do with the leadership.

Even if we leave with no deal we’ll have to go back to the EU looking for a new trading arrangement and they won’t talk till we’ve paid it. Whatever you want to call it.

Not exactly a strong negotiating position is it.

The Americans will also screw us over despite all the pish in the press today.

[SHODAN]

Davidson says she won't support No Deal. Wonder if her MPs won't either.

[weecounty hibby]

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Davidson says she won't support No Deal. Wonder if her MPs won't either.

Of course they will. They have their jobs to think about. Davidson doesn't have to agree with anything Johnson says as he isn't her boss

[Ozyhibby]

I was speaking with my cousin today who works in Dublin as an accountant advising companies how to get Brexit ready and she was telling me that UK preparation is miles behind Ireland’s.
She said that, and I may have misunderstood this, that because all VAT in the EU is linked then companies in the uk buying products from EU companies can claim back the VAT. After brexit, that won’t be able to happen and all our products will become 20% more expensive for them and theirs will be 20% more expensive for us. That is massively going to restrict trade if I have understood it properly.


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[RyeSloan]

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I was speaking with my cousin today who works in Dublin as an accountant advising companies how to get Brexit ready and she was telling me that UK preparation is miles behind Ireland’s.
She said that, and I may have misunderstood this, that because all VAT in the EU is linked then companies in the uk buying products from EU companies can claim back the VAT. After brexit, that won’t be able to happen and all our products will become 20% more expensive for them and theirs will be 20% more expensive for us. That is massively going to restrict trade if I have understood it properly.


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I’m pretty sure HMRC has covered this off by stating VAT due on imports will be subject to postponed accounting which would have the same effect as the current reverse charge process.

Effectively both allow the reclaim of the VAT as an input tax and the postponed accounting method removes the cash flow issue that would occur if it was needed to be paid up front and then reclaimed.

Defo not my area of expertise though and the above is a rather hazy (and maybe inaccurate!) recollection of a very exciting article I read on this issue a wee while back.

And yes clearly I need to upgrade my reading material to something rather less dry and ever so slightly more interesting

[Ozyhibby]

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I’m pretty sure HMRC has covered this off by stating VAT due on imports will be subject to postponed accounting which would have the same effect as the current reverse charge process.

Effectively both allow the reclaim of the VAT as an input tax and the postponed accounting method removes the cash flow issue that would occur if it was needed to be paid up front and then reclaimed.

Defo not my area of expertise though and the above is a rather hazy (and maybe inaccurate!) recollection of a very exciting article I read on this issue a wee while back.

And yes clearly I need to upgrade my reading material to something rather less dry and ever so slightly more interesting

If the VAT is being claimed as an input tax will that result in lower receipt to the treasury? I’m well out my depth on tax issues but I’m not sure how HMRC could refund companies who have to pay vat in France say?


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[Hibernia&Alba]

No deal Brexit is coming; Bozo has started softening the country up for it. Export tariffs and no trade agreements in place at all, thus we will be the only country in the world trading solely by WTO terms. Then there's the hard border in Northern Ireland and the crisis it will create. Time is running out (Brexit by Halloween 'do or die') and we are looking into the abyss now.