Thoughts on Jo Swinson?

[lord bunberry]

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Glad it's not just me, it's enough to make your wallpaper curl.

I consider myself a calm easygoing guy, but a couple of hours with her and I’d be like something out of 28 days later.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Imagine being her husband having to listen to her annoying voice everyday.

I don’t believe for a minute you would make that post the other way, if she was a male and saying “imagine being his wife having to listen..:” etc

Couple of other posts recently that are similarly a bit dodgy.

It’s a hard gig being a woman in a position of relative power. And social media forums that are full of middle aged males certainly highlight that.

[James310]

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I don’t believe for a minute you would make that post the other way, if she was a male and saying “imagine being his wife having to listen..:” etc

Couple of other posts recently that are similarly a bit dodgy.

It’s a hard gig being a woman in a position of relative power. And social media forums that are full of middle aged males certainly highlight that.

100%, and the same people that would have a go as soon as anyone got 'personal' against an MP or MSP who was in a certain party. Total double standards as per.

[Moulin Yarns]

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100%, and the same people that would have a go as soon as anyone got 'personal' against an MP or MSP who was in a certain party. Total double standards as per.

Which "certain party" are you referring to?

She is a politician, and therefore has skin of leather.

[CloudSquall]

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I don’t believe for a minute you would make that post the other way, if she was a male and saying “imagine being his wife having to listen..:” etc

Couple of other posts recently that are similarly a bit dodgy.

It’s a hard gig being a woman in a position of relative power. And social media forums that are full of middle aged males certainly highlight that.

Nah, irrespective of gender her voice is annoying as ... if a man had that grating a voice it would be called out too.

[Hiber-nation]

Don't care in the slightest about her voice but she was interviewed on BBC's Daily Politics earlier and was dreadful. A lot of "well you know" when she just didn't have an answer.

[Colr]

She's called a vote of no confidence in Boris so she has more bollocks than the Obfuscating Magic Grandpa!!

SNP and Libs ARE the opposition to the Tories.

[Smartie]

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I don’t believe for a minute you would make that post the other way, if she was a male and saying “imagine being his wife having to listen..:” etc

Couple of other posts recently that are similarly a bit dodgy.

It’s a hard gig being a woman in a position of relative power. And social media forums that are full of middle aged males certainly highlight that.

I actually thought the situation we had a few years ago when Sturgeon, Dugdale and Davidson were the leaders of their respective parties was a very good, healthy one. They are all strong, intelligent women who are perfectly capable of fighting their corner. I've never understood any of the dislike for Dugdale or that people didn't seem to rate her. Her position was a difficult one but she gave it a decent shot.

I simply do not get a feeling that Swinson is formidable - the very opposite, and if she was a limp, wet fart male of no substance then I'd call him out in exactly the same way.

And FWIW there are few politicians I could stomach listening to a lot. There are also some I would enjoy listening to.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Nah, irrespective of gender her voice is annoying as ... if a man had that grating a voice it would be called out too.

It really wouldn’t though.

Female politicians get criticised by men for things they would never criticise male politicians for.

Maybe if they owned it we could have better conversations and better politics but at the moment it remains embarrassing.

I have a daughter and I’m mortified that I may have to have a conversation with her about her life chances and career chances and explain that basically, she will have to fight harder and face more inequality just because she is a woman.

It is easy to say, oh I would treat a bloke the same way. The reality is that doesn’t happen though.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I actually thought the situation we had a few years ago when Sturgeon, Dugdale and Davidson were the leaders of their respective parties was a very good, healthy one. They are all strong, intelligent women who are perfectly capable of fighting their corner. I've never understood any of the dislike for Dugdale or that people didn't seem to rate her. Her position was a difficult one but she gave it a decent shot.

I simply do not get a feeling that Swinson is formidable - the very opposite, and if she was a limp, wet fart male of no substance then I'd call him out in exactly the same way.

And FWIW there are few politicians I could stomach listening to a lot. There are also some I would enjoy listening to.

Interesting points.

When Salmond was in power I always thought he struggled against Annabel Goldie. Salmond is very much an alpha male and that simply didnt work against Goldie.

[Pretty Boy]

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It really wouldn’t though.

Female politicians get criticised by men for things they would never criticise male politicians for.

Maybe if they owned it we could have better conversations and better politics but at the moment it remains embarrassing.

I have a daughter and I’m mortified that I may have to have a conversation with her about her life chances and career chances and explain that basically, she will have to fight harder and face more inequality just because she is a woman.

It is easy to say, oh I would treat a bloke the same way. The reality is that doesn’t happen though.

It's a fair point.

Boris Johnson turned up for his 1st day in the job yesterday with his hair a mess, his tie looked like a 5 year old had tied it and his suit was so ill fitting it looked the deliberate ploy it evidently is. Yet there has been no real media critique of his appearance.

Contrast that to Theresa May who's outfits and jewelery were broken down in forensic detail. See also the furore a couple of years ago about Angela Merkel and her 'plunging neckline'.

It may be subconscious but there is undoubtedly far more attention paid to the mannerisms, personal features and clothing choices of women in politics when compared to their male counterparts.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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It really wouldn’t though.

Female politicians get criticised by men for things they would never criticise male politicians for.

Maybe if they owned it we could have better conversations and better politics but at the moment it remains embarrassing.

I have a daughter and I’m mortified that I may have to have a conversation with her about her life chances and career chances and explain that basically, she will have to fight harder and face more inequality just because she is a woman.

It is easy to say, oh I would treat a bloke the same way. The reality is that doesn’t happen though.

It really would.

You've taken this to a level of #metoo and all because posters have an opinion on her.

Her voice is as nippy as.

[Mibbes Aye]

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It really would.

You've taken this to a level of #metoo and all because posters have an opinion on her.

Her voice is as nippy as.

Your second paragraph sums it up.

#sorryforyou

[stoneyburn hibs]

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Your second paragraph sums it up.

#sorryforyou

All it sums up is you getting hysterical over a few people saying her voice is grating.

[lapsedhibee]

Thatch's voice used to annoy me in a way that no male or female politician's voice did before or has since. Though I haven't listened to Mogg too much, yet.

[Glory Lurker]

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It's a fair point.

Boris Johnson turned up for his 1st day in the job yesterday with his hair a mess, his tie looked like a 5 year old had tied it and his suit was so ill fitting it looked the deliberate ploy it evidently is. Yet there has been no real media critique of his appearance.

Contrast that to Theresa May who's outfits and jewelery were broken down in forensic detail. See also the furore a couple of years ago about Angela Merkel and her 'plunging neckline'.

It may be subconscious but there is undoubtedly far more attention paid to the mannerisms, personal features and clothing choices of women in politics when compared to their male counterparts.

That’s the MSM you’re talking about though, and it’s on a steady way out.

For what it’s worth I genuinely think my own withering eye and disliking ear are perfectly gender-balanced.

[Mibbes Aye]

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All it sums up is you getting hysterical over a few people saying her voice is grating.

If you read my original post there is nothing hysterical, merely a commentary on how females are treated differently from males both in the press and social media.

If you have something to contribute that is valid then feel free

[Hibrandenburg]

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It really wouldn’t though.

Female politicians get criticised by men for things they would never criticise male politicians for.

Maybe if they owned it we could have better conversations and better politics but at the moment it remains embarrassing.

I have a daughter and I’m mortified that I may have to have a conversation with her about her life chances and career chances and explain that basically, she will have to fight harder and face more inequality just because she is a woman.

It is easy to say, oh I would treat a bloke the same way. The reality is that doesn’t happen though.

If it makes you feel better I've said similar about Gove on here. When I hear his creepy wee creaking voice my fist subconsciously balls.

[JeMeSouviens]

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If you read my original post there is nothing hysterical, merely a commentary on how females are treated differently from males both in the press and social media.

If you have something to contribute that is valid then feel free

Commentary about Swinson’s accent is nothing compared to the dinosaur chat about Priti Patel on the other thread. Welcome to hibs.70s

Fwiw I find her accent mildly annoying in exactly the same way as Michael Gove. They have an affected voice my Gran would’ve called a bool in the mooth.

[Hibrandenburg]

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It's a fair point.

Boris Johnson turned up for his 1st day in the job yesterday with his hair a mess, his tie looked like a 5 year old had tied it and his suit was so ill fitting it looked the deliberate ploy it evidently is. Yet there has been no real media critique of his appearance.

Contrast that to Theresa May who's outfits and jewelery were broken down in forensic detail. See also the furore a couple of years ago about Angela Merkel and her 'plunging neckline'.

It may be subconscious but there is undoubtedly far more attention paid to the mannerisms, personal features and clothing choices of women in politics when compared to their male counterparts.

Whilst I do agree that woman politicians are put under the microscope for things other than their politics, I can't agree about Johnson, he's taken a lot of stick for his appearance.

[Mibbes Aye]

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If it makes you feel better I've said similar about Gove on here. When I hear his creepy wee creaking voice my fist subconsciously balls.

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Commentary about Swinson’s accent is nothing compared to the dinosaur chat about Priti Patel on the other thread. Welcome to hibs.70s

Fwiw I find her accent mildly annoying in exactly the same way as Michael Gove. They have an affected voice my Gran would’ve called a bool in the mooth.

I have had the pleasure of reading many posts by you both. Don’t always agree with you and you don’t agree with me that often, but it is usually a reasonable debate.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Commentary about Swinson’s accent is nothing compared to the dinosaur chat about Priti Patel on the other thread. Welcome to hibs.70s

Fwiw I find her accent mildly annoying in exactly the same way as Michael Gove. They have an affected voice my Gran would’ve called a bool in the mooth.

I know what you mean but I would put my mortgage, my pensions, on it all being a bit nasty about Swinson. And that is pretty rubbish.

Real lack of playing the ball, not the man or woman.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I know what you mean but I would put my mortgage, my pensions, on it all being a bit nasty about Swinson. And that is pretty rubbish.

Real lack of playing the ball, not the man or woman.

Absolutely, I was agreeing with you.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Absolutely, I was agreeing with you.

[Fife-Hibee]

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It's a fair point.

Boris Johnson turned up for his 1st day in the job yesterday with his hair a mess, his tie looked like a 5 year old had tied it and his suit was so ill fitting it looked the deliberate ploy it evidently is. Yet there has been no real media critique of his appearance.

Contrast that to Theresa May who's outfits and jewelery were broken down in forensic detail. See also the furore a couple of years ago about Angela Merkel and her 'plunging neckline'.

It may be subconscious but there is undoubtedly far more attention paid to the mannerisms, personal features and clothing choices of women in politics when compared to their male counterparts.

It's not really. Had Corbyn ever turned up in the state that Boris does, the media would have been all over it.

It's not a male/female issue. It's a left/right issue in our hard right corporate backhanded MSM.

[marinello59]

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It's not really. Had Corbyn ever turned up in the state that Boris does, the media would have been all over it.

It's not a male/female issue. It's a left/right issue in our hard right corporate backhanded MSM.

I take it Anne Widdecombe is a hard line lefty then?

[lord bunberry]

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I don’t believe for a minute you would make that post the other way, if she was a male and saying “imagine being his wife having to listen..:” etc

Couple of other posts recently that are similarly a bit dodgy.

It’s a hard gig being a woman in a position of relative power. And social media forums that are full of middle aged males certainly highlight that.

I’m a man so it would be weird for me to make the point in the way I did if she was a man. For balance a couple of hours with David Mundell would leave me with similar feelings. There’s no need to be so touchy, it was nothing to do with her sex, it was her annoying voice that I don’t like.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I take it Anne Widdecombe is a hard line lefty then?

When is Ann Widdecombe ever given grief for what she wears? She's an absolute rabid slaver as well and isn't even given a hard time for that either.

Corbyn turns up without a tie and it's first page news in the press.

[marinello59]

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When is Ann Widdecombe ever given grief for what she wears? She's an absolute rabid slaver as well and isn't even given a hard time for that either.

Corbyn turns up without a tie and it's first page news in the press.

She never received criticism for her appearance?
Did you not notice the storm she caused with her recent comments about gay science?
As an aside congratulations on your recent conversion from a card holding member of the SNP can do no wrong brigade to a full on Corbynite.
Nicola Sturgeon has commented several times about how female politicians are held to different standards, most notably after the infamous picture of herself and Theresa May’s legs. Is she wrong then?

[Fife-Hibee]

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She never received criticism for her appearance?
Did you not notice the storm she caused with her recent comments about gay science?
As an aside congratulations on your recent conversion from a card holding member of the SNP can do no wrong brigade to a full on Corbynite.
Nicola Sturgeon has commented several times about how female politicians are held to different standards, most notably after the infamous picture of herself and Theresa May’s legs. Is she wrong then?

Again, it all comes down to the right-wing politicial culture in British media. The "legs-it" controversy appeared in the Daily Mail. Who have been neither a backer of Theresa May or Nicola Sturgeon. They'll target anyone that they don't consider "right wing enough", regardless of their gender.