Summer 2019 transfer thread

***oldbutdim*** · 17-07-2019 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by The_Horde

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Long overdue replacement for Helicopter legs. And he's played with the legend that is big Emile Heskey, that'll do for me.

Who is Helicopter legs?

And why?

**B.H.F.C** · 17-07-2019 11:25 PM

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I think you should include Murray and Slivka in that. For me particularly Slivka. He has scored in big games but one of the things that got on my nerves about him last season was that lack of shoots he took at goal even though he did get in positions to do so

Not convinced Slivka will be there. And if he is, he’ll be in and out the team at best.

Murray could be capable of goals but not sure how much he’ll play.

The four I mentioned will, I think, play most weeks.

***jacomo*** · 17-07-2019 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by bingo70

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How did Aberdeen and Killie manage to survive without a midfielder with these stats?

You’re judging him on his stats but there’s more to football than stats. Mallan is a very good technical football player but from open play he’s not as good as his stats suggest.

That goal against Livingston showed what a good player he can be, he didn’t do that anywhere nearly enough from open play for me though, if he can add that to his game then great.

Do you think Mallan would have got his game for Killie or Aberdeen last season? Personally speaking I don’t think he would have.

We spend years moaning about lack of goals from midfield and then moan when we get a goal scoring midfielder.

I don’t quite know where Mallan fits in the team but we need to find a way if we can. Scott Allan doesn’t score that many but a midfield of those two plus one other could be a very good thing.

**Steven79** · 17-07-2019 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

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Not convinced Slivka will be there. And if he is, he’ll be in and out the team at best.

Murray could be capable of goals but not sure how much he’ll play.

The four I mentioned will, I think, play most weeks.

I can see him moving on once we get another midfielder in.

***Brightside*** · 17-07-2019 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by we are hibs

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Omeonga is a better footballer than Mallan.

No idea why people say things like this. They are completely different players. Mallans range of passing and dead ball ability is much better but Omeonga has much more tenacity and energy.

**B.H.F.C** · 17-07-2019 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by jacomo

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We spend years moaning about lack of goals from midfield and then moan when we get a goal scoring midfielder.

I don’t quite know where Mallan fits in the team but we need to find a way if we can. Scott Allan doesn’t score that many but a midfield of those two plus one other could be a very good thing.

Allan showed signs in his last loan spell that he was going to start chipping in with goals. And has done in pre season as well. I think he should be looking for double figures.

***Hibbyradge*** · 17-07-2019 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by oldbutdim

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Who is Helicopter legs?

And why?

I think he's referring to SJM who said when he joined AV that he ran like he was chasing a helicopter.

Helicopter legs is a new one on me though, but I once knew a lass who might have merited that nickname.

***SHODAN*** · 18-07-2019 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by bigswissstriker

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Anyone heard anything about us signing Joshua vela from Bolton?

No

**MacGruber** · 18-07-2019 08:12 AM

Still needing 3 more. Maybe Heckingbottom was saying 1 more because in his mind he is counting McNulty and Omeonga in the numbers..... straw clutch.

3 more, midfielder, striker, pacey left winger.

Omeonga, McNulty, Lewis Morgan

Love Omeonga but maybe now needing a big physical midfielder to compliment

**GloryGlory** · 18-07-2019 08:16 AM

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Still needing 3 more. Maybe Heckingbottom was saying 1 more because in his mind he is counting McNulty and Omeonga in the numbers..... straw clutch.

3 more, midfielder, striker, pacey left winger.

Omeonga, McNulty, Lewis Morgan

Love Omeonga but maybe now needing a big physical midfielder to compliment

Lewis Morgan played for Celtic last night. looks like he is in Lennon's plans - at least unless and until they get more signings in.

**brog** · 18-07-2019 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by underscore

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No idea why people say things like this. They are completely different players. Mallans range of passing and dead ball ability is much better but Omeonga has much more tenacity and energy.

That's pretty much it for me. As for those asking if Mallan would get a game for Killie or Aberdeen IMO he would be a star. Both those teams have strong, hard working but not hugely skilful midfields. Stevie could do what he does best with others doing the heavy lifting for him.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 18-07-2019 08:53 AM

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Still needing 3 more. Maybe Heckingbottom was saying 1 more because in his mind he is counting McNulty and Omeonga in the numbers..... straw clutch.

3 more, midfielder, striker, pacey left winger.

Omeonga, McNulty, Lewis Morgan

Love Omeonga but maybe now needing a big physical midfielder to compliment

Without knowing anything about Vela I do reckon from what people are saying that we now need a different type of midfielder to Omeonga. More of a player to sit in front of the back 4 required now.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 18-07-2019 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by brog

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That's pretty much it for me. As for those asking if Mallan would get a game for Killie or Aberdeen IMO he would be a star. Both those teams have strong, hard working but not hugely skilful midfields. Stevie could do what he does best with others doing the heavy lifting for him.

He definitely would get a game for them imo. Problem we have is that we don’t have anyone to do the heavy lifting at present (unless Vela is that guy). As such, Mallan is having to attempt to do it and it’s not his game.

**~~The_Horde~~** · 18-07-2019 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by oldbutdim

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Who is Helicopter legs?

And why?

SJM. Self explanatory really!

If you mean why is he the replacement, its because he too never stops running.

**GloryGlory** · 18-07-2019 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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Without knowing anything about Vela I do reckon from what people are saying that we now need a different type of midfielder to Omeonga. More of a player to sit in front of the back 4 required now.

Yes. Omeonga described himself as a high energy, box to box midfielder, which is the same description we have for Vela. Similar types, unless Hecky envisages one driving forward whilst the other sits back, with them both switching roles as required in a game.

***J-C*** · 18-07-2019 09:04 AM

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Yes. Omeonga described himself as a high energy, box to box midfielder, which is the same description we have for Vela. Similar types, unless Hecky envisages one driving forward whilst the other sits back, with them both switching roles as required in a game.

Cant have too many good players in the squad, it's a long season.

**~~The_Horde~~** · 18-07-2019 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by GloryGlory

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Yes. Omeonga described himself as a high energy, box to box midfielder, which is the same description we have for Vela. Similar types, unless Hecky envisages one driving forward whilst the other sits back, with them both switching roles as required in a game.

Omeonga is very good technically too though. Watch the way he controls the ball and glides across the pitch at times.

**Since452** · 18-07-2019 09:08 AM

Still think we need another midfielder and striker in. If we do then I'll be pretty happy

***blackpoolhibs*** · 18-07-2019 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by brog

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That's pretty much it for me. As for those asking if Mallan would get a game for Killie or Aberdeen IMO he would be a star. Both those teams have strong, hard working but not hugely skilful midfields. Stevie could do what he does best with others doing the heavy lifting for him.

Mallan needs to be creating and probing from further forward, and by playing further forward he will naturally be in positions where openings occur for him to get a shot away or get into the box more often.

Playing where he has since PH has come in does him or the team no favours, especially when he will always be compared to Mc Geouch in that deep lying position.

**tonyrougier123** · 18-07-2019 09:08 AM

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Without knowing anything about Vela I do reckon from what people are saying that we now need a different type of midfielder to Omeonga. More of a player to sit in front of the back 4 required now.

Wee steph is a must for any midfield,skillfull plenty energy good in the tackle defends supports.class!

**GloryGlory** · 18-07-2019 09:11 AM

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Cant have too many good players in the squad, it's a long season.

Yep. And if you're the high energy, running about the whole game type you need a break and a rest now and again to keep you fresh.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 18-07-2019 09:14 AM

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Wee steph is a must for any midfield,skillfull plenty energy good in the tackle defends supports.class!

I would still be more than happy to have him back but if it’s a case of one more in for CM as people are saying then I think we’d be better served by someone more defensive.

**Since452** · 18-07-2019 09:16 AM

Marciano

Gray McGregor Hanlon Stevenson

Vela

Boyle Mallan

Allan

Kamberi Doidge

Still think we need a bruiser in there. A Marvin Bartley type

**tonyrougier123** · 18-07-2019 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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I would still be more than happy to have him back but if it’s a case of one more in for CM as people are saying then I think we’d be better served by someone more defensive.

He was our midfield from feb to may imo.

I hope hibs are vigorously persuing him,even if it means shipping some out.

**ScottB** · 18-07-2019 09:19 AM

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Cant have too many good players in the squad, it's a long season.

Exactly. If our new found wealth and goal to cement a position as ‘best of the rest’ is more than just good PR speak, we need more than just a good 11.

**The Leith Dutch** · 18-07-2019 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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Mallan needs to be creating and probing from further forward, and by playing further forward he will naturally be in positions where openings occur for him to get a shot away or get into the box more often.

Playing where he has since PH has come in does him or the team no favours, especially when he will always be compared to Mc Geouch in that deep lying position.

At the root of it for me is not whether Mallan is a good player - I think he's a fabulous player.
It's what type of player he is and I think we're trying to make him into one he's not - a deep sitting centre mid - just to get him in the team.

He's one of the best ranged strikers of a ball in the league and to play him in a position that requires him to be disciplined in patrolling an area of park that is out of range for his shooting isn't a particularly smart move imo - it relies on us getting free kicks to utilise that strength.

The ultimate problem is that I really struggle to find a formation that fits both Allan and Mallan in the same XI.
That becomes impossible if we're also playing two wide attackers.

**GreenCastle** · 18-07-2019 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Leith Dutch

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At the root of it for me is not whether Mallan is a good player - I think he's a fabulous player.
It's what type of player he is and I think we're trying to make him into one he's not - a deep sitting centre mid - just to get him in the team.

He's one of the best ranged strikers of a ball in the league and to play him in a position that requires him to be disciplined in patrolling an area of park that is out of range for his shooting isn't a particularly smart move imo - it relies on us getting free kicks to utilise that strength.

The ultimate problem is that I really struggle to find a formation that fits both Allan and Mallan in the same XI.
That becomes impossible if we're also playing two wide attackers.

Agreed.

Seems it will be midfield triangle of..

Vela

Allan Mallan

Boyle Flo or Doidge Horgan

**The Leith Dutch** · 18-07-2019 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Since452

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Marciano

Gray McGregor Hanlon Stevenson

Vela

Boyle Mallan

Allan

Kamberi Doidge

Still think we need a bruiser in there. A Marvin Bartley type

I'm starting to become concerned that we're doing what we did last year - signing good players but not having a proper team in there.
Not sure it has to be a bruiser but I think you're right that we definitely need someone else in midfield who's job is a little less glamourous.

There are 5 players in that team who will struggle to win the ball back and who we signed primarily to attack the opposition.
All of them are good shouts for the team and it doesn't include Horgan who's been one of the most consistent performers of late.

I think we have good players but an unbalanced squad.
Strength in depth is essential but it needs to be across the board.
Injuries to Vela, Stevenson or Gray and we'd be in trouble.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 18-07-2019 09:40 AM

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At the root of it for me is not whether Mallan is a good player - I think he's a fabulous player.
It's what type of player he is and I think we're trying to make him into one he's not - a deep sitting centre mid - just to get him in the team.

He's one of the best ranged strikers of a ball in the league and to play him in a position that requires him to be disciplined in patrolling an area of park that is out of range for his shooting isn't a particularly smart move imo - it relies on us getting free kicks to utilise that strength.

The ultimate problem is that I really struggle to find a formation that fits both Allan and Mallan in the same XI.
That becomes impossible if we're also playing two wide attackers.

That’s the way I see it. Short of finding a McGinn-esque centre mid I don’t see any way that Mallan and Allan can form 2/3rds of a midfield. Not because they’re not good players but because they’re not suited to playing a defensive role. Throw in a couple of wingers aswell and it’s putting a massive responsibility on the shoulders of the deeper midfielder.