Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[JeMeSouviens]

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How do you explain the Conservatives winning most Westminster seats in Scotland before 1955?

At the risk of being a stuck record, that was the Scottish Unionist party which had its roots in the 19th century Liberals and was distinctively Scottish (and Presbyterian and anti-Catholic as well which wasn't insignificant). It wasn't absorbed into the UK Conservative party until the 60s and their vote has been in decline practically ever since, with a slight upturn in recent years.

Their has been agitation of some sort for Scottish self government in one form or another since the formation of the Union. From the Jacobites* through the Radicals, the Liberal home rulers, Independent Labour home rulers, the Scots covenant of the 50s and eventually the rise of the SNP.

Independence might be the mainstream movement of Scottish self government now, but only because the UK has missed literally centuries of opportunities to create some sort of federal/confederal state that allowed us complete domestic self governance.


* primarily an uprising of dynastic loyalty to the Stewarts but used the promise of dissolving the Union to build support in Scotland.

[Ozyhibby]

Our Prime minister in waiting.




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[Fife-Hibee]

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Our Prime minister in waiting.

Somebody should tell Boris that we're fine with that. In fact, we'll just stop paying national insurance contributions and UK taxes in general. We'll stop paying our share towards servicing UK Government debt. Afterall, they won't be spending their borrowings on us anymore.

We'll just leave them to it.

[JeMeSouviens]

Hunt gaining ground on ****:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...publics-prefer

BoJo still ahead among the Tory selectorate but will they ditch him if Hunt starts to look a better bet with the wider electorate?

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Hunt gaining ground on ****:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...publics-prefer

BoJo still ahead among the Tory selectorate but will they ditch him if Hunt starts to look a better bet with the wider electorate?

Though the Conservative Party has historically been ruthless with its leaders, in order to win elections, they have been fixated on Brexit for decades, and Hunt was a remainer, meaning he's a traitor to the hardcore. Bozo will win easily.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Hunt gaining ground on ****:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...publics-prefer

BoJo still ahead among the Tory selectorate but will they ditch him if Hunt starts to look a better bet with the wider electorate?

36% think Boris has a "likable personality".

[lord bunberry]

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36% think Boris has a "likable personality".

He has got a likeable personality. He plays the harmless bumbling fool to perfection. If he wasn’t a politician it would be quite plausible that the fact he is a lying racist ******* wouldn’t even have come to light. Politics has become more and more a popularity contest, it’s quite ironic that the leadership campaign is competing with love island for tv ratings. The difference between the two contests is that love island is voted on by fans who fantasise about sleeping with the winner and the Tory leadership election is voted on by people who probably have slept with the winner.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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He has got a likeable personality. He plays the harmless bumbling fool to perfection. If he wasn’t a politician it would be quite plausible that the fact he is a lying racist ******* wouldn’t even have come to light. Politics has become more and more a popularity contest, it’s quite ironic that the leadership campaign is competing with love island for tv ratings. The difference between the two contests is that love island is voted on by fans who fantasise about sleeping with the winner and the Tory leadership election is voted on by people who probably have slept with the winner.

Go Boris.

[Jack]

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Though the Conservative Party has historically been ruthless with its leaders, in order to win elections, they have been fixated on Brexit for decades, and Hunt was a remainer, meaning he's a traitor to the hardcore. Bozo will win easily.

Boris sat on the fence until about 2 days before the vote. He has a knack of sitting on the fence till the last minute. He doesn't have an opinion for more than 12 seconds until he sees the reaction from the crowd.

More twists and turns than a snake on a fire pit.

[southsider]

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Boris sat on the fence until about 2 days before the vote. He has a knack of sitting on the fence till the last minute. He doesn't have an opinion for more than 12 seconds until he sees the reaction from the crowd.

More twists and turns than a snake on a fire pit.

He is that twisted he sleeps in a corkscrew bed !

[Moulin Yarns]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/26/mesmerising-boris-johnsons-bizarre-model-buses-claim-raises-eyebrows



Conspiracy theorist think it is to deflect from the other bus, and it has worked if you google Boris bus, the more likely reason is a bus went past the window and there was a crate of wine in the corner of the room

[stoneyburn hibs]

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If not already posted


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/26/mesmerising-boris-johnsons-bizarre-model-buses-claim-raises-eyebrows



Conspiracy theorist think it is to deflect from the other bus, and it has worked if you google Boris bus, the more likely reason is a bus went past the window and there was a crate of wine in the corner of the room

I wonder if he puts the £350m stickers on his model buses.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Boris sat on the fence until about 2 days before the vote. He has a knack of sitting on the fence till the last minute. He doesn't have an opinion for more than 12 seconds until he sees the reaction from the crowd.

More twists and turns than a snake on a fire pit.

He's ruthlessly ambitious for sure. His calculation is always based upon what will advance his career and get him into Downing Street. Principle doesn't come into it.

[Fife-Hibee]

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We're doomed I tell you!

[Fife-Hibee]

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We're doomed I tell you!

No mention of this astonishing blunder in today's newspapers or any sign of it being repeated on Sky News or shown by or talked about on the BBC. Yet we've seen politicians on the left make more understandable blunders and they've been absolutely hounded by the media for days/weeks after.

[lapsedhibee]

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No mention of this astonishing blunder in today's newspapers or any sign of it being repeated on Sky News or shown by or talked about on the BBC. Yet we've seen politicians on the left make more understandable blunders and they've been absolutely hounded by the media for days/weeks after.

It's not an astonishing blunder at all. Given that he's generally clueless about everything, he had a reasonable stab at one of the figures. If he'd said there was a separate rate for picaninnies, that would have been an astonishing blunder.

[Fife-Hibee]

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It's not an astonishing blunder at all. Given that he's generally clueless about everything, he had a reasonable stab at one of the figures. If he'd said there was a separate rate for picaninnies, that would have been an astonishing blunder.

A reasonable stab? He said it was £10 p/h. Then when he was told that it was in fact only £8.21, he claimed to be talking about Londons living wage figure instead..... which to anybody that knows, is still £8.21 p/h....

The difference between £8.21 and £10.00 an hour may mean nothing to somebody like him or the well offers in our society. But try telling people on £8.21 an hour that it was a "reasonable stab".

[JeMeSouviens]

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It's not an astonishing blunder at all. Given that he's generally clueless about everything, he had a reasonable stab at one of the figures. If he'd said there was a separate rate for picaninnies, that would have been an astonishing blunder.

I'm fairly astonished he knew there was such a thing.

[JeMeSouviens]

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A reasonable stab? He said it was £10 p/h. Then when he was told that it was in fact only £8.21, he claimed to be talking about Londons living wage figure instead..... which to anybody that knows, is still £8.21 p/h....

The difference between £8.21 and £10.00 an hour may mean nothing to somebody like him or the well offers in our society. But try telling people on £8.21 an hour that it was a "reasonable stab".

Tories are a shower of ****s who only care about rich people and would happily kick the poor daily.

WHO KNEW????????

[Fife-Hibee]

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I'm fairly astonished he knew there was such a thing.

It's worrying that he is aware of it. I'm sure he'll be looking to "correct" it when he gets the chance.

[lapsedhibee]

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A reasonable stab? He said it was £10 p/h. Then when he was told that it was in fact only £8.21, he claimed to be talking about Londons living wage figure instead..... which to anybody that knows, is still £8.21 p/h....

The difference between £8.21 and £10.00 an hour may mean nothing to somebody like him or the well offers in our society. But try telling people on £8.21 an hour that it was a "reasonable stab".

But he didn't say it was £10 an hour. He said it was about £10 an hour.

Shirley the more important thing about hourly rates is that some people earn £8 or £10 an hour while others (including him) earn 40, 50 or 100 times that amount an hour. Bojoke should be getting slaughtered for wanting to increase that disparity by giving the latter group tax cuts, not the fact that he doesn't know the precise figures for this year.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Tories are a shower of ****s who only care about rich people and would happily kick the poor daily.

WHO KNEW????????

Yes, but my point still stands. We see politicians on the left who aren't even in power being hounded by the media for making mistakes on more intricate figures. Yet here we are with the future PM who doesn't even know what the national living wage is and he's just given a free pass on it.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Yes, but my point still stands. We see politicians on the left who aren't even in power being hounded by the media for making mistakes on more intricate figures. Yet here we are with the future PM who doesn't even know what the national living wage is and he's just given a free pass on it.

It's almost as if the right own the media.

[JeMeSouviens]

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It's worrying that he is aware of it. I'm sure he'll be looking to "correct" it when he gets the chance.

Yes, that's true. It's practically the only silver lining to Brexit that it's stopped the Tories getting up to much else.

[speedy_gonzales]

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Yes, but my point still stands. We see politicians on the left who aren't even in power being hounded by the media for making mistakes on more intricate figures. Yet here we are with the future PM who doesn't even know what the national living wage is and he's just given a free pass on it.

Pints of milk apparently. Whenever journalists interview politicians (or celebs for that matter) on living costs they always ask the cost of a pint of milk!

[Sylar]

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A reasonable stab? He said it was £10 p/h. Then when he was told that it was in fact only £8.21, he claimed to be talking about Londons living wage figure instead..... which to anybody that knows, is still £8.21 p/h....

The difference between £8.21 and £10.00 an hour may mean nothing to somebody like him or the well offers in our society. But try telling people on £8.21 an hour that it was a "reasonable stab".

Why would it shock you, that a London based MP (and former mayor of London) may have the value of the London Living Wage somewhere in his head (which is £10.55 p/h) more readily than the NLW? I wasn't entirely sure of the NLW - as you say, if you know it, you know it - anyone on a good salary, and who doesn't need to employ workers and pay them the NLW probably wouldn't know it.

I get that he's a politician, about to enter the fray as PM (most likely), but I'd wager there are a few on all sides of the HoC that couldn't answer you to the penny what it was.

I deplore Boris and most of what he stands for, but this is a poor attempt at point scoring.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Why would it shock you, that a London based MP (and former mayor of London) may have the value of the London Living Wage somewhere in his head (which is £10.55 p/h) more readily than the NLW? I wasn't entirely sure of the NLW - as you say, if you know it, you know it - anyone on a good salary, and who doesn't need to employ workers and pay them the NLW probably wouldn't know it.

I get that he's a politician, about to enter the fray as PM (most likely), but I'd wager there are a few on all sides of the HoC that couldn't answer you to the penny what it was.

I deplore Boris and most of what he stands for, but this is a poor attempt at point scoring.

The national living wage is £8.21 in London, the same as everywhere else in the UK. Remember, the national living wage is simply a rebranding of the minimum wage. London does have a sort of secondary living wage system that "recommends" businesses pay £10.55 p/h. But businesses in London are under no legal obligation to pay it and those working entry level jobs in the public sector in London only get paid £8.21 an hour as the UK Government doesn't endorse the recommended London living wage.

Boris Johnson as future PM should have been fully aware of this. He is completely out of his depth and hasn't even stepped foot in office yet.

[Bristolhibby]

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Pints of milk apparently. Whenever journalists interview politicians (or celebs for that matter) on living costs they always ask the cost of a pint of milk!

So why aren’t politicians not briefed on the national living wage and the price of milk?

Have it memorised!

Incidentally, I have no idea what a pint of milk is or until the other day what the living wage level was.

But then, I’m not vying to be Prime Minister.

J

[lapsedhibee]

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So why aren’t politicians not briefed on the national living wage and the price of milk?

Have it memorised!

Incidentally, I have no idea what a pint of milk is or until the other day what the living wage level was.

But then, I’m not vying to be Prime Minister.

J

It's a quantity of nutritional fluid that humans steal from a potential calf.

[Bristolhibby]

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It's a quantity of nutritional fluid that humans steal from a potential calf.

Haha