Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Hibrandenburg]

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Why is Johnson so popular?

Folk talk about him being charismatic etc but every time I've seen him he stumbles and bumbles his way through and often contradicts what he's said in the past

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There's a wave of anti intellectualism sweeping the world again. It happens every so often and stupid people like to be surrounded by stupid people because then stupid becomes normal. History is full of intelligent rogues who have taken advantage of this and it normally doesn't end well.

[cabbageandribs1875]

£15 on Jeremy Hunt(and NOT the other *unt) @7/2 :)

[Fife-Hibee]

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£15 on Jeremy Hunt(and NOT the other *unt) @7/2 :)

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Hunt saying he'll hold the SNP to account over their poor record on the NHS.

[James310]

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Hunt saying he'll hold the SNP to account over their poor record on the NHS.

Quite right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-45969866


"The NHS in Scotland is not financially sustainable and its performance has continued to decline, the public spending watchdog has warned.

Audit Scotland said health boards were "struggling to break even" and none had met all of the key national targets - with NHS Lothian not meeting any.

It highlighted increasing demand on NHS services, and rising waiting lists."

Maybe Audit Scotland are wrong?

[weecounty hibby]

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Quite right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-45969866


"The NHS in Scotland is not financially sustainable and its performance has continued to decline, the public spending watchdog has warned.

Audit Scotland said health boards were "struggling to break even" and none had met all of the key national targets - with NHS Lothian not meeting any.

It highlighted increasing demand on NHS services, and rising waiting lists."

Maybe Audit Scotland are wrong?

No they aren't, and I don't think that even the biggest SNP supporter would say it couldn't be better. But really an English MP saying he will hold the SNP to account for the Scottish NHS, surely he would be better looking at his own government first to see if they could get Englands NHS up to the same standard

[Fife-Hibee]

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Quite right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-45969866


"The NHS in Scotland is not financially sustainable and its performance has continued to decline, the public spending watchdog has warned.

Audit Scotland said health boards were "struggling to break even" and none had met all of the key national targets - with NHS Lothian not meeting any.

It highlighted increasing demand on NHS services, and rising waiting lists."

Maybe Audit Scotland are wrong?

Geez, if that's how bad the best funded NHS in the UK is doing, then I dread to think how poorly they're doing elsewhere.

Oh wait, this is 2019 and we have internet. So we can actually take a look - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Hunt#NHS_funding

[James310]

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No they aren't, and I don't think that even the biggest SNP supporter would say it couldn't be better. But really an English MP saying he will hold the SNP to account for the Scottish NHS, surely he would be better looking at his own government first to see if they could get Englands NHS up to the same standard

It's the same old arguments, because England are worse that somehow makes our performance where we miss pretty much all the targets acceptable.

I am sure there are plenty on here who would say the SNP actually could not do better because they will blame Westminster or setting the targets too high, I think that was the last excuse when this was discussed previously.

Edit: As predicted, see reply above.

[weecounty hibby]

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It's the same old arguments, because England are worse that somehow makes our performance where we miss pretty much all the targets acceptable.

I am sure there are plenty on here who would say the SNP actually could not do better because they will blame Westminster or setting the targets too high, I think that was the last excuse when this was discussed previously.

Not what I said at all and I could have out money on you coming back like that, you are do predictable. I actually said no one could argue that in Scotland we should be doing better but it is rather hypocritical of an English Tory to be saying he is going to hold SNP to account when England is performing worse. Perhaps he should start the account holding closer to home

[James310]

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Not what I said at all and I could have out money on you coming back like that, you are do predictable. I actually said no one could argue that in Scotland we should be doing better but it is rather hypocritical of an English Tory to be saying he is going to hold SNP to account when England is performing worse. Perhaps he should start the account holding closer to home

You will find lots on here that will argue that actually it could not be any better.

I am surprised you are so easily shocked by a politician being somewhat hypocritical, it's a regular occurrence from politicians across all parties.

[weecounty hibby]

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You will find lots on here that will argue that actually it could not be any better.

I am surprised you are so easily shocked by a politician being somewhat hypocritical, it's a regular occurrence from politicians across all parties.

Once again a predictable response from you. Where did I say I was shocked? He is pandering to the little Englanders in his party while deflecting away from his own governments poor record on the NHS. He will show those uppity Jocks who's boss if he gets to be PM. No shocks, no surprises just full on Tory as usual

[Callum_62]

Coming from the former health secretary that is universally hated by doctors and nurses across the NHS its a bit rich.

Doesn't Scotland have the best performing NHS within the UK?

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[ronaldo7]

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Coming from the former health secretary that is universally hated by doctors and nurses across the NHS its a bit rich.

Doesn't Scotland have the best performing NHS within the UK?

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The imperial masters have arrived in jock land for a three day visit.

Irn bru selfie...check
Get on with the day job, Nicola, yer NHS is pish...check
Reminder of my Scottish roots...check
Get back in yer box and bow to the Empire...check

Meanwhile, England is up **** creek without a paddle.

[Fife-Hibee]

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It's the same old arguments, because England are worse that somehow makes our performance where we miss pretty much all the targets acceptable.

It's not an old argument. You just misunderstand it. We recognize the NHS in Scotland isn't doing great just now. We also recognize that it is a result of a UK Government dragging us down with them.

[Fife-Hibee]

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You will find lots on here that will argue that actually it could not be any better.

No you won't.

[neil7908]

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There's a wave of anti intellectualism sweeping the world again. It happens every so often and stupid people like to be surrounded by stupid people because then stupid becomes normal. History is full of intelligent rogues who have taken advantage of this and it normally doesn't end well.

Thing is, he isn't actually popular. His approval ratings nationally are terrible. He's got this far by being all things to all people but it's now wearing thin - he ran as Mayor of London being a moderate Tory and a bit of a joke.

Then he switched to a hard Brexiter when he saw the way the wind was blowing. He's like Trump in that respect.

Even in the running for PM he's been getting away with convincing some Tory MPs that he's a 'One Nation' moderate looking to genuinely renegotiate with the EU but others seem to think he'll give them the hard Brexit they lust for.

He'll be found out incredibly quickly.

[degenerated]

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Meanwhile, England is up **** creek without a paddle.

Never mind the paddle, they haven't even got a canoe

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[StevieC]

Jeremy Hunt getting interviewed this morning delivered an interesting phrase (whilst talking about delivering a “no deal” Brexit) ...

“unlocking the potential of our country”

Putting aside the fact he said “country” instead of “nation” ..

Isn’t that phrase as equally relevant to Scotland as it is to the UK?

[ronaldo7]

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You will find lots on here that will argue that actually it could not be any better.

I am surprised you are so easily shocked by a politician being somewhat hypocritical, it's a regular occurrence from politicians across all parties.

You're constantly on here asking for proof of this, and that. Can you provide proof for your first sentence please.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/jude5456/status/...050121729?s=09

This is just ridiculous. The UK is in a mental place right now

This is supposedly the less extreme choice for PM

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[Bostonhibby]

Not sure it's going to make me any happier about whoever our next PM is, but one rampant Tory I know revealed over a few beers that he's no intention of voting for Boris simply because he's the MP's choice and the MP's failed to deliver the public's choice of Brexit.

They're mad as a box of frogs and mostly disconnected from worlds other than their own.

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[Ozyhibby]

Ken Clarke has now said he will vote to bring down the govt if they go for no deal. Almost certainly they have the numbers for it now.


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[heretoday]

I'm reading Johnson's biography and it's clear that he has been addicted to winning ever since birth but having won he gets bored and moves on.

Whether it's winning the affections of some posh lady or winning top jobs in the press or government, it makes little difference. If he does become PM I doubt he'll last long. Let's hope he doesn't do anything serious in that time.

His record suggests he'll do sod all of substance.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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mostly disconnected from worlds other than their own.

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In my experience that applies to most people, myself included.

[G B Young]

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We have a guy (certainly not a man) who had the Police at his door for 'beating up his partner'. This piece of sh*t is ready to be the next PM of the UK. It's just unthinkable that any right minded person would vote for this clown. What, imho, is needed a London free, Pro-independence Labour Party who can deliver what the people need. Proper pensions, a totally state run NHS and properly managed Schools. Abolishing the charity status of fee-paying schools would also be a step in the right direction.

That is not why the police were at his door. Had that been the reason then it's safe to say they wouldn't have been satisfied there was nothing to concern them.

Boris would not be my choice as PM, but when you consider that arguably Scotland's most high profile politician of the last few decades and our former First Minister has been charged with multiple counts of sexual assault and two of attempted rape (I am fully aware, I should add, that he remains innocent until proven guilty) then perhaps Johnson's perceived character flaws are overstated.

[Hibrandenburg]

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That is not why the police were at his door. Had that been the reason then it's safe to say they wouldn't have been satisfied there was nothing to concern them.

Boris would not be my choice as PM, but when you consider that arguably Scotland's most high profile politician of the last few decades and our former First Minister has been charged with multiple counts of sexual assault and two of attempted rape (I am fully aware, I should add, that he remains innocent until proven guilty) then perhaps Johnson's perceived character flaws are overstated.

Nope, if guilty they're both ****s and should be nowhere near the top job.

[heretoday]

It's a thousand pities Boris won't go on Sky TV for their debate. I bet Kay Burley could hit the target with a few darts.

[G B Young]

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Nope, if guilty they're both ****s and should be nowhere near the top job.

Guilty of what in Johnson's case?

[Fife-Hibee]

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Guilty of what in Johnson's case?

What is he not guilty of?

This isn't even half of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...19-5?r=US&IR=T

[James310]

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Nope, if guilty they're both ****s and should be nowhere near the top job.

Can you clarify, are you suggesting a guilty Alex Salmond is equivalent to the current gaffe prone and buffoon Boris Johnson?