Brexit - What Now.

[JeMeSouviens]

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He is exactly what they need and if they did go for him and he manages some sort of brexit deal then he would wipe the floor with Corbyn.
It’s just the sort of thing the Tories always manage to do so maybe he does stand a chance. His popularity will grow over the next few weeks as he gets more air time and Tories start to think about electability as well as brexit. They have a keen sense of self preservation the Tories.


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They used to before they went mad over Europe. Not sure the self preservation instinct is very strong any more.

[Ozyhibby]

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They used to before they went mad over Europe. Not sure the self preservation instinct is very strong any more.

True, someone like him would be no good for the SNP anyway. Far better if Boris is in charge.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Corbyn interviewed today in Dublin. Still wants to negotiate his fantasy a la carte Brexit and is refusing to say if Remain would be on the ballot for a confirmatory ref.

[SHODAN]

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Corbyn interviewed today in Dublin. Still wants to negotiate his fantasy a la carte Brexit and is refusing to say if Remain would be on the ballot for a confirmatory ref.

Oh my god get him to ****, he's useless.

[Hibrandenburg]

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He is exactly what they need and if they did go for him and he manages some sort of brexit deal then he would wipe the floor with Corbyn.
It’s just the sort of thing the Tories always manage to do so maybe he does stand a chance. His popularity will grow over the next few weeks as he gets more air time and Tories start to think about electability as well as brexit. They have a keen sense of self preservation the Tories.


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After May, the Tories will only accept a Brexiteer who is willing to go no deal.

[Hibbyradge]

This is what we're up against :

Len McCluskey Warns Corbyn: Copying Lib Dems On Brexit Would Be ‘Electoral Suicide’

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0e8085e37bbf7

[Fife-Hibee]

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This is what we're up against :

Len McCluskey Warns Corbyn: Copying Lib Dems On Brexit Would Be ‘Electoral Suicide’

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0e8085e37bbf7

He's right. It's too late for Labour now. They have lost the remain vote to the Lib Dems for the foreseeable future. However, they have no chance of gaining the leave vote either.

As a "tartan tory" I must say, i'm rather delighted with these turn of events.

[Ozyhibby]

A Tory who understands.


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[Hibbyradge]

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As a "tartan tory" I must say, i'm rather delighted with these turn of events.

No doubt you are.

'Mon the Tories.

[Fife-Hibee]

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No doubt you are.

'Mon the Tories.

[JeMeSouviens]

Result from the Peterborough by-election:

Lab 30.9% (-17.2)
Brex 28.9% (n/a)
Con 21.4% (-25.5)
Lib 12.3% (+8.9)
Grn 3.1% (+1.3)


Pretty much confirms what recent polling has shown. Tories absolutely ****ed by Farage, Labour losing a good chunk from both Leave and Remain sides but more from Remain.

If nothing much changed between now and a GE, FPTP would probably deliver a Lab majority but it's extremely volatile. The Libs were absolute no-hopers here, where they are much closer to Lab they may get a much bigger boost.

[JeMeSouviens]

From Daily Mirror pol ed Pippa Crerar:

BREAKING: Labour has tabled a cross-party motion to prevent a No Deal Brexit. Would hand control of Parliamentary agenda to MPs on Tuesday 25th June. Gives them mechanism to stop UK crashing out.

[Callum_62]

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From Daily Mirror pol ed Pippa Crerar:

Couldn't they have just supported the Cherry amendment?

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[JeMeSouviens]

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Couldn't they have just supported the Cherry amendment?

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Motion defeated by 11 votes. ****.

[Callum_62]

Absolutely topper. I love Westminster

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[lapsedhibee]

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Absolutely topper. I love Westminster

Ach, there were more laughs in the Bill Murray/Andie MacDowell version.

[G B Young]

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Motion defeated by 11 votes. ****.

That's a sore one for Labour. Corbyn's soor puss was priceless when the result was read out. 'Resentment rising off him like steam' as the braying Tories celebrated in front of him

[marinello59]

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That's a sore one for Labour. Corbyn's soor puss was priceless when the result was read out. 'Resentment rising off him like steam' s the braying Tories celebrated in front of him

Aye, a no deal Brexit is hilarious. It’s far more important that Tory MPs protect their careers.

[JeMeSouviens]

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That's a sore one for Labour. Corbyn's soor puss was priceless when the result was read out. 'Resentment rising off him like steam' as the braying Tories celebrated in front of him

It's a sore one for everybody that doesn't want a recession, hundreds of thousands of job losses and quite probably people actually dying.

What a wheeze, eh?

[Callum_62]

Don't really know why anyone would find our predicament we are in as hilarious

The govts own analysis paints a very bleak picture - what's to celebrate by keeping that as a possible option?

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[Smartie]

Without wanting to defend the Tories, or to pretend that a no-deal Brexit would be anything other than catastrophic.........

Do you not undermine your own bargaining position by taking "no deal" off the table?

If you go in only being prepared to have "a deal" then you get whichever deal is on offer, without having the ability to tell the other side to F off, this isn't remotely in our interests.

The delusion of course is that there is a better deal to be had, just as long as we had the right people doing the bargaining. There isn't, the EU have offered as much as they should be reasonably expected to without undermining their own existence.


I remain absolutely in favour of remaining - no deal we get will beat what we have. I am also of the opinion though that "no deal" is better than a "crap deal" which seems to be the only type of deal that is on offer.

It's a shame that so many people in the UK would prefer a crap deal to a good one. It actually is that simple.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Without wanting to defend the Tories, or to pretend that a no-deal Brexit would be anything other than catastrophic.........

Do you not undermine your own bargaining position by taking "no deal" off the table?

If you go in only being prepared to have "a deal" then you get whichever deal is on offer, without having the ability to tell the other side to F off, this isn't remotely in our interests.

The delusion of course is that there is a better deal to be had, just as long as we had the right people doing the bargaining. There isn't, the EU have offered as much as they should be reasonably expected to without undermining their own existence.


I remain absolutely in favour of remaining - no deal we get will beat what we have. I am also of the opinion though that "no deal" is better than a "crap deal" which seems to be the only type of deal that is on offer.

It's a shame that so many people in the UK would prefer a crap deal to a good one. It actually is that simple.

Not really. If you went to sell your car and didn't like the deal, you'd keep it and drive it home. You wouldn't crash it into the nearest tree and then walk.

[Callum_62]

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Without wanting to defend the Tories, or to pretend that a no-deal Brexit would be anything other than catastrophic.........

Do you not undermine your own bargaining position by taking "no deal" off the table?

If you go in only being prepared to have "a deal" then you get whichever deal is on offer, without having the ability to tell the other side to F off, this isn't remotely in our interests.

The delusion of course is that there is a better deal to be had, just as long as we had the right people doing the bargaining. There isn't, the EU have offered as much as they should be reasonably expected to without undermining their own existence.


I remain absolutely in favour of remaining - no deal we get will beat what we have. I am also of the opinion though that "no deal" is better than a "crap deal" which seems to be the only type of deal that is on offer.

It's a shame that so many people in the UK would prefer a crap deal to a good one. It actually is that simple.

A crap deal is the best on offer due to our own govts red lines

A Govt that knows the terrible economic impact on its people should not persue that route at all


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[JeMeSouviens]

8 Lab rebs + 13 abstentions
10 Tory rebs

They think they'll get another chance later. They better be right.

[G B Young]

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Aye, a no deal Brexit is hilarious. It’s far more important that Tory MPs protect their careers.

I wasn't really commenting on the issue at stake, it was more a point about the all round inability of Corbyn to land any kind of telling blow on the most fractured Tory party and shambolic government of recent times. He'd have been quietly confident of pushing that motion through today but has been undone by his own MPs.

[Smartie]

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Not really. If you went to sell your car and didn't like the deal, you'd keep it and drive it home. You wouldn't crash it into the nearest tree and then walk.

I was thinking more about walking into a shop to buy a bag of crisps. If you take the option of walking out of the shop without the crisps off the table then are you not obliged to give the shop owner whatever they want for the crisps?

In your case, is keeping the car and driving it home not the "no deal" equivalent?

[JeMeSouviens]

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I was thinking more about walking into a shop to buy a bag of crisps. If you take the option of walking out of the shop without the crisps off the table then are you not obliged to give the shop owner whatever they want for the crisps?

In your case, is keeping the car and driving it home not the "no deal" equivalent?

No, reverting to the status quo is remain.

[Ozyhibby]

25 Labour mps abstained or voted against the whip last night.


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[G B Young]

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25 Labour mps abstained or voted against the whip last night.


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Presumably most represent leave voting constituencies and, rightly in my view, feel that they were elected to represent the views of those who put them in parliament rather than follow the ever shifting stance that their party takes on Brexit.

[lapsedhibee]

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Presumably most represent leave voting constituencies and, rightly in my view, feel that they were elected to represent the views of those who put them in parliament rather than follow the ever shifting stance that their party takes on Brexit.

I think they are elected to represent their constituents' interests, rather than their views. That's how a Tory MP can represent a Labour voter, and vice versa.