Summer 2019 transfer thread

[hibbydad]

And a huge fall in income I am going to the father's day bash but the way they have been pushing it suggests that is not being well supported either

[green day]

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No it was probably the banking crisis. No way could RBS etc pump money into football sponsorship when they’d just been bailed out by the government. That plus a general downturn in the economy. Companies couldn’t justify the outlay anymore. When we were there a few weeks back it was mostly private parties celebrating birthdays etc. that we’re there. A big change from days gone by.

Not banking, but I used to work for a big pension provider in Edinburgh, and think you are right that Edinburgh being quite "Finance heavy" is now a bit of a hindrance.

When there I was lucky enough to be in a role where I offering corporate hospitality on a pretty big scale, and in that particular industry the regulation relating to "inducements" hit hard (rightly, tbh).

Some people took IFAs out to football, rugby, tennis, racing etc etc - loads of bevvy and food = loads spent.

However these days you can hardly buy someone a sandwich and it all needs to be written down and justified.

We could still take "end customers" out but in many cases they also had governance policies which meant they couldnt accept hospitality from a vendor - again all for good reason.

We used to sponsor tennis on a massive scale, but when that came to an end, so did the £millions per year spend on hospitality.

To come round to the Aberdeen comparison, they have a lot of Oil Industry sponsors, and I know from experience of working with one of the largest that they have absolutely no problem in giving and receiving big ticket hospitality

[Renfrew_Hibby]

It may have been the case that corporate sponsorship has taken a huge dowturn since the 2008 crash but it must have bottomed out and be on the rise again as the economy slowly recovers.

There are obviously still plenty of opportunities out there as Hearts and Aberdeen are proving.

How can it be that Everton are planning to reserve up to 10,000 seats at their new stadium for the corporate market (roughly 20% of the proposed capacity). They say this is vital for not only funding the build but essential for the progression of the club. Everton fans are quite happy with this as they see it as a necessary evil in modern day football.

If the city of Liverpool and the surrounding area can deliver that level of corporate support (remember Everton aren't even the main draw in town) then surely Edinburgh as a financial centre and the wider Lothians could offer a similar level of support?

[Real Emerald]

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Not banking, but I used to work for a big pension provider in Edinburgh, and think you are right that Edinburgh being quite "Finance heavy" is now a bit of a hindrance.

When there I was lucky enough to be in a role where I offering corporate hospitality on a pretty big scale, and in that particular industry the regulation relating to "inducements" hit hard (rightly, tbh).

Some people took IFAs out to football, rugby, tennis, racing etc etc - loads of bevvy and food = loads spent.

However these days you can hardly buy someone a sandwich and it all needs to be written down and justified.

We could still take "end customers" out but in many cases they also had governance policies which meant they couldnt accept hospitality from a vendor - again all for good reason.

We used to sponsor tennis on a massive scale, but when that came to an end, so did the £millions per year spend on hospitality.

To come round to the Aberdeen comparison, they have a lot of Oil Industry sponsors, and I know from experience of working with one of the largest that they have absolutely no problem in giving and receiving big ticket hospitality

That’s exactly what I was getting at, it’s all been knocked on the head and probably won’t come back relating to the Edinburgh financial firms.

[GloryGlory]

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It may have been the case that corporate sponsorship has taken a huge dowturn since the 2008 crash but it must have bottomed out and be on the rise again as the economy slowly recovers.

There is obviously still plenty of opportunities out there as Hearts and Aberdeen are proving.

How can it be that Everton are planning to reserve up to 10,000 seats at their new stadium for the corporate market (roughly 20% of the proposed capacity). They say this is vital for not only funding the build but essential for the progression of the club. Everton fans are quite happy with this as they see it as a necessary evil in modern day football.

If the city of Liverpool and the surrounding area can deliver that level corporate support (remember Everton aren't even the main draw in town) then surely Edinburgh as a financial centre and the wider Lothians could offer a similar level of support?

The EPL is a much bigger draw to sponsors, simply because of the world wide coverage it gets. The SPFL is strictly lower league when it comes to the level of exposure that corporate sponsors can get.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I feel this thread has gone slightly off the title topic

I got all excited when I saw 2 pages of threads had been added since I last saw it

[Billy Whizz]

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I feel this thread has gone slightly off the title topic

I got all excited when I saw 2 pages of threads had been added since I last saw it

Thanks for adding to it!!!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Thanks for adding to it!!!

You're welcome

[MagicSwirlingShip]

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I feel this thread has gone slightly off the title topic

I got all excited when I saw 2 pages of threads had been added since I last saw it

Found the last 2 pages more interesting than most of the previous myself.

[Franck Stanton]

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Thanks for adding to it!!!

He's right though.

[Spudster]

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No, I think it's a Hibs Net myth that Dons make much more from corporate sales than we do. One of the main drivers for them moving from Pittodrie is to have modern hospitality facilities like we have! The oil boom is long gone, my old company sold it's last North Sea assets last week. We sponsored an English lower level club for many years & we paid them more than we did the Sheep.

The boom may be gone but it's still huge business. I got to Pittodrie corporate probably twice a year and it's always packed and the vast majority is oil related companies.

[GloryGlory]

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The boom may be gone but it's still huge business. I got to Pittodrie corporate probably twice a year and it's always packed and the vast majority is oil related companies.

Well, it's that or the Aberdeenshire and District Regional Sheep Shearing Championship.

[TrinityHibs]

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Aberdeen break down their turnover (they have to because they're a PLC) but Hibs don't.

Aberdeen's turnover for 2017-18 was (in 000s):

Gate receipts - £4,801
Sponsorship ans advertising-£2,008
Broadcasting rights - £2,855
Commercial - £4,875
UEFA solidarity and prize money - £841
Other operating revenue - £35
Total £15,415.

Hibs total turnover was £9,556.

I would expect gate receipts to be similar for both clubs and the other categories to possibly be slightly higher for Aberdeen as they were an established top-flight club and Hibs hadn't been for the previous three years, but the stand out figure for me is 'commercial'. Given it's separate from sponsorship and advertising I'm not sure what it represents, but it's their single biggest source of income.

Do they not run their food kiosks internally whereas we outsource? Also has anyone actually worked out where AFC are going to get £50M for their new ground? Bearing in mind Pittodrie is currently worth less than £10M (location and flats not working for housebuilders just now.

[FifeHibs]

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Do they not run their food kiosks internally whereas we outsource? Also has anyone actually worked out where AFC are going to get £50M for their new ground? Bearing in mind Pittodrie is currently worth less than £10M (location and flats not working for housebuilders just now.

There is no shortage of flats being built in Aberdeen City Centre, student accommodation is going up all over the place. I'd expect WM Donald to be doing most of the civics work as part off writing off Aberdeen Debts and others will be tax avoidance schemes.

The new commercial manager is tasked to increase the revenue to £20 million a year when they move.

Outwith DNA and the hospitality, the Dons are trying to engage allot more with local businesses.

https://www.afc.co.uk/commercial/by-official-appointment/

They also run Gothenburg nights that the old boys at work lap up.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Aberdeen might have oil money and a captive market. But we operate in one of the worlds biggest tourist cities for its size, never mind Scotland's. Its a market both Hibs and Hearts seem singularly inept at tapping into. How many folk on this forum would at least consider going to watch a game if they were abroad … I know I would.

Its one reason why building an hotel in the FF / East corner isn't such an outlandish idea as folk seem to think … OK its not Princes street or the Royal Mile, but its fairly central compared to a lot of Edinburgh with the main tourist attractions literally a 10 minute bus ride away … Edinburgh has the 2nd highest hotel room occupancy rate in the whole of Europe I'm lead to believe.

It could be done in partnership with one of the chains on a lease basis with Hibs cutting a deal for a guaranteed annual income. The only stipulation being that as part of the build the FF stand is widened by three metres.

[GloryGlory]

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Aberdeen might have oil money and a captive market. But we operate in one of the worlds biggest tourist cities for its size, never mind Scotland's. Its a market both Hibs and Hearts seem singularly inept at tapping into. How many folk on this forum would at least consider going to watch a game if they were abroad … I know I would.

I don't understand why we don't have a souvenir shop in the centre of town - even if just for the summer. When I go abroad, I buy local football souvenirs - scarves, keyrings, fridge magnets - and many football fans must come to Edinburgh over the course of the year. Plus there's that many empty shops in the town centre, I'm sure the landlords would be reasonable re rent, even if only for a few months.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Aberdeen might have oil money and a captive market. But we operate in one of the worlds biggest tourist cities for its size, never mind Scotland's. Its a market both Hibs and Hearts seem singularly inept at tapping into. How many folk on this forum would at least consider going to watch a game if they were abroad … I know I would.

Seen loads of tourists getting turned away from the TO because they are not on the database especially Category A games just plain nuts
Felt sorry for them looked genuine cases as well
Need to address this issue just NUTS!!

[Spudster]

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Do they not run their food kiosks internally whereas we outsource?

Someone always brings this up. A Pittodrie pie is £2.50, their average crowd is 15,000 over 19 games so that's 285,000 bums on seats throughout the season. Every fan would have to consume about 10 pies every single game to get to the figures we are talking about

[J-C]

Cheers for all the financial BS but does anyone have some rumours re transfers, maybe a new thread for all the business whizz kids.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Cheers for all the financial BS but does anyone have some rumours re transfers, maybe a new thread for all the business whizz kids.

The only rumour is that there's no rumours .. this is just a thread full of folk saying who they would like and who is out of contract with no actual links to Hibs whatsoever, just the same as every summer transfer window

Maybe if Hibs paid a bit more attention to the whizz kids we could actually afford to buy some of them.

[Caversham Green]

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Do they not run their food kiosks internally whereas we outsource? Also has anyone actually worked out where AFC are going to get £50M for their new ground? Bearing in mind Pittodrie is currently worth less than £10M (location and flats not working for housebuilders just now.

They do - that and merchandise will account for some of the commercial income but I can't see how it would reach nearly £5m. Hearts do likewise and their commercial income was £2,888k - that's with higher gate receipts so you'd expect catering to be higher too. Also Hearts sponsorship was £782k vs £2,008k for the sheep, and broadcasting was £82k vs £2,855k.

Anyway, apologies for taking the thread off track - I'll say no more on the subject on this thread.

[erin go bragh]

PAPER TALK: Paul Coutts and Patrick Bauer the latest names to be linked with Hibs. Highly unlikely to be anything more than just rumours though. Better than finance guff 😁

[hibbydad]

I think it is important to discuss the commercial activity as it is an important way to bring much needed revenue into the club

[04Sauzee]

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PAPER TALK: Paul Coutts and Patrick Bauer the latest names to be linked with Hibs. Highly unlikely to be anything more than just rumours though. Better than finance guff 😁

Patrick Bauer has defo been discounted

[FifeHibs]

Would it be benifical to open up another thread " Proposed Commercial Ideas" that can be passed onto the board by the fans representative?

[BoomtownHibees]

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Patrick Bauer has defo been discounted

Sounds positive. So we will be able to afford him now?

[Lago]

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They do - that and merchandise will account for some of the commercial income but I can't see how it would reach nearly £5m. Hearts do likewise and their commercial income was £2,888k - that's with higher gate receipts so you'd expect catering to be higher too. Also Hearts sponsorship was £782k vs £2,008k for the sheep, and broadcasting was £82k vs £2,855k.

Anyway, apologies for taking the thread off track - I'll say no more on the subject on this thread.

Don't know about others but I enjoyed it, to me in simplistic terms, Aberdeen appear just to be a better managed & more forward looking club than Hibs at this time. Hopefully that will change.

[marinello59]

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Don't know about others but I enjoyed it, to me in simplistic terms, Aberdeen appear just to be a better managed & more forward looking club than Hibs at this time. Hopefully that will change.

Aberdeen have just got lucky after getting donations from a few wealthy fans who are cashing out of the oil industry.

[04Sauzee]

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Sounds positive. So we will be able to afford him now?

I see what you did there

[Oscar T Grouch]

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Aberdeen might have oil money and a captive market. But we operate in one of the worlds biggest tourist cities for its size, never mind Scotland's. Its a market both Hibs and Hearts seem singularly inept at tapping into. How many folk on this forum would at least consider going to watch a game if they were abroad … I know I would.

I am not sure the make up of the tourists in Edinburgh is conducive to being tapped. Most tourists come from England (40%) I doubt they would be looking for a Scottish football experience or memorabilia. A further 22% come from other parts of the UK. The overseas visitors (38%) are mostly from the USA, not huge football fans in general, the rest are mainly from the larger European countries with the rest of the world and Canada both equating to 1% of tourists each. I have never spoken to a tourist in Edinburgh who has interest in Scottish football. while some advertising may help, the fact the height of the tourist season is when football here is shut down and when football starts the tickets everyone is looking for are fringe and festival tickets it may be a case of pissing into the wind and or wasting revenue trying to tap a market that doesn't want to see Hibs or Hearts playing a league cup match. I am sure there are tourist who would be interested in football, but I am sure they would test the water before coming here.