Brexit - What Now.

[SHODAN]

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Gove is a repulsive little turd of a man.

I'm never really going to be overly positive about any candidate for the leadership of the Tory party, but the idea of him as PM really turns my stomach.

Two weeks ago I'd agree with you, but honestly, given his softening stance and the other candidates I'd probably take him as the "compromise" candidate right now.

Plus, the public hate him and he'd lose a GE/fuel support for independence.

[Fife-Hibee]

Judge rules that Boris Johnson must stand trial for telling porkies in the brexit campaign. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...1cMb-CE00qQDw8

[Moulin Yarns]

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Judge rules that Boris Johnson must stand trial for telling porkies in the brexit campaign. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...1cMb-CE00qQDw8

Where's daffy duck when you need him 😉

Price of popcorn will increase

[JeMeSouviens]

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Judge rules that Boris Johnson must stand trial for telling porkies in the brexit campaign. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...1cMb-CE00qQDw8

Stand by for industrial scale irony about Brave Boris of Eton & Oxford taking on the Establishment Elite. FFS.
It will probably boost his campaign.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Stand by for industrial scale irony about Brave Boris of Eton & Oxford taking on the Establishment Elite. FFS.
It will probably boost his campaign.

I'm wondering if having a criminal case against him will not make his bid invalid?

[Bostonhibby]

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Two weeks ago I'd agree with you, but honestly, given his softening stance and the other candidates I'd probably take him as the "compromise" candidate right now.

Plus, the public hate him and he'd lose a GE/fuel support for independence.

Am thinking the same way, live in a pro brexit area with a massive tory parliamentary majority-they'd return a horse as MP if one got the nomination.

There's quite a few of the elderly party members who will ultimately select our PM round here, and my take on it is they're talking anyone but Boris who is a long term liability, and Gove seems well thought of, they probably think he's a nice young man.!

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[Fife-Hibee]

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Stand by for industrial scale irony about Brave Boris of Eton & Oxford taking on the Establishment Elite. FFS.
It will probably boost his campaign.

Considering the utterly bonkers political landscape, that wouldn't shock me at all. Cue Tommy Robinson levels of paranoia from Boris Johnson, echoed throughout the British right-wing media.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I'm wondering if having a criminal case against him will not make his bid invalid?

The question is really when will the case come to court and the outcome known.

A by-election is held if a seat becomes vacant during the lifetime of a Parliament, either when an MP resigns from the House of Commons, or because an MP has died. The law also allows a seat to be declared vacant because of a Member's bankruptcy, mental illness or conviction for a serious criminal offence.
A by-election does not automatically take place if an MP changes political party.
Until a new MP is elected, constituency matters are handled by an MP of the same party in a neighbouring constituency.

Imagine for a moment Mr Johnstone is elected as leader of the Conservative Party, and then a short while later is found guilty, a crime which can carry life imprisonment, and we have to go through the whole thing again?

[Smartie]

If any good can come out of this whole sorry affair, might it be someone as high-profile as Johnson being held to account for the utter bollocks that was spouted meaning that in future politicians need to be a bit more careful about what they promise?

[Fife-Hibee]

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The question is really when will the case come to court and the outcome known.



Imagine for a moment Mr Johnstone is elected as leader of the Conservative Party, and then a short while later is found guilty, a crime which can carry life imprisonment, and we have to go through the whole thing again?

Not a chance will that happen. Tony Blair proved you can walk out of court grinning regardles of your crimes, as long as you're high profile enough.

[marinello59]

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Not a chance will that happen. Tony Blair proved you can walk out of court grinning regardles of your crimes, as long as you're high profile enough.

What was Blair convicted of?

[degenerated]

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What was Blair convicted of?

I think that's the point he was making

[marinello59]

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I think that's the point he was making

What was he charged with ? I don’t remember any pictures of him walking out of court grinning.

[Fife-Hibee]

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What was he charged with ? I don’t remember any pictures of him walking out of court grinning.

It was a figure of speech. If Boris Johnson becomes the next PM, he will be untouchable. Just like the queen, the laws need not apply.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It was a figure of speech. If Boris Johnson becomes the next PM, he will be untouchable. Just like the queen, the laws need not apply.

Careful, you can't call Johnston a queen, you will feel the wrath of some posters on here.

[lord bunberry]

Lots of tories seem to be talking about a managed no deal using something called article 20. Is this complete bollocks or is there something in it?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Lots of tories seem to be talking about a managed no deal using something called article 20. Is this complete bollocks or is there something in it?

I think article 20 is to do with EU citizenship. No idea how that would change anything.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Lots of tories seem to be talking about a managed no deal using something called article 20. Is this complete bollocks or is there something in it?

If you mean GATT article 24 it's (surprise!) total bollocks.

https://uktradeforum.net/2019/01/26/...a-red-herring/

https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/

By Peter Ungphakorn

What’s going on here? To sum up

The 10-year period was designed for countries setting up free trade from scratch, not weakening integration.
For Brexit, citing it is unnecessary because it isn’t needed
Citing it also adds unnecessary complications
Or to put it another way, if the UK does cite it, it will face three hurdles:

The UK would have to reach agreement with the EU. The UK could not do this unilaterally. So this isn’t exactly “no deal”.
That agreement would have to include a plan and timetable for achieving the final agreement. And it would have to have a sufficient amount of detail, including what the final agreement would look like, because …
… the WTO membership could demand changes, if they weren’t convinced that the plan could be achieved within about 10 years. The UK and EU would have to accept those changes or scrap the agreement. (This doesn’t apply to free trade agreements that are not interim.)
In other words, the 10-year “grace period” has been used to cite WTO rules incorrectly by people who only have a superficial understanding of the rules.

[lord bunberry]

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If you mean GATT article 24 it's (surprise!) total bollocks.

https://uktradeforum.net/2019/01/26/...a-red-herring/

https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/...-grace-period/

That was it, couldn’t remember the number
To be honest I thought it all sounded to good to be true.

[degenerated]

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What was he charged with ? I don’t remember any pictures of him walking out of court grinning.

I assumed it was more a literal reference relating to the Iraq Enquiry

[Jack Hackett]

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Stand by for industrial scale irony about Brave Boris of Eton & Oxford taking on the Establishment Elite. FFS.
It will probably boost his campaign.

The irony has already started. Boris's argument against the case was that the prosecution is a 'political stunt'... which is totally not what his big red bus was

[lapsedhibee]

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The irony has already started. Boris's argument against the case was that the prosecution is a 'political stunt'... which is totally not what his big red bus was

Prediction:
Somewhere along the line a magistrate will call him a glib and shameless liar. Johnston's fans will claim a kafflik conspiracy, ignore the finding, and he'll still be their darling.

Farage may benefit by beginning to seem, comparatively, upright and honest.

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/o...imes&smtyp=cur

[Glory Lurker]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/o...imes&smtyp=cur

Thanks for sharing that. It’s ensured me a depressing end to a rubbish day!

[Hibbyradge]

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Thanks for sharing that. It’s ensured me a depressing end to a rubbish day!

Sorry GL. 😥

[Hibbyradge]

This is an interesting piece which suggests that the reality is starting to hit home ...

https://www.conservativehome.com/the...-election.html

[Killiehibbie]

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I'm wondering if having a criminal case against him will not make his bid invalid?

I'm sure there are jobs you can't apply for if there are criminal proceedings against you. This should be one of them, i'd go as far as never let him work again.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/stat...486755840?s=21

I don’t think this guy has a chance of winning the Tory leadership as they are moving to the far right but he should.
Speaks well on the perils of no deal here.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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https://twitter.com/rupertmyers/stat...486755840?s=21

I don’t think this guy has a chance of winning the Tory leadership as they are moving to the far right but he should.
Speaks well on the perils of no deal here.


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I posted the same thing on the Tories thread. He has also admitted to smoking opium at a wedding in Iran. Inhaled and everything.

[Ozyhibby]

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I posted the same thing on the Tories thread. He has also admitted to smoking opium at a wedding in Iran. Inhaled and everything.

He is exactly what they need and if they did go for him and he manages some sort of brexit deal then he would wipe the floor with Corbyn.
It’s just the sort of thing the Tories always manage to do so maybe he does stand a chance. His popularity will grow over the next few weeks as he gets more air time and Tories start to think about electability as well as brexit. They have a keen sense of self preservation the Tories.


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