Brexit - What Now.

[ancient hibee]

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Since when did we start counting the votes of people who didn’t vote? And specifically counting them for one side or the other? If you don’t vote it doesn’t matter what you think.


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As you clearly weren’t able to understand my original post I’ll try again.I wasn’t
apportioning the votes of those who didn’t vote but merely pointing out that the vast majority didn’t choose to vote at all and that therefore the votes for any party were a minuscule part of the electorate and to extrapolate from that any kind of overall view was silly.

[grunt]

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I intended this thread to be a discussion on the 31/10 deadline and the likelihood of it happening.

Good luck with that. Unless you ban him from the thread, our 310 chum will turn every discussion into one about how bad the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are.

On topic, here's a nice positive thread from twitter.
https://twitter.com/staedtler/status...704101888?s=21

[James310]

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Good luck with that. Unless you ban him from the thread, our 310 chum will turn every discussion into one about how bad the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are.

On topic, here's a nice positive thread from twitter.
https://twitter.com/staedtler/status...704101888?s=21

You are a charmer, do you live up to your name?

How silly of me to post about the EU elections on a Brexit thread, of course they are totally unrelated. And again about IndyRef2 when the leader of the SNP also commented on it and linked it to Brexit.

I would say you turn everything into a SNP love in but actually I have no clue what you post so it must be pretty irrelevant.

[Fife-Hibee]

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You are a charmer, do you live up to your name?

How silly of me to post about the EU elections on a Brexit thread, of course they are totally unrelated. And again about IndyRef2 when the leader of the SNP also commented on it and linked it to Brexit.

I would say you turn everything into a SNP love in but actually I have no clue what you post so it must be pretty irrelevant.

Why don't you just admit that you would never ever back the independence of the country you live in under any circumstance?

Trident could go off tomorrow, taking out half of Scotland and you would be on here giving us all a speech on how it brings us all closer together.

[James310]

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Why don't you just admit that you would never ever back the independence of the country you live in under any circumstance?

Trident could go off tomorrow, taking out half of Scotland and you would be on here giving us all a speech on how it brings us all closer together.

No I wouldn't, I would be dead.

[Fife-Hibee]

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No I wouldn't, I would be dead.

Oh well. At least you won't have to experience the sheer horrors of a country making it's own choices.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Oh well. At least you won't have to experience the sheer horrors of a country making it's own choices.

He doesn’t think Scotland is or should be a country. It’s a completely different mindset.

[Moulin Yarns]

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As you clearly weren’t able to understand my original post I’ll try again.I wasn’t
apportioning the votes of those who didn’t vote but merely pointing out that the vast majority didn’t choose to vote at all and that therefore the votes for any party were a minuscule part of the electorate and to extrapolate from that any kind of overall view was silly.

Ain't democracy a bitch

[degenerated]

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John Bercow on whether parliament has a means to stop no deal:

Interesting and slightly concerning article

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...-stopped-mps-0

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[Bishop Hibee]

In the mad political world at present, I actually found myself agreeing with Malcolm Rifkind who was on the BBC News Channel earlier today. He was making the point that as the Conservative Partly had failed to agree Brexit and then Parliament had failed to agree Brexit then there must be a second vote. He made it clear he was speaking as someone who had been very much against a second vote but as both his own party and Parliament had made a complete arse of things, this was the only answer. If someone like him is supporting a second referendum, the tide is definitely turning. I therefore voted that we would not leave on 31.10.19.

[RyeSloan]

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In the mad political world at present, I actually found myself agreeing with Malcolm Rifkind who was on the BBC News Channel earlier today. He was making the point that as the Conservative Partly had failed to agree Brexit and then Parliament had failed to agree Brexit then there must be a second vote. He made it clear he was speaking as someone who had been very much against a second vote but as both his own party and Parliament had made a complete arse of things, this was the only answer. If someone like him is supporting a second referendum, the tide is definitely turning. I therefore voted that we would not leave on 31.10.19.

It’s a fair point but what happens when if we have a second ref and the answer is the same? Or would there be a multiple choice question that gives no overall majority to any option?

Or if it’s leave with a deal but not this deal (The Corbyn option?) would Barnier tell the UK to bolt again on a renegotiation?

A second vote is somehow touted as a panacea but it could easily lead to just more nonsense....

[Peevemor]

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It’s a fair point but what happens when if we have a second ref and the answer is the same? Or would there be a multiple choice question that gives no overall majority to any option?

Or if it’s leave with a deal but not this deal (The Corbyn option?) would Barnier tell the UK to bolt again on a renegotiation?

A second vote is somehow touted as a panacea but it could easily lead to just more nonsense....

The difference with a second vote is that people will have a better idea what they're voting for/against.

[Ozyhibby]

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It’s a fair point but what happens when if we have a second ref and the answer is the same? Or would there be a multiple choice question that gives no overall majority to any option?

Or if it’s leave with a deal but not this deal (The Corbyn option?) would Barnier tell the UK to bolt again on a renegotiation?

A second vote is somehow touted as a panacea but it could easily lead to just more nonsense....

A second vote will need to be a straight choice between WTO and Remain. The brexiteers have not managed to negotiate a deal so at least we will know exactly what we are voting for.


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[grunt]

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A second vote will need to be a straight choice between WTO and Remain. The brexiteers have not managed to negotiate a deal so at least we will know exactly what we are voting for.


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Do people know what WTO will be like? There's a huge number who seem to think that it will be fine.

[jonty]

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A second vote will need to be a straight choice between WTO and Remain. The brexiteers have not managed to negotiate a deal so at least we will know exactly what we are voting for.


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They have managed to negotiate a deal.

We knew we’d have to negotiate a deal to leave, why is it we suddenly think we can shove two fingers up and do what we like. We agreed to the process when we joined didn’t we? If another country was doing this we’d be going nuts.

[RyeSloan]

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A second vote will need to be a straight choice between WTO and Remain. The brexiteers have not managed to negotiate a deal so at least we will know exactly what we are voting for.


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No there is a deal on the table. One that got (in the end) quite a few MP’s to vote for it. Not sure you can simply discard it and not give people the option to vote for it.

Which is kind of my point. A second vote is touted as the way out but I’m not even sure people can agree what that second vote should or would be!

No matter what would happen if the result was mega close or didn’t land heavily on remain...

[Jack]

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No there is a deal on the table. One that got (in the end) quite a few MP’s to vote for it. Not sure you can simply discard it and not give people the option to vote for it.

Which is kind of my point. A second vote is touted as the way out but I’m not even sure people can agree what that second vote should or would be!

No matter what would happen if the result was mega close or didn’t land heavily on remain...

The original vote was leave or stay. Mays deal is the leave option.

In my opinion the vote would have to be between Mays deal or remain.

[JeMeSouviens]

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No there is a deal on the table. One that got (in the end) quite a few MP’s to vote for it. Not sure you can simply discard it and not give people the option to vote for it.

Which is kind of my point. A second vote is touted as the way out but I’m not even sure people can agree what that second vote should or would be!

No matter what would happen if the result was mega close or didn’t land heavily on remain...

Have a Brexit run off, deal v no deal. Then take the chosen Brexit option to a final confirmation v Remain. Hold them a week apart like the French do with their presidential election.

[JeMeSouviens]

Actually I think parliament should just say the whole thing’s pish, revoke and save months/years of turmoil. Sighs of relief all round.

[grunt]

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Actually I think parliament should just say the whole thing’s pish, revoke and save months/years of turmoil. Sighs of relief all round.

This.

Government should do what it's supposed to do - lead the country and do what's best for the country.

[Sylar]

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Actually I think parliament should just say the whole thing’s pish, revoke and save months/years of turmoil. Sighs of relief all round.

Would result in riots, not relief.

Followed by years of antagonistic politics, social division, a fuelled far-right and civil unrest.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Would result in riots, not relief.

Followed by years of antagonistic politics, social division, a fuelled far-right and civil unrest.

The people who say there'll be riots also said there'd be riots if we didn't leave by March 29th. So far, no riots.

All the other stuff is coming anyway, and imo will find much more fertile conditions in a no deal Brexit scenario. (Basically Weimar Germany-lite).

[Fife-Hibee]

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The people who say there'll be riots also said there'd be riots if we didn't leave by March 29th. So far, no riots.

All the other stuff is coming anyway, and imo will find much more fertile conditions in a no deal Brexit scenario. (Basically Weimar Germany-lite).

No. People said there would be riots if the public were told that Brexit was cancelled by March 29th. It's be drawn out longer, but those who voted Leave still fully expect us to do so.

Regardless of what happens next, there's going to be riots. Which is why parliament is struggling to piece any real solution together.

[marinello59]

Michael Gove to win the Tory leadership contest. He’ll go to Brussels with May’s deal, get it tweaked a bit and it will go through Parliament this time.
Anybody here plannning to riot if that happens? I’m not sure whether to take part or just watch it on the TV. I’m assuming it will be live unless it kicks off at a stupid time.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Michael Gove to win the Tory leadership contest. He’ll go to Brussels with May’s deal, get it tweaked a bit and it will go through Parliament this time.
Anybody here plannning to riot if that happens? I’m not sure whether to take part or just watch it on the TV. I’m assuming it will be live unless it kicks off at a stupid time.

Just the mere thought of that slimy wee cretin becoming the next PM is enough to make me lose my ****.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Michael Gove to win the Tory leadership contest. He’ll go to Brussels with May’s deal, get it tweaked a bit and it will go through Parliament this time.
Anybody here plannning to riot if that happens? I’m not sure whether to take part or just watch it on the TV. I’m assuming it will be live unless it kicks off at a stupid time.

I don't think he'll get to the final 2 but even if he did he has not much chance with the membership due to his brass necked backstabbing last time.

Edit: actually I could be talking bollocks ("NO", I here you gasp!). Here's the latest ConHome survey of Tory members:

[Ozyhibby]

Give is probably the only one capable of getting something through. The rest will go for hard brexit and fail and we will end up with a GE.


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[Smartie]

Gove is a repulsive little turd of a man.

I'm never really going to be overly positive about any candidate for the leadership of the Tory party, but the idea of him as PM really turns my stomach.

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Followed by years of antagonistic politics, social division, a fuelled far-right and civil unrest.

That's coming whatever happens.

[Ozyhibby]

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No there is a deal on the table. One that got (in the end) quite a few MP’s to vote for it. Not sure you can simply discard it and not give people the option to vote for it.

Which is kind of my point. A second vote is touted as the way out but I’m not even sure people can agree what that second vote should or would be!

No matter what would happen if the result was mega close or didn’t land heavily on remain...

There is a deal on the table but the brexiteers did not vote for it. It’s up to them to now put their WTO brexit up against remain.


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