Summer 2019 transfer thread

***Stuart93*** · 30-04-2019 08:14 PM

Surely no-ones arguing that Lewis Allan is good enough for us? Struggled to get regular starting places at Dunfermline, Forfar and Livingston.

**B.H.F.C** · 30-04-2019 08:17 PM

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You've hit the nail on the head with 'limited appearances'. How can you possibly show what you can offer based on the odd game here and there. Olly Shaw has been afforded plenty of opportunities, Lewis Allan hasn't.

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He hasn’t been afforded them for a reason though? Presumably he trains all week, has an opportunity to show what he can do, and what he has shown is that he isn’t good enough to lead the line for us perhaps?

***3pm*** · 30-04-2019 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by biscuitersed75

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You've hit the nail on the head with 'limited appearances'. How can you possibly show what you can offer based on the odd game here and there. Olly Shaw has been afforded plenty of opportunities, Lewis Allan hasn't.

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The same reason as I have no appearances for Hibs.

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 08:27 PM

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As others have said, from watching him when he has come on. When you consider Danny Handling is now playing League 2 (probably quite rightly)and he was imo significantly better than Allan, then that’s another reason I’m surprised he’s getting that kind of move. You don’t need to see him that many times when he’s so clearly so far off the level required when we have seen him. Like you said though, all about opinions.

Anyway, I don’t have a problem with Lewis Allan, seems a decent enough professional.. I’d just be stunned if he somehow gets a move to League 1 or 2 in England.

Danny Handling featured many times in the first team, far more than Lewis Allan ever has. Doesn't stand up to comparison. Clearly, you're able to make up your mind about a player based on a handful of appearances. I'd prefer to give them a decent chance before judging them.

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**~~calumhibee1~~** · 30-04-2019 08:48 PM

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Danny Handling featured many times in the first team, far more than Lewis Allan ever has. Doesn't stand up to comparison. Clearly, you're able to make up your mind about a player based on a handful of appearances. I'd prefer to give them a decent chance before judging them.

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Lewis Allan hasn’t been given the opportunities because he hasn’t shown nearly enough to merit them, whether that’s his limited sub appearances at Hibs or his 6 goals in 50 games in the bottom two leagues of the Scottish football pyramid when he’s been out on loan.

Danny Handling showed a hell of a lot more, hence why he got more opportunities.

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 09:31 PM

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Lewis Allan hasn’t been given the opportunities because he hasn’t shown nearly enough to merit them, whether that’s his limited sub appearances at Hibs or his 6 goals in 50 games in the bottom two leagues of the Scottish football pyramid when he’s been out on loan.

Danny Handling showed a hell of a lot more, hence why he got more opportunities.

For what it's worth, I never rated Danny Handling, that based on an assessment of his contribution to many first team games that he featured in. Lewis Allan's various loan spells are not relevant to the point I'm trying to make. For the last year or so, when he has been totally fit and fully recovered from the horrendous medical issues that he faced, he's featured regularly in the first team squad. But, hasn't been given the game time to show what is capable of. If he had and didn't cut it, fair enough. If he was so poor as a few posters are suggesting, then why was he there in the first place?

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**McKenzie** · 30-04-2019 09:33 PM

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Danny Handling featured many times in the first team, far more than Lewis Allan ever has. Doesn't stand up to comparison. Clearly, you're able to make up your mind about a player based on a handful of appearances. I'd prefer to give them a decent chance before judging them.

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So at what age of being a professional footballer do you say someone is not good enough? Or do we keep him until he’s 40 because he “hasn’t had enough opportunities”? Boys not good enough for Hibs, move him on

**Iain G** · 30-04-2019 09:34 PM

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For what it's worth, I never rated Danny Handling, that based on an assessment of his contribution to many first team games that he featured in. Lewis Allan's various loan spells are not relevant to the point I'm trying to make. For the last year or so, when he has been totally fit and fully recovered from the horrendous medical issues that he faced, he's featured regularly in the first team squad. But, hasn't been given the game time to show what is capable of. If he had and didn't cut it, fair enough. If he was so poor as a few posters are suggesting, then why was he there in the first place?

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He was there as we were short of numbers and Lennon was making a point with Flo. If Heck doesn't rate him then we need to trust in his judgement.

**IberianHibernian** · 30-04-2019 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Stuart93

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Surely no-ones arguing that Lewis Allan is good enough for us? Struggled to get regular starting places at Dunfermline, Forfar and Livingston.

How old was he and what was his fitness situation when he was at these clubs ? Was he not out for a long time with a back problem ? I`ve only seen him on telly like game at Livi where he was our best player and odd sub appearance and have been surprised that he hasn`t played more . Anyway if it`s confirmed that he`s leaving us good luck to him and hope he does well wherever he goes .

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 09:37 PM

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So at what age of being a professional footballer do you say someone is not good enough? Or do we keep him until he’s 40 because he “hasn’t had enough opportunities”? Boys not good enough for Hibs, move him on

You play him a good few times and if he's not delivering you make that judgement. Lewis Allan has had 2 games and the odd subby appearance. Not enough to decide imo.

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**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 09:39 PM

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He was there as we were short of numbers and Lennon was making a point with Flo. If Heck doesn't rate him then we need to trust in his judgement.

And you know that for sure?

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**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 09:41 PM

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How old was he and what was his fitness situation when he was at these clubs ? Was he not out for a long time with a back problem ? I`ve only seen him on telly like game at Livi where he was our best player and odd sub appearance and have been surprised that he hasn`t played more . Anyway if it`s confirmed that he`s leaving us good luck to him and hope he does well wherever he goes .

Yes, his development was severely hindered by the back problem.

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***eastterrace*** · 30-04-2019 09:42 PM

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In the last year or so, as I've already said, he's played twice from the start against Livingston winning praise from the then manager. He also featured for a short spell against Aberdeen away, again equipping himself very well. Clearly we are seeing things very differently. All about opinions though. My view is that he was very much up to scratch but hasn't been given a decent run, unlike Shaw.

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sorry can’t agree with you . He was poor against Livingston and looked out of his depth. The only reason Lennon praised him was because Lennon was having a strop with kamberi and tried to make out he had done the right thing playing shaw and Allen . He was then dropped for the next game.

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by eastterrace

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sorry can’t agree with you . He was poor against Livingston and looked out of his depth. The only reason Lennon praised him was because Lennon was having a strop with kamberi and tried to make out he had done the right thing playing shaw and Allen . He was then dropped for the next game.

Sorry, don't agree with you. I take it Lennon shared his thoughts with you on this?

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***bigwheel*** · 30-04-2019 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by biscuitersed75

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Sorry, don't agree with you. I take it Lennon shared his thoughts with you on this?

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He’s not made the grade mate ...in a time where we had limited options he got some game time never let himself down - but showed nothing to suggest he can play regularly at that level...didn’t even play every week for Edinburgh city last season ...wish him well for the rest of his career

***Unseen work*** · 30-04-2019 10:03 PM

Lewis Allan isn’t good enough, if he was he would have got more opportunities and done more with them when he did.

He seems good for hold up and getting in behind teams with his pace and strength but just never filled me with confidence that he would score.

Hope he goes on to have a good career elsewhere, always sad to see a young boy not make the grade.

He’s 22 now, clubs have to make a decision on young players and we can’t justify giving him a new contract.

***eastterrace*** · 30-04-2019 10:04 PM

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Sorry, don't agree with you. I take it Lennon shared his thoughts with you on this?

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i take it Lennon told you different

**04Sauzee** · 30-04-2019 10:14 PM

Who was the big target man we were linked with in January? Think The Rangers ended up being linked with him? Remember he had a good goalscoring record this season but not sure how his season went from January onwards.

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 10:15 PM

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i take it Lennon told you different

Something like that

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***Eyrie*** · 30-04-2019 10:18 PM

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You play him a good few times and if he's not delivering you make that judgement. Lewis Allan has had 2 games and the odd subby appearance. Not enough to decide imo.

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By that logic every player in the development squad should be guaranteed a couple of dozen games for Hibs before we decide whether to release them.

Instead those who aren't deemed good enough get released without featuring at all. Allan has at least had some playing time but clearly didn't do enough to persuade two different managers that he deserves more opportunities.

So I'll wish him good luck elsewhere.

hfc rd · 30-04-2019 11:24 PM

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Who was the big target man we were linked with in January? Think The Rangers ended up being linked with him? Remember he had a good goalscoring record this season but not sure how his season went from January onwards.

The only strikers I remember us being linked with this past January were Cummings, Shankland & McNulty

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 11:29 PM

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By that logic every player in the development squad should be guaranteed a couple of dozen games for Hibs before we decide whether to release them.

Instead those who aren't deemed good enough get released without featuring at all. Allan has at least had some playing time but clearly didn't do enough to persuade two different managers that he deserves more opportunities.

So I'll wish him good luck elsewhere.

Who said anything about a dozen games? Do you think that two games is enough to form an opinion? I don't.

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***matty_f*** · 30-04-2019 11:31 PM

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Who said anything about a dozen games? Do you think that two games is enough to form an opinion? I don't.

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But the manager will see the players regularly in training and development games, that'll influence the decision more than a couple of first team matches.

**biscuitersed75** · 30-04-2019 11:43 PM

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But the manager will see the players regularly in training and development games, that'll influence the decision more than a couple of first team matches.

I agree. They then put them in the squad and on the bench for several games, but don't involve them. What's the point?

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**04Sauzee** · 30-04-2019 11:55 PM

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The only strikers I remember us being linked with this past January were Cummings, Shankland & McNulty

Found the name I was looking for it was Tom Eaves

***Unseen work*** · 01-05-2019 12:19 AM

Got told we’re keen on Josh Mullin, scored 14 goals and 20 assists this season for Ross County.

Would seem to fit the Heckingbottom type of player - excelling at lower levels. Also won promotion with Livi the season prior.

***MagicSwirlingShip*** · 01-05-2019 12:25 AM

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Who was the big target man we were linked with in January? Think The Rangers ended up being linked with him? Remember he had a good goalscoring record this season but not sure how his season went from January onwards.

Tom Eaves, 19 goals in 42 apps for Gillingham this season. Contract expires end of June.

***BSEJVT*** · 01-05-2019 04:15 AM

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I agree. They then put them in the squad and on the bench for several games, but don't involve them. What's the point?

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The point is he was the least worst option available

Probably the only other fit striker on the books

Constructing a bench, like a team is about variety, there wouldn't be much point in having 7 defenders on the bench would there?

Good luck to the guy and he has shown tremendous fortitude to come back from a very serious injury but he is IMO nowhere near the standard of player we need if we want to progress.

BTW I watch a lot of the development games on Hibs TV so this isn't just based on his limited first team appearances

***J-C*** · 01-05-2019 05:01 AM

Lewis Allan has had 2 fully fit seasons since his severe back problems, he's managed a handful of appearances, if he was going to make it here he would have by now. He's something like 22 now and not a wee laddie, it's time to move on and allow him the chance to play regularly elsewhere.