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    Toilet rolls are the thing to make sure you have plenty of... (I’m not joking)
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    An inability to distribute its products could put the skids under the likes of Kimberly-Clarke and Proctor and Gamble.

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    As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.

    We're more likely to need to stockpile in the event of problems with fuel deliveries, i.e. if it all kicked off with Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pointer View Post
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    As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.
    Ah yes, the comparison with the Year 2000 problem. The problem that thousands of IT developers spent millions of hours working on, to resolve a known and demonstrable problem. Yeah, good analogy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pointer View Post
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    As nothing is likely to change, no, as it's all getting a bit like the Millennium Bug.

    We're more likely to need to stockpile in the event of problems with fuel deliveries, i.e. if it all kicked off with Putin.
    I'm hearing this 'its the millennium bug all over again, project fear' a lot from Brexiteers. There is really no reason to compare the two things; the MB was about a very discrete bit of tech that the human race had never tested before, so the outcome was unknown and potentially scary. The second is about the dynamics of global trade, which the human race has been doing for about 5,000 years, so economists have a fairly good idea how the system works.

    You may as well make the argument that because Rasputin got it wrong and 2013 wasn't the end of days, Brexit will be a roaring success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Green Goblin View Post
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    Toilet rolls are the thing to make sure you have plenty of... (I’m not joking)
    Not that I'm the type to wish any level of success for the Jambos, but to have Craig Levein 90 minutes away from that elusive medal during a toilet roll shortage could be comedy gold.

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    Took German citizenship back in September, but as a freelance working between Germany and the UK I had been resident in both countries. Then I hit 65 last year, making all kinds of issues more complex, so I've just moved officially full time to Bremen. Applying for an S1 health thingy, but might end up with the shortest period of health insurance ever if it all goes t*ts up

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    I think the world has heard that story before (excl. Brexit of course!) but it’s not really held true.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/l...ime=1850..2015

    And while I agree on your general premise of having an allotment (since I have one!) I’m not sure you are factoring in the technological advances being made in food production.

    From vertical farms to lab grown meat to robotised farming all the way to molecular level replicators I think we are more likely to be standing on edge of a food revolution than needing to dig for victory!

    And that’s before you factor in the ‘health app’ industry that is providing more and more personalised health data that will allow people to tailor precisely what their body needs in terms of nutrition. Which I believe will drive societal changes in a less is more kind of way.
    "With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages."

    Government only published this report today under duress. I doubt health apps and vertical farms will do much to help the situation, interesting though they are.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...overnment-says
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    I'm hearing this 'its the millennium bug all over again, project fear' a lot from Brexiteers. There is really no reason to compare the two things; the MB was about a very discrete bit of tech that the human race had never tested before, so the outcome was unknown and potentially scary. The second is about the dynamics of global trade, which the human race has been doing for about 5,000 years, so economists have a fairly good idea how the system works.

    You may as well make the argument that because Rasputin got it wrong and 2013 wasn't the end of days, Brexit will be a roaring success.
    I'm in complete agreement with your post, apart from the bit in bold
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibsbollah View Post
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    "With 30% of food coming from the EU, prices are likely to increase and there is a risk that panic buying might create shortages."

    Government only published this report today under duress. I doubt health apps and vertical farms will do much to help the situation, interesting though they are.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...overnment-says
    Ha well yeah I did say I had an allotment as well ;-).

    My point on vertical farms was of course aimed at your more general point not really on the short term Brexit soap opera. But hey you never know maybe not being in the CAP might actually spur some investment in more sustainable and non subsidised food production?

    That said I’m sure a no deal cliff edge scenario would indeed result in some imported food costs increasing. Quite how much and for how long I have no idea but I ain’t gonna pretend it won’t have some impact that’s for sure.

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    I’m a type 1 diabetic so it’s a bit of a worry that we don’t make a single drop of insulin in the UK, it’s all imported from Europe, and we tend to, well, die pretty rapidly without it.

    Apart from that I’ve got my feet up............

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Exile View Post
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    I’m a type 1 diabetic so it’s a bit of a worry that we don’t make a single drop of insulin in the UK, it’s all imported from Europe, and we tend to, well, die pretty rapidly without it.

    Apart from that I’ve got my feet up............
    Daughter in the same boat. Looks like I might need to start bringing supplies over via the unicorn technology border in Ireland.

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    Maybe the answer is to have a 2nd vote and record who votes what. If there are shortages in food and medicine then those who voted remain should get to go to the front of any queues. Surely those who are convinced no problems will arise through leaving the EU will not mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiBremian View Post
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    Daughter in the same boat. Looks like I might need to start bringing supplies over via the unicorn technology border in Ireland.

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    Hope she gets sorted Richard. 😡

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Maybe the answer is to have a 2nd vote and record who votes what. If there are shortages in food and medicine then those who voted remain should get to go to the front of any queues. Surely those who are convinced no problems will arise through leaving the EU will not mind?
    Oh I do love that idea. Votes that have actual consequences for those who cast them in whichever way. Such a pity that can't be done.

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    What’s the worst case scenario ?

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    Everything will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    Everything will be fine.
    I'd expand on that.

    Everything will be alright in the end. And if it's not alright, it's not the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    Everything will be fine.
    Or not, depending on your situation.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47408789

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47403653
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I'd expand on that.

    Everything will be alright in the end. And if it's not alright, it's not the end.
    And if it's not the end, it is just the beginning
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    What’s the worst case scenario ?
    Short term: multiple day queues at Dover/Calais, panic buying, short shelf life medicine supplies disrupted and people die

    Long term: take your pick from the final death of UK manufacturing and agriculture*, hundreds of thousands of job losses, lower environmental standards and workers' rights or a long term managed economic decline. Either way, Scotland will be among those experiencing the worst of the negative effects.


    * Rees-Mogg's pet economist Patrick Minford on the car industry: "you are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Short term: multiple day queues at Dover/Calais, panic buying, short shelf life medicine supplies disrupted and people die

    Long term: take your pick from the final death of UK manufacturing and agriculture*, hundreds of thousands of job losses, lower environmental standards and workers' rights or a long term managed economic decline. Either way, Scotland will be among those experiencing the worst of the negative effects.


    * Rees-Mogg's pet economist Patrick Minford on the car industry: "you are going to have to run it down ... in the same way we ran down the coal industry and steel industry. These things happen.”
    Minford? Is he even still alive? I remember being forced to read his book as an undergraduate, trickle down economics for gullible idiots and Maggie, also known as the Chicago school. Took over the world until everyone realised it didn't actually work.

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    Minford? Is he even still alive? I remember being forced to read his book as an undergraduate, trickle down economics for gullible idiots and Maggie, also known as the Chicago school. Took over the world until everyone realised it didn't actually work.
    Yep, he is the lead voice in "Economists for Brexit" formerly "Economists for Free Trade" who are the supposed brains behind the Brexiteer ultras.

    His record hasn't improved over the decades btw. He predicted a 20% fall in GDP and millions of job losses on the introduction of the minimum wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Yep, he is the lead voice in "Economists for Brexit" formerly "Economists for Free Trade" who are the supposed brains behind the Brexiteer ultras.

    His record hasn't improved over the decades btw. He predicted a 20% fall in GDP and millions of job losses on the introduction of the minimum wage.
    Wow. I should really pay more attention to these people. Or probably not.

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    Yes. We're £33m out of pocket:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future17 View Post
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    Yes. We're £33m out of pocket:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699
    Chris Grayling, and the tory government were told this would happen, and they'd be taken to court over the zombie ferries contract.

    They laughed it off, and now the taxpayers are having to cover for his incompetence.

    It's time he was gone.

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    Nothing much happening here (which is kind of concerning)..No clue on what it means for ROI..Were close enough to the border but I'm more concerned for my relatives in the north than I am about living here..Still havent got around to getting citizenship, price keeps putting it on the long finger.

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    Stockpiling flour and yeast.

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    Well my UK passport will be even more useless than it is now (over here), and I'll be travelling on my NZ one from now on. Some over here are hoping Brexit will lead to increased trade within the commonwealth, especially Aus & NZ. Any of our economic experts fancy addressing that one? NZ especially suffered a significant economic downturn when britain joined the EU in the first place, or so I'm told.

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    Leave means leave, unless you are the chair of the Vote Leave campaign.

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-lawson-to-quit-france-to-return-to-the-uk-1-5920438



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