Who is not good enough?

**beensaidbefore** · 09-11-2018 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Alex Trager

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Whilst we may have been caught out by the wind or a miss placed pass. We had two or three really good chances second half. And we need to be taking them

That's true. But it was Milligan and Kamberi who missed our chances tonight. Mclaren didn't have a sniff either. It was a bad day at the office in difficult conditions. 1 point from 12 is diabolical compared with our recent form, but we will bounce back.

***SRHibs*** · 09-11-2018 10:09 PM

The kids aren’t good enough. That’s not to say that they’ll never be, but at this point in time we need backup with a bit more experience. Hopefully signing a striker is a priority for Lennon in January, or now if he can find a decent free agent. Agree with HC about Boyle too.

***Jim44*** · 09-11-2018 10:59 PM

Simplistically obvious but it has to be said ( yet again ), our shortcomings can be summed up in three words. - McGinn, McGeoch, Allan. I won’t have a go at players who are trying their best but sometimes shoes just can’t be filled.

***Lancs Harp*** · 09-11-2018 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jim44

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Simplistically obvious but it has to be said ( yet again ), our shortcomings can be summed up in three words. - McGinn, McGeoch, Allan. I won’t have a go at players who are trying their best but sometimes shoes just can’t be filled.

We miss the three undoubtedly, quality not easily replaced. The three did only start 6 league games together though.

**Tarrahib** · 09-11-2018 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by beensaidbefore

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I thought ambrose had a decent game. Got a bit freaky at times, but generally solid, as we're Stevenson, and Porteous.

Mcgregor I suppose was solid too, but I feel he charges about a wee bit too much. I wonder if he feels he needs to help out Porteous?

What was your take on Ambrose?

Anybody who was at the match with their eyes open would realise that Efe was Hibs man of the match.

**The Harp Awakes** · 09-11-2018 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

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Boyle. Anonymous again. Championship player.

His ball control tonight was woeful. He should have been hooked at half time tonight. However, overall he's improved as a player under Lennon. Lost his way a bit recently but early season he was top drawer.

**hfc-1875** · 10-11-2018 05:54 AM

I look at the team and there’s a few individuals I don’t think should be starters for us. We’ve no drive from midfield, as much as I like the goal threat Mallan brings I don’t he’s a great all round player. Slivka shows flashes of class but not consistent enough throughout a game- bench player for me. Not convinced my Horgan. Some of our top players aren’t performing at the moment too (Kamberi, Boyle and Maclaren)

**we are hibs** · 10-11-2018 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by One Day Soon

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And there it is...

Can Lennon do any wrong in your eyes? This is his hibs team he's got now rather than living off of the core of Stubbs side and he's been found out so far this season. Maybe if we had recruited better in the summer we would have more options upfront and in midfield. But you said we had a good window and we were all "pant wetting yams" for saying at the time it was poor.

**~~The 90+2~~** · 10-11-2018 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by we are hibs

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Can Lennon do any wrong in your eyes? This is his hibs team he's got now rather than living off of the core of Stubbs side and he's been found out so far this season. Maybe if we had recruited better in the summer we would have more options upfront and in midfield. But you said we had a good window and we were all "pant wetting yams" for saying at the time it was poor.

👍 spot on, sadly.

***Greenworld*** · 10-11-2018 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Lennon's Lip

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I'm convinced that losing all of the following players will do us absolutely no harm at all:

Slivka.........brings nothing aside from bitty and intermittant wee bright moments
Hyndman......has been average with the odd moment here and there
Whittaker......has been okay-ish here and there, but has lost all his pace and is definitely not top 4 SPL standard any more
Nelom.......has brought zilch
Agyepong....it just hasn't happened for him for one reason or another (injuries aside)

I'm also now starting to question and doubt Horgan...a player who started off so brightly for us this season, but has either dropped off or found his true level. His all action style is reminiscent of Murray, whom Neil Lennon quickly off-loaded....headless chicken is a trifle unfair but he's not far off being one.

That's a fair summary the midfield is not good enough in both creating for the forwards or controlling the game. Milligan aside who I think is excellent

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**~~The 90+2~~** · 10-11-2018 07:18 AM

There’s a player in Horgan without a doubt. Chopping and changing everything all the time helps nobody either. Top 6 squad at best. I really wish lessons would have been learned by before but it seems back to good old mediocrity. At least we won the cup though so bring it on 😀

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 10-11-2018 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by 90+2

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There’s a player in Horgan without a doubt. Chopping and changing everything all the time helps nobody either. Top 6 squad at best. I really wish lessons would have been learned by before but it seems back to good old mediocrity. At least we won the cup though so bring it on ��

Horgan has something but what is Lennon seeing day in, day out that he does not start him? Sadly, I don't think any of our summer recruits have improved us at all, hence we are relying on Slivka's, Boyles, Stevensons etc. Recruitment has been terrible. Maybe time for a fresh pair of eyes at that level?

***Jones28*** · 10-11-2018 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by 90+2

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There’s a player in Horgan without a doubt. Chopping and changing everything all the time helps nobody either. Top 6 squad at best. I really wish lessons would have been learned by before but it seems back to good old mediocrity. At least we won the cup though so bring it on 😀

I can't see it with Horgan. Flashes when he passes people but wants to skin everyone rather than just utilise his pace. I expected a lot more.

***J-C*** · 10-11-2018 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

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Horgan has something but what is Lennon seeing day in, day out that he does not start him? Sadly, I don't think any of our summer recruits have improved us at all, hence we are relying on Slivka's, Boyles, Stevensons etc. Recruitment has been terrible. Maybe time for a fresh pair of eyes at that level?

You cannot add Stevenson to the list of players not good enough, he's been plenty good enough this past 4-5 years, our problem has been not bringing in the quality to be anywhere good enough to make up for the loss of last seasons midfield. Milligan is a player and Mallan is still young but very talented, after that we struggle. Boyle needs a wee rest and I'm still to be convinced with Horgan.

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 10-11-2018 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by J-C

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You cannot add Stevenson to the list of players not good enough, he's been plenty good enough this past 4-5 years, our problem has been not bringing in the quality to be anywhere good enough to make up for the loss of last seasons midfield. Milligan is a player and Mallan is still young but very talented, after that we struggle. Boyle needs a wee rest and I'm still to be convinced with Horgan.

Surely you can add every player to the list? Why should we not be recruiting a better left back? Why should we not be recruiting better than David Gray? Surely year on year we want to see better players.

our recruitment has been awful.

I'd like to see Horgan on left wing, Boyle on right wing and Flo thru middle.

***J-C*** · 10-11-2018 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

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Surely you can add every player to the list? Why should we not be recruiting a better left back? Why should we not be recruiting better than David Gray? Surely year on year we want to see better players.

our recruitment has been awful.

I'd like to see Horgan on left wing, Boyle on right wing and Flo thru middle.

I never said not recruit better but in this moment people like Stevenson and Gray are the least of our worries because they're fairly consistent good players, we're talking about the ones that aren't.

**Nicho87** · 10-11-2018 07:43 AM

Too much dead wood in the squad for me now or players that aren’t going to challenge for first 11 jerseys.

laidlaw
nelom
marvais
slivka
lewis allan
oli shaw
horgan

i wouldn’t lose sleep over letting go now.

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 10-11-2018 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Nicho87

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Too much dead wood in the squad for me now or players that aren’t going to challenge for first 11 jerseys.

laidlaw
nelom
marvais
slivka
lewis allan
oli shaw
horgan

i wouldn’t lose sleep over letting go now.

Fair point. None of them started last night tho and that is the worry. Lennon does not see any of these as better than last nights starting 11. I'd add Hyndman to the list.

**Greenbeard** · 10-11-2018 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

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Boyle. Anonymous again. Championship player.

Nah, can't agree with that. Slivka was the anonymous one. Boyle sadly was worse than that last night.

***Golden Bear*** · 10-11-2018 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Nicho87

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Too much dead wood in the squad for me now or players that aren’t going to challenge for first 11 jerseys.

laidlaw
nelom
marvais
slivka
lewis allan
oli shaw
horgan

i wouldn’t lose sleep over letting go now.

I've not seen enough of the lad to provide an expert opinion but from what I have seen he certainly deserves his chance.

***Smartie*** · 10-11-2018 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Golden Bear

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I've not seen enough of the lad to provide an expert opinion but from what I have seen he certainly deserves his chance.

He's impressed me.

Good attitude, gets stuck in.

**Cod Boy** · 10-11-2018 08:01 AM

One positive from last night is the scapegoat Steven Whittaker isn’t getting the usual grief he normally gets.

***Brightside*** · 10-11-2018 08:09 AM

The state of this.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 10-11-2018 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by underscore

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The state of this.

Do you not agree that there’s players in our squad who aren’t good enough? And more worryingly, players in our squad that pretty much have to play because our recruitment has been poor this window?

***Carheenlea*** · 10-11-2018 08:35 AM

I think we have a more than decent squad of players, but the problem is that if we have two or three players putting in average performances we don’t have enough individuals with that extra bit of quality that can carry that and keep the team ticking over. McGinn, McGeouch and Allan had that and could carry the team and create game changing opportunities. To get results this term it requires the whole team to play to the standards they are capable of.

***Brightside*** · 10-11-2018 08:46 AM

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Do you not agree that there’s players in our squad who aren’t good enough? And more worryingly, players in our squad that pretty much have to play because our recruitment has been poor this window?

Well according to the experts that’s about 8 players that are now hopeless.

A few games ago the same players were world beaters.

**~~cleanyman~~** · 10-11-2018 08:49 AM

Too many players are off form

Its a recipe for disaster

***Brooster*** · 10-11-2018 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Nicho87

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Too much dead wood in the squad for me now or players that aren’t going to challenge for first 11 jerseys.

laidlaw
nelom
marvais
slivka
lewis allan
oli shaw
horgan

i wouldn’t lose sleep over letting go now.

You can add Marciano, Bartley, Stevenson,Hyndman, Whittaker and McLaren. None of these players will take us forward.