Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[One Day Soon]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I think the DWP deserve the criticism and rightly so, they are a Tory government department. But at the same time the SNP have had the ability to take over the welfare payment system in Scotland but have failed to so do, they have even asked the Tories to keep administering it for them on their behalf. That also deserves some criticism as well does it not? If they had the chance to take it out the hands of their tories in 2017 then they should have. They could have implemented their fairness, dignity and respect much sooner and as you say that's a good thing.

So both the Tories and SNP could have done better on this episode.

That will never do.

[JeMeSouviens]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I think the DWP deserve the criticism and rightly so, they are a Tory government department. But at the same time the SNP have had the ability to take over the welfare payment system in Scotland but have failed to so do, they have even asked the Tories to keep administering it for them on their behalf. That also deserves some criticism as well does it not? If they had the chance to take it out the hands of their tories in 2017 then they should have. They could have implemented their fairness, dignity and respect much sooner and as you say that's a good thing.

So both the Tories and SNP could have done better on this episode.

But more the SNP surely, John?

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I think the DWP deserve the criticism and rightly so, they are a Tory government department. But at the same time the SNP have had the ability to take over the welfare payment system in Scotland but have failed to so do, they have even asked the Tories to keep administering it for them on their behalf. That also deserves some criticism as well does it not? If they had the chance to take it out the hands of their tories in 2017 then they should have. They could have implemented their fairness, dignity and respect much sooner and as you say that's a good thing.

So both the Tories and SNP could have done better on this episode.

So you want us to take over the running of a failed system, rather than taking time to get it right.

Theirs a jolly good chap.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

But more the SNP surely, John?

Well no, but I think it's reasonable if we are to call out a failed process it's also fair to call out the Scottish Government had the ability to take over this process and completely overhaul it but has failed to do so, and has asked the failing department on this case to keep administering the payments even longer.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

So you want us to take over the running of a failed system, rather than taking time to get it right.

Theirs a jolly good chap.

No, why did the SNP not implement their own welfare payment system in 2017 when they could have?

You know you can criticise the SNP, I don't think Nicola reads Hibs.net.

[JeMeSouviens]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Well no, but I think it's reasonable if we are to call out a failed process it's also fair to call out the Scottish Government had the ability to take over this process and completely overhaul it but has failed to do so, and has asked the failing department on this case to keep administering the payments even longer.

Presumably they weren't ready. Which may be a major failing on their part (I don't know) but I'd much rather they prepare properly and take over with a fully functioning system than take over with something half-arsed that leaves recipients suffering in the meantime.

[One Day Soon]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

No, why did the SNP not implement their own welfare payment system in 2017 when they could have?

You know you can criticise the SNP, I don't think Nicola reads Hibs.net.

They don't do things in a hurry - like taking over Prestwick Airport - they take their time and get it right, like payments to farmers.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

No, why did the SNP not implement their own welfare payment system in 2017 when they could have?

You know you can criticise the SNP, I don't think Nicola reads Hibs.net.

It's simple really, the system is so ****ed, it'll take a while to get it right.

Carers payments made. Check

Best start grants to be paid in December(6 months earlier than planned). Check

Changes to your failed universal credit system in place. Check.

We are only getting 15% of welfare powers, and we'll do it correctly from the start, rather than follow your failed system.

If only the Tories had listened to us when we said the universal credit roll out was underfunded and failing.

They didn't care, didn't listen, and decided to roll it out and cut it further.

This is your parties policies in action, and all you want to do is shout SNP baaaad.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They don't do things in a hurry - like taking over Prestwick Airport - they take their time and get it right, like payments to farmers.

We can't pay the farmers, due to the money having gone to English farmers instead. 😩

Another Tory hijack.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Presumably they weren't ready. Which may be a major failing on their part (I don't know) but I'd much rather they prepare properly and take over with a fully functioning system than take over with something half-arsed that leaves recipients suffering in the meantime.

Your right, it has been a major failing on their part as they have had reasonable time to implement their own welfare system but were not ready.

[JeMeSouviens]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Your right, it has been a major failing on their part as they have had reasonable time to implement their own welfare system but were not ready.

Oh right, I didn't realise you were an internationally renowned expert on government administration.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

It's simple really, the system is so ****ed, it'll take a while to get it right.

Carers payments made. Check

Best start grants to be paid in December(6 months earlier than planned). Check

Changes to your failed universal credit system in place. Check.

We are only getting 15% of welfare powers, and we'll do it correctly from the start, rather than follow your failed system.

If only the Tories had listened to us when we said the universal credit roll out was underfunded and failing.

They didn't care, didn't listen, and decided to roll it out and cut it further.

This is your parties policies in action, and all you want to do is shout SNP baaaad.

But the SNP could have implemented everything in 24 months if there had been a Yes vote in 2014. Wonder how that would have turned out.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Oh right, I didn't realise you were an internationally renowned expert on government administration.

No, I stick to estimating crowds for my internationally renowned expertise.

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They don't do things in a hurry - like taking over Prestwick Airport - they take their time and get it right, like payments to farmers.

They've been working on this one since 2011. It might have been a lie though.


SNP pledge.jpg

[Moulin Yarns]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

No, why did the SNP not implement their own welfare payment system in 2017 when they could have?

You know you can criticise the SNP, I don't think Nicola reads Hibs.net.

I wouldn't be too sure about the last bit. Her husband supports Hibs so may well pass on any criticism he reads on here.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

But the SNP could have implemented everything in 24 months if there had been a Yes vote in 2014. Wonder how that would have turned out.

Standard deflection from you.

Universal credit is underfunded, slow in paying out, and people are dying waiting.

You seem happy with that though eh.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They've been working on this one since 2011. It might have been a lie though.


SNP pledge.jpg

Still working on those classroom sizes as well, been quite a few years now though....

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They've been working on this one since 2011. It might have been a lie though.


SNP pledge.jpg

We were voted down on this in parliament. It's democracy old chum. But you knew that anyway didn't you.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Standard deflection from you.

Universal credit is underfunded, slow inn paying out, and people are dying waiting.

You seem happy with that though eh.

Ironic you accusing me of deflection, having read your many posts maybe I picked up something from the master.

[johnbc70]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We were voted down on this in parliament. It's democracy old chum. But you knew that anyway didn't you.

Were you voted down on classroom sizes as well? Don't think so.

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We were voted down on this in parliament. It's democracy old chum. But you knew that anyway didn't you.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Ironic you accusing me of deflection, having read your many posts maybe I picked up something from the master.

😂 I though I was on a Tory thread as well.

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

We can't pay the farmers, due to the money having gone to English farmers instead. ��

Another Tory hijack.

I suppose that's a better excuse than the 'our expensive IT system has been a total cock up' one used in previous years.Although that wasn't an excuse. The Scottish Government had cocked up.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I suppose that's a better excuse than the 'our expensive IT system has been a total cock up' one used in previous years.

And you on another thread complaining about it being hijacked.

Oh the irony.

😉

It's like Tory John's got you on speed dial.

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

And you on another thread complaining about it being hijacked.

Oh the irony.

😉

Ah, I get it, let's pretend that didn't happen. Shhhhhhh.
It's a thread about politicians telling lies and breaking promises isn't it? Tory, SNP.....all the same to me.

[JeMeSouviens]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Ah, I get it, let's pretend that didn't happen. Shhhhhhh.
It's a thread about politicians telling lies and breaking promises isn't it? Tory, SNP.....all the same to me.

Actually, if you go back to the original post, it's a thread that shows that while all politicians tell some lies, Tories tell almost nothing but lies!

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Actually, if you go back to the original post, it's a thread that shows that while all politicians tell some lies, Tories tell almost nothing but lies!

😊

Tories are lying *******s, now back to them lying to the disabled, and underfunding universal credit.

[marinello59]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Actually, if you go back to the original post, it's a thread that shows that while all politicians tell some lies, Tories tell almost nothing but lies!

Fair point.

[One Day Soon]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They've been working on this one since 2011. It might have been a lie though.


SNP pledge.jpg

That's a bit harsh, surely they've just been too busy 'Locking the Tories out of No.10'. That's going extremely well.

[ronaldo7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

That's a bit harsh, surely they've just been too busy 'Locking the Tories out of No.10'. That's going extremely well.

Of all the Snp bashing threads in all the world, and you pick this one. 😂

I thought you'd hijacked the Jerusalem thread with your mention of unionists, and got away with it too.

Yes, it was £160 million stolen from Scottish farmers.