Tommy Robinson

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Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

[Killiehibbie]

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Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

Maybe Paul Harris is his real name.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...l?guccounter=1

[Allant1981]

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Anyone know why he changed his name? Something to do with football hooliganism?

im sure he claimed he changed it to stop threats against him

[Lendo]

I assumed it was to make him sound more working class. A double-barrelled name like Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon probably doesn't resonate as well in poorer areas.

[Slavers]

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I assumed it was to make him sound more working class. A double-barrelled name like Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon probably doesn't resonate as well in poorer areas.

For me that's a tell tale sign, could he have picked a name more working class than good ol Tommy Robinson? Nope. Agent Tommy Robinson!

[Slavers]

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please tell me you are kidding with all this? he is no more an agent of a faction within israel than i am, he is a jumped up ned who got publicity for being a racist and a football hooligan

He has admitted he is a Zionest, you could argue by doing so he already represents a faction within Israel.

[CropleyWasGod]

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He has admitted he is a Zionest, you could argue by doing so he already represents a faction within Israel.

I'm giggling at the thought of Mossad agents identifying themselves to others with a badge that says " I am a Zionist".

In TR's case, he should also have a badge that says " don't know what I want, but I know how to get it."

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[Chic Murray]

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I'm struggling with the idea that we are influenced by Bob Geldof.

I got it more than thirty years ago when LiveAid happened. I can understand he had an influence before that with the Boomtown Rats. I'm not sure what substantive influence he has had since then?

Also, who are these 'lefty champagne socialists' and on what basis do they form a 'liberal elite'? Explain your workings rather than sloganising.

He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

[Slavers]

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He did organise the G8 Make Poverty History stuff, his lasting legacy is Bono with that hand clapping regime, and Pink Floyd's last ever gig. Other than that the man has contributed hee haw by leaving a bigger mess than he walked into.

It's ironic who ends up with the saint status, and who is overlooked. John Lydon took pelters for criticising BG in 1984, pointing out that the was going over the head of more organised charities. Likewise, it was he that announced on air that Saville was a paedophile, and ended up banned by the BBC for many years.

I think the point I'm trying to make is people need to look beyond the headline grabbing face, and work out what is really going on. And, it's a tragedy that was the last time we saw the Floyd together.

Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

[IGRIGI]

What has he said that is racist?

[Chic Murray]

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Bob Geldoff was sailing down the Thames telling Fishermen to **** off!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/lo...the-referendum

He really made a fool of himself with that one.

[LiverpoolHibs]

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This is an interesting post and one that resonates in the current social environment.

I think some of what you observe is a reaction to the constant left wing (London Bubble) narrative that currently dominates the main stream media outlets. Social media and YouTube is pretty much the only place where you will find any kind of 'right wing' discussion going without the presenters or commentators shouting it down and labeling it the far right.

From that point you then you get people like Tommy Robinson stepping in to fill in that gap of discussion. I think Tommy Robinson is a Zionist shill put in place and given a platform to scapegoat Islam and keep the people's eyes away from Israel's involvement with mass immigration into Europe from the middle east and north africa.

The average working class man see's no benefit to his environment from mass immigration, he see's crime going up, towns and cities being segregated along ethic lines, demographic of city's and towns changing rapidly and the resulting white flight from these areas. A lot of the working class peoples experience of mass immigration are far removed from the Liberal elites of London and its not often a positive experience. So they take to social media to complain.

It works both ways though, people on the far left will chant slogans such as i love refugees. Well how can you love refugees? They are not all the same, not one big block of people who think and act the same way. There are good and bad in all groups of people and saying i love all or i hate all is no good.

And i think that is the problem, a disconnect between ideology and reality from both sides.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jys7jbVccrU

Johnny Gats stuff is pretty on point.

So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

[matty_f]

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So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

That's a good question, Scouse.

I don't imagine when the site was set up to discuss Hibs that the thought really occurred to anyone that we'd have users moronic enough to get involved in promoting that sort of *****.

[Ozymandias]

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What has he said that is racist?

Is that a serious question? Or are you on another of your trolling trips?

[Chic Murray]

At the end of the day, everybody should be free to express their opinions, and everybody should be free to show them up for what they are.

Where do we get without debate?

If you want to know who controls you, find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

Personally, I find the utterings of extremists, when they think they are being reasonable and informed, to be extremely amusing. Kind of humanises them.

[HelmutSchlong]

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Is that a serious question? Or are you on another of your trolling trips?

Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

[matty_f]

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Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

https://resistinghate.org/tommy-robinson-and-his-hate-tweets/


This was the first hit on Google.

[Ozymandias]

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Perhaps you could answer the mans question or do you have nothing to counter his post?

OK.

“I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.”
“Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.”
“Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.”

I also think he is a very clever guy. His leadership and speeches nearly always can be turned into a quasi-liberal stance, while the clear message and those espoused by the EDL are in anyones analysis racist as hell.

Further, his rhetoric against Islam as a whole takes away the focus on some real issues with Islam in detail - women's rights, "rape-gangs", radicalisation etc. Defending Tommy Robinson as as some kind of working class hero gives him and his followers an entirely undeserved legitimacy.

[HelmutSchlong]

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OK.

“I'd personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back if I could. Fake refugees.”
“Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough.”
“Every single Muslim watching this…on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end…and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.”

I also think he is a very clever guy. His leadership and speeches nearly always can be turned into a quasi-liberal stance, while the clear message and those espoused by the EDL are in anyones analysis racist as hell.

Further, his rhetoric against Islam as a whole takes away the focus on some real issues with Islam in detail - women's rights, "rape-gangs", radicalisation etc. Defending Tommy Robinson as as some kind of working class hero gives him and his followers an entirely undeserved legitimacy.

Ok could you not have just said that to begin with instead of trying to be a wideo?

[Ozymandias]

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Ok could you not have just said that to begin with instead of trying to be a wideo?

Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

[CropleyWasGod]

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Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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[HelmutSchlong]

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Wideo?
Nice retro insult.
Anyway, no, the post warranted a query as (a) he/she is something of a troll and (b) it was a question of profound stupidity

If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

[Pretty Boy]

The whole argument about Robinson being a racist or otherwise is somewhat irrelevant.

He’s one of those obsessive single issue punters and they almost always display a fair level of prejudice and/or can be proven to be hypocrites to varying extents.

Robinson ‘exposes’ paedophile gangs but the gangs he chooses to investigate and expose are exclusively Muslim. There’s been ongoing investigations for years into pretty sophisticated online paedophile communities containing individuals of various ethnicities and religious beliefs yet I can’t recall him reporting on this. He condemns Muslim violence, admittedly pretty horrific violence, but threatens retaliatory violence and has been involved in violence throughout much of his adult life. Robinson is anti immigration but despite the fact the largest foreign born groups living in the UK include people from Ireland, Germany, the USA, Jamaica, South Africa, Kenya, Australia, Italy, Hong Kong and France he focuses almost exclusively on those from the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East who’s familial or personal religious belief is that of Islam. I can’t recall him rallying against the religious extremism propagated by an organisation such as Catholic Truth who published an article on the horror of child abuse within the Church but dismissed the problem because the victims were all ‘post pubescent boys’ so it ‘isn’t really a paedophile scandal’ and real problem is ‘gay Priests’. Radio silence. I wonder if we would have heard comment from him had an extremist Muslim group written similar?

The strange thing about him is he almost drifts into counter arguing himself at times, here’s a couple of quotes from him:

‘For me, the government’s worse than extremist Muslims. Look at our foreign policy, look at what we’ve done to Libya, look at Iraq. It was an illegal war. Look at Syria – I think we should have ****ing left it alone. When they invaded those countries and killed those innocent people, we – the people of this town – faced the backlash when people were radicalised.

‘A lot of people know what the state’s up to. The state radicalised Jihadi John. If I was Muslim and I was treated the way some Muslims are treated by the government, I’d ****ing join Isis.’

That to me suggests he understand that the extreme, radical, call it what you will version of Islam isn’t an inherent trait of the religion or it’s followers but rather a reaction to ill thought out geopolitics by disenfranchised and angry young people, arguably not too dissimilar to many of the people attracted to himself or his movements.

I struggle to decide if he’s a clever guy confused and blinded by his own prejudices or just an angry loudmouth who’s scattergun approach means he contradicts himself.

[Hiber-nation]

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If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

I think I've seen this wideo before.....

[Mibbes Aye]

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Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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I know this is meant to be a serious thread about a serious matter but i laughed.

[Ozymandias]

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If you believe him to be a troll then why give him the attention he craves?

A misplaced sense of hope.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Wideo killed the wadio star, no?

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The mind Buggles!

[wpj]

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The mind Buggles!

Yes!!!

[wpj]

Seriously though I am genuinely gobsmacked at some of the apologist pish on here but I will always defend the right for people to post.

[Slavers]

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So what Home Team is involved in here is an intra-fascist squabble between those who have dropped (or probably more accurately, pretended to drop) anti-Semitism in favour of Islamophobia and a pivot towards Israel and those, like his bud Johnny Gats, who are still sticking staunchly to Jew-hatred.

What are the forum rules on promoting the work of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers, by the way?

I think you are being a little melodramatic here. I'm hardly involved with an intra-fascist squabble, I'm merely an observer. Granted I may have jumped the gun with calling Johnny Gats stuff being on point, I don't really know if it is. But for me 'Tommy Robinson' ticks all the boxes for an agent provocateur and his video on Tommy held similar views.

As for all the jew hatred well I don't agree with that at all, I have already stated that there are good and bad in all groups of people and that will include jews, Christians, muslim's etc etc

I look at the world like how a man would observe ants working and serving their queen. I'm just observing and passing comment on what I see.