(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Slavers]

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What's a trans costume?

Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume.

Many examples here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ

[CropleyWasGod]

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I don't see the trans movement as being deserving of the amount of attention it receives for the media or virtue signalling politicians.

Here is the video i watched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ

OK so you're a transphobe. Understood.

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[bigwheel]

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I don't see the trans movement as being deserving of the amount of attention it receives for the media or virtue signalling politicians.

Here is the video i watched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ

"Virtue signalling" used as a negative context.....Sort of gives away your opinions without any other comment.


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[Slavers]

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"Virtue signalling" used as a negative context.....Sort of gives away your opinions without any other comment.


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Does it really? Can you please tell me in what situation you can use virtue signalling in a positive context?

[Ozymandias]

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Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume.

Many examples here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ

So cross dreasing then. Not anything to do with transgender.

[weecounty hibby]

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So cross dreasing then. Not anything to do with transgender.

Yeah but the chances are that he dislikes both of these groups!

[Slavers]

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So cross dreasing then. Not anything to do with transgender.

No i think you will find that trans people do not consider themselves as cross dressers and most would find it very insulting to be called that! Are you sure its not you who holds the ignorant views when thinking of the trans movement?

[Slavers]

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Yeah but the chances are that he dislikes both of these groups!

The ignorance is strong with you.

[weecounty hibby]

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The ignorance is strong with you.

No, from the posts that you have been putting up here I would suggest you are the ignorant and intolerant one

[Slavers]

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No, from the posts that you have been putting up here I would suggest you are the ignorant and intolerant one

Not at all, mines are based on who is attending the anti trump protests.

I have no beef with trans people but i think they get fair too much coverage in the media and politicians. That's not being intolerant.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Not at all, mines is based on who is attending the anti trump protests.

I have not beef with trans people but i think they get fair too much coverage in the media and politicians. That's not being intolerant.

Are you saying that trans people have no reason to be at the protests?

And how much coverage would be appropriate?

[Ozymandias]

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No i think you will find that trans people do not consider themselves as cross dressers and most would find it very insulting to be called that! Are you sure its not you who holds the ignorant views when thinking of the trans movement?

OK I'm confused. I asked you what a trans costume was. You replied: "Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume"

So I ask again, what is a trans costume, with you having so effectively argued against your own point in the reply quoted above.

[bigwheel]

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Does it really? Can you please tell me in what situation you can use virtue signalling in a positive context?

It's your implication that these politicians don't have genuine virtue...and your offence at support for some minorities that strikes the negative context for me

[Slavers]

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Are you saying that trans people have no reason to be at the protests?

And how much coverage would be appropriate?

Are you doing a Cathy Newman impression? No I did not say that, i merely pointed out that they make up a fair number of the anti trump protestors, along with communists and middle class virtue signalling protestors.

The way the media paints the picture is that these people represent the views of the nation and they do not and they are far from it IMO.

[Slavers]

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It's your implication that these politicians don't have genuine virtue...and your offence at support for some minorities that strikes the negative context for me

No i think your jumping the gun. I didnt say trans people should not get support, i said the level of attention from politicians and the media is too much.

[bigwheel]

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No i think your jumping the gun. I didnt say trans people should not get support, i said the level of attention from politicians and the media is too much.

Why does it bother you? Ps not jumping the gun..you are implying "faux- virtue" from some...


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[Slavers]

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OK I'm confused. I asked you what a trans costume was. You replied: "Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume"

So I ask again, what is a trans costume, with you having so effectively argued against your own point in the reply quoted above.

A trans costume would be something is not normal daily clothing. It exaggerates certain features or have a certain theme, usually very sexualized with over the top make up.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Are you doing a Cathy Newman impression? No I did not say that, i merely pointed out that they make up a fair number of the anti trump protestors, along with communists and middle class virtue signalling protestors.

The way the media paints the picture is that these people represent the views of the nation and they do not and they are far from it IMO.

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No i think your jumping the gun. I didnt say trans people should not get support, i said the level of attention from politicians and the media is too much.

I think you misunderstood my question.

What would be an appropriate level of attention for trans men and women, and their rights?

[Slavers]

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I think you misunderstood my question.

What would be an appropriate level of attention for trans men and women, and their rights?

Id say when it gets to the point where children are having sex changes before they are allowed to grow up and also giving children drugs that stop puberty so they can 'make their mind up' about whether or not they are trans is a sign that the trans movement / agenda is getting too much sway with politician's.

[Ozymandias]

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A trans costume would be something is not normal daily clothing. It exaggerates certain features or have a certain theme, usually very sexualized with over the top make up.

You clearly do not have the first scooby what you're on about. If you're going to troll, at least be consistent.

[Slavers]

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You clearly do not have the first scooby what you're on about. If you're going to troll, at least be consistent.

I have described a costume. I'm not sure what else you are looking for.

[Ozymandias]

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Id say when it gets to the point where children are having sex changes before they are allowed to grow up and also giving children drugs that stop puberty so they can 'make their mind up' about whether or not they are trans is a sign that the trans movement / agenda is getting too much sway with politician's.

Care to give an example of where these specific points have held sway with a politician?

[CropleyWasGod]

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I have described a costume. I'm not sure what else you are looking for.

You described an outfit worn by someone of any gender or sexuality taking part in Pride, perhaps clubbing, or on a protest march like this. It's hardly a "trans costume".

The transgender people I know wear the type of clothing that you or I would wear.

Just so you know.

[Smartie]

Can I ask a silly question?

Does the term "trans" refer to transsexual (ie someone who has had a sex change operation) or transvestite (as I understand it a man who dresses as a woman, without having had any form of surgery to change their gender)?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Can I ask a silly question?

Does the term "trans" refer to transsexual (ie someone who has had a sex change operation) or transvestite (as I understand it a man who dresses as a woman, without having had any form of surgery to change their gender)?

These days, it refers to one who is a different gender from that with which they were born. Transgender.

"Transvestite" has been replaced by "cross-dressing", to avoid the confusion you mention.

[Ozymandias]

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Can I ask a silly question?

Does the term "trans" refer to transsexual (ie someone who has had a sex change operation) or transvestite (as I understand it a man who dresses as a woman, without having had any form of surgery to change their gender)?

Now commonly taken to refer transgender (either post or pre-op), and specifically concerned with an individuals gender identification. Transvestite isn't really used nowadays - cross dressing or drag more commonly describes wearing clothes associated with the opposite gender.

[Smartie]

Thank you both for the clarification.

I wonder if this fairly easily made mistake is to blame for some of what we see higher up this page?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Your know where a man wears make up and unicorn wings with a little mini skirt on and try's to walk like a woman wearing high heels and ripped tights, that kind of trans costume. It is a costume.

Many examples here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime_dame

[CropleyWasGod]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime_dame

That's 2 mentions tonight for Stanley Baxter

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[Sir David Gray]

I'm no fan of Donald Trump but if we can welcome the leaders of countries such as China and Saudi Arabia to the UK, who are responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet, and on a scale that is far worse than anything that Donald Trump has ever done, then I'm sure I'll cope with the President of the USA being in the country for a few days.

Where were all the mass protests when we had the visit from Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudi Arabia earlier this year or when President Xi Jinping of China came over in 2015? The governments of both of these countries allow atrocities to be committed against their own people on a daily basis and yet I don't remember their presence in the UK causing such controversy.

Some people really need to get a grip.