'Football Lads Alliance'

[bigwheel]

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Christ that was quick!

Ha. Got a notification

[andybev1]

I got one with the words from the guy 'kick racism out of football', the smug little ******* would have got told to bolt had I not thought he was one of the other people handing out leaflets - my partner who is Indian took the leaflet and when I took it from her I could see it was from these ****bags - just threw it away.

[Jack]

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Agree on one level but Hibs with its amazing history and us as a community of fans should always look out for ideologies which seek to demonise certain communites.

Hibernian Football Club ply their trade in what is possibly one of the most diverse areas in the country and beyond.

We are recognised as having an ethos that is open and welcoming to all.

I think it's unlikely our support think any differently and as such groups like FLA would have slim pickings if they attempted to infiltrate. And, if by chance, any Hibs supporter was demonstrating or acting outwith the ethos of the club they will be challenged by their peers without the need for any anti-anything being involved. It's happened in the resent past, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't happen in the future.

[Hibbyradge]

STAND UP TO RACISM SCOTLAND STATEMENT ON FOOTBALL LADS ALLIANCE
Urgent call to support the “Football for All - No to Racism, No to Islamophobia!' unity event on November 25th, assemble 9.30am Edinburgh

We are deeply concerned by the news that the Football Lads Alliance (FLA) are set to march alongside Veterans Against Terrorism on Saturday 25 November in Edinburgh.

The FLA’s founder John Meighan has been in Scotland on a recruitment drive to drum up support for his organisation amongst football fans from Scotland’s biggest clubs. His organisation was founded in the wake of the terror attack at London Bridge. Millions of people were horrified by the attacks at London Bridge, Westminster, Manchester Arena, Parsons Green and at Finsbury Park Mosque.

The FLA claim they oppose extremism and terrorism and that they are not racist. But their track record contradicts their claim not to be racist.

They have now organised two big mobilisations in London. On their first demo some of the key speakers were linked to far-right groups, including Toni Bugle spoke a former candidate for the English Democrats, a party full of ex-BNP members. On the second demo on 7 October in London the same speakers were billed to speak, but were then pulled for “PR reasons”. The ex-leader of the English Defence League (EDL) Tommy Robinson was a popular figure on the demo.

The shadow home secretary Diane Abbott was attacked from the platform on 7 October – for signing a statement expressing concern at where the FLA is heading.

The FLA’s Facebook page has constantly seen regular posts from known far-right figures, with posts openly calling for “civil war” to deal with Muslims. The racist and Islamophobic posts on the page were one reason why the veterans’ charity Walking with the Wounded pulled support for the FLA’s second demonstration.

Since then Meighan has wished “good luck” to a far-right, Islamophobic demo at the East London Mosque and the FLA have promoted an Islamophobic demo outside the BBC in London.

Within the ranks of the FLA are neo-Nazis who are trying to create a racist and Islamophobic street movement. On their second demo in London on October 7th, between 15 to 20,000 people took part from dozens of clubs across Britain.

The whole Muslim community is the target for such demos, despite the fact that every major Muslim organisation condemned the attacks in London and Manchester. This is at a time when hate crimes against Muslims are rising at a dramatic rate.

We know that the vast majority of football supporters oppose racism and that clubs have invested much time and effort in supporting anti-racist initiatives. But we are deeply worried that some on the extreme racist and fascist right are attempting to use the FLA to win an audience for their political agenda.

We have to ask why an organisation that says it is not racist has failed to deal with the far right racists it is obviously attracting. The FLA leadership is opening the door to those who want to divide us all.

It will not be lost on trade unionists that this date has been chosen when the Scottish Trades Union Congress hold their annual anti-racist St Andrews Day march and rally in Glasgow. We wish this all success.

We believe that, like the whole of society, football is for everyone, women and men, black and white, LGBT+ or straight, people of all religions or none.

We urgently call on all of goodwill to join us on the Stand up to Racism 'Football for All - No to Racism, No to Islamophobia!' unity event on November 25th in Edinburgh to take a positive anti-racist message onto the streets and protest against Islamophobia and racism.

We would like football supporters, trade unionists, political parties and their representatives, religious groups, campaign groups and anti-racists to turn-out in numbers to show that Edinburgh is a welcoming place for all, whether that is on the terraces or streets.

To help build for this Stand up to Racism is calling a Day of Action to leaflet football clubs across Scotland on Saturday 18th November, from Aberdeen, to Dundee, to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Stand up to Racism, Scotland

[MKHIBEE]

I was at the Crewe v Lincoln game today and a couple of guys tried to unfurl a football lads alliance flag among the lincoln fans. The flag also had a Charlton Crest on it. Ther were told to bolt.The guy next to me just kept shouting St Pauli,St Pauli at them. Great response I thought.

[Navids Numpties]

Bet you have to be one proper hard guy to label yourself a football lad.

[The Leith Dutch]

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Bet you have to be one proper hard guy to label yourself a football lad.

They're defo hard of thinking....

[basehibby]

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Absolutely nailed on that you think 9/11 was an inside job.

...which anyone paying attention who doesn't have a head full of sawdust or a severe case of cognitive dissonance will have long since come to accept as the most probable explanation for the extraordinary events of that day.

The events which have followed on from 911 and the inability of our and other governments to come up with strategies to cope with the resultant refugee crisis - or the backlash from islamic extremists - have led directly to the formation of groups like Football Lads Alliance.

The tone of their rhetoric is actually quite positive - rejecting all forms of extremism - however they seem to be attracting the same kind of followers as the likes of the EDL which makes you wonder. Regardless, these groups are filling a vacuum created by a head in the sand attitude from governments towards the problems they have helped create through deliberate policies of "regime change" in the middle east. Take a bow Tony Blair and George W Bush and your great armies of apologists in the media and beyond.

[linlithgowhibbie]

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...which anyone paying attention who doesn't have a head full of sawdust or a severe case of cognitive dissonance will have long since come to accept as the most probable explanation for the extraordinary events of that day.

The events which have followed on from 911 and the inability of our and other governments to come up with strategies to cope with the resultant refugee crisis - or the backlash from islamic extremists - have led directly to the formation of groups like Football Lads Alliance.

The tone of their rhetoric is actually quite positive - rejecting all forms of extremism - however they seem to be attracting the same kind of followers as the likes of the EDL which makes you wonder. Regardless, these groups are filling a vacuum created by a head in the sand attitude from governments towards the problems they have helped create through deliberate policies of "regime change" in the middle east. Take a bow Tony Blair and George W Bush and your great armies of apologists in the media and beyond.

"Inside job" get a life!

[basehibby]

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"Inside job" get a life!

There speaks a voice of ignorance.

I have got a life - some of which I've chosen to spend researching the myriad of questions surrounding the single most significant historical event of my life time. I'll wager that you haven't bothered your arse.

This is a football forum though - suffice to say I don't support the Football Lads Alliance but recognise that they are asking questions which should not be ignored re the threat of Islamist terrorism in the modern world.

[Ozymandias]

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There speaks a voice of ignorance.

I have got a life - some of which I've chosen to spend researching the myriad of questions surrounding the single most significant historical event of my life time. I'll wager that you haven't bothered your arse.

This is a football forum though - suffice to say I don't support the Football Lads Alliance but recognise that they are asking questions which should not be ignored re the threat of Islamist terrorism in the modern world.

I was over in New York a few weeks ago, and spent an afternoon at the 9/11 memorial and museum as it's a topic which is fascinating and massively important to an understanding of the world. When you really look at the conspiracy theories, they are pitifully easy to debunk. Without going too far off topic, to suggest it was an inside job is genuinely tinfoil hat stuff.

As for FLA, yes, in a democracy anyone can asks questions politically. I object to them using a sport which can be - when it's at it's best - a power for inclusiveness and genuine positive change as a vehicle to spout their divisive bollocks. I object even more to them bringing my team into this - a club that in comparison to most is a model for tolerance and community.

[Dashing Bob S]

Beer titted alliance.

[basehibby]

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I was over in New York a few weeks ago, and spent an afternoon at the 9/11 memorial and museum as it's a topic which is fascinating and massively important to an understanding of the world. When you really look at the conspiracy theories, they are pitifully easy to debunk. Without going too far off topic, to suggest it was an inside job is genuinely tinfoil hat stuff.

As for FLA, yes, in a democracy anyone can asks questions politically. I object to them using a sport which can be - when it's at it's best - a power for inclusiveness and genuine positive change as a vehicle to spout their divisive bollocks. I object even more to them bringing my team into this - a club that in comparison to most is a model for tolerance and community.

That's the thing though - the conspiracy theory that is the easiest to debunk is the official one. Not for a moment suggesting I have all the answers - but they have never been provided by anyone in officialdom either and questions will continue to be asked until such time as they are. Tinfoil hat stuff? I don't think so. If you want credulousness then look to those that swallow the whole official story hook line and sinker - more holes than a Swiss Cheese!

Agree re the FLA though.

[andybev1]

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I was over in New York a few weeks ago, and spent an afternoon at the 9/11 memorial and museum as it's a topic which is fascinating and massively important to an understanding of the world. When you really look at the conspiracy theories, they are pitifully easy to debunk. Without going too far off topic, to suggest it was an inside job is genuinely tinfoil hat stuff.

As for FLA, yes, in a democracy anyone can asks questions politically. I object to them using a sport which can be - when it's at it's best - a power for inclusiveness and genuine positive change as a vehicle to spout their divisive bollocks. I object even more to them bringing my team into this - a club that in comparison to most is a model for tolerance and community.

You are talking absolute nonsense -

Also, easy to debunk unlike the govt. NIST report? You are so wrong I despair for some peoples ignorance.

Calling people tin hat wearers is not an arguement, it is just old hat and lazy.

[fat freddy]

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I was over in New York a few weeks ago, and spent an afternoon at the 9/11 memorial and museum as it's a topic which is fascinating and massively important to an understanding of the world. When you really look at the conspiracy theories, they are pitifully easy to debunk. Without going too far off topic, to suggest it was an inside job is genuinely tinfoil hat stuff.

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Given your extensive knowledge of the subject maybe you could explain Building 7. I'm having a little trouble understanding how it fell. The American Architects Assocciation are a tad puzzled too

[Hibby70]

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Given your extensive knowledge of the subject maybe you could explain Building 7. I'm having a little trouble understanding how it fell. The American Architects Assocciation are a tad puzzled too

https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/world-trade-center-disaster-study

Knock yourself out.

[basehibby]

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https://www.nist.gov/topics/disaster-failure-studies/world-trade-center-disaster-study

Knock yourself out.

Oh yeah - thanks - that will add to the rigorous examination provided by equally scientific studies like this one here...

http://www.dltk-teach.com/rhymes/goldilocks_story.htm

[660]

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Oh yeah - thanks - that will add to the rigorous examination provided by equally scientific studies like this one here...

http://www.dltk-teach.com/rhymes/goldilocks_story.htm

Can you point to a legitimate academic piece of work that supports your view that 9/11 was an “inside job”? Thanks in advance.

[Oscar T Grouch]

If this is turning into a 911 thread can it be put in the holy ground?

[basehibby]

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Can you point to a legitimate academic piece of work that supports your view that 9/11 was an “inside job”? Thanks in advance.

How about these for starters:
http://911truth.org/academic-papers-on-911/

However, the burden of evidence does not lie with me my friend. I am merely pointing out the glaringly obvious fact that the NIST report is a pile of baloney seeking to support a fairy story. They didn't even bother their ***** to investigate the possibility of explosives being used - despite hundreds of witnesses (many of them on the spot first responders such as firemen and police) stating that they clearly heard multiple secondary explosions at the time of the "collapse" of all three buildings.

This together with such glaring anomalies as the aircraft flying way in excess of their maximum speed for such a low altitude - with the amatuers at the controls seemingly able to pull off stunning aeronautical manouvres that senior pilots would have struggled to achieve without the bloody wings falling off!

I could go on and on but this is a football forum - if you are genuinely interested then there is a wealth of information at your fingertips - please do spend some time looking into it.

[hibsbollah]

So to summarise, the Football Lads Alliance activity was a bit of a non story. But they did have a part to play in 9/11, and I know this because, having a law degree, I just know.

[basehibby]

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So to summarise, the Football Lads Alliance activity was a bit of a non story. But they did have a part to play in 9/11, and I know this because, having a law degree, I just know.

To summarise, some people are very quick to throw around "tin hat looney" accusations when they disagree with or are frightened by something. Football Lads/Man-Tits Alliances notwithstanding.

[Beefster]

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Oh yeah - thanks - that will add to the rigorous examination provided by equally scientific studies like this one here...

http://www.dltk-teach.com/rhymes/goldilocks_story.htm

"I'm only looking for answers to questions..."

[answers provided]

"Aye, but no those answers obviously."

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So to summarise, the Football Lads Alliance activity was a bit of a non story. But they did have a part to play in 9/11, and I know this because, having a law degree, I just know.

More pertinently, did they play a role in faking the moon landings?

[Pete]

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More pertinently, did they play a role in faking the moon landings?

Don’t be silly.

Some of them have history when it comes to getting angry and using planes to make a point.

[basehibby]

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"I'm only looking for answers to questions..."

[answers provided]

"Aye, but no those answers obviously."



More pertinently, did they play a role in faking the moon landings?

[andybev1]

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Can you point to a legitimate academic piece of work that supports your view that 9/11 was an “inside job”? Thanks in advance.

How about common sense

[andybev1]

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So to summarise, the Football Lads Alliance activity was a bit of a non story. But they did have a part to play in 9/11, and I know this because, having a law degree, I just know.

Obviously!

[Frazerbob]

I’m not daft enough to think that the government (ours and most others) don’t feed us minions what they want us to know. I was very critical of the role of the BBC in referendum for example. A right bloody stitch up that. However, how many people would need to be involved in such a complex and huge plan if 9/11 was an inside job? Surely one of them would’ve broken ranks by now.

[660]

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I’m not daft enough to think that the government (ours and most others) don’t feed us minions what they want us to know. I was very critical of the role of the BBC in referendum for example. A right bloody stitch up that. However, how many people would need to be involved in such a complex and huge plan if 9/11 was an inside job? Surely one of them would’ve broken ranks by now.

Haha that’s a good way of looking at it. The more I think about the logistics, planning and competence that would be required for such relatively little gain, it’s incredible anyone can believe this truther drivel.

[Pretty Boy]

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How about these for starters:
http://911truth.org/academic-papers-on-911/

However, the burden of evidence does not lie with me my friend. I am merely pointing out the glaringly obvious fact that the NIST report is a pile of baloney seeking to support a fairy story. They didn't even bother their ***** to investigate the possibility of explosives being used - despite hundreds of witnesses (many of them on the spot first responders such as firemen and police) stating that they clearly heard multiple secondary explosions at the time of the "collapse" of all three buildings.

This together with such glaring anomalies as the aircraft flying way in excess of their maximum speed for such a low altitude - with the amatuers at the controls seemingly able to pull off stunning aeronautical manouvres that senior pilots would have struggled to achieve without the bloody wings falling off!

I could go on and on but this is a football forum - if you are genuinely interested then there is a wealth of information at your fingertips - please do spend some time looking into it.

Surely if you are claiming the official story is a lie then the burden of evidence (proof?) lies very much with you?