Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Ozyhibby]

Reading through the SPFL statement it appears that so long as a club changes owners then no punishment can be handed out for bringing game into disrepute? There are contradictions everywhere in it as well but it will require better legal minds than mine to decipher it all.


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[MrSmith]

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Full press release here https://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-press-release-84/

Covered their combined ***** from 2010 onwards! Complete whitewash and complicit in nature.

[Hibeesforever]

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Covered their combined ***** from 2010 onwards! Complete whitewash and complicit in nature.

The notice talks about no further action due to a "finality in litgation". I am not a lawyer, although surely there is always scope for an appeal. Disgraceful the way the SPFL are abdicating their duty to foster fairness and justice.

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isn't an "independent review" a good idea or am I missing something

[Thecat23]

Corrupt league, always has been always will be. Every club including ours should be ashamed of themselves for not pursuing this as far as possible.

Actually disgusted by it all. Maybe we should just cheat like **** as well.

[MrSmith]

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The notice talks about no further action due to a "finality in litgation". I am not a lawyer, although surely there is always scope for an appeal. Disgraceful the way the SPFL are abdicating their duty to foster fairness and justice.

There must be room for a retrospective appeal/action. This is a scandal that needs those who initiated it to be brought to justice and charged appropriately. I think the only way forward is for fan action now. The SPFL statement goes past title stripping now into the realms of criminality.

Someone said earlier about abdication of responsibility, it is absolutely shameful! We can now be clear that our club were part of it.

[Keith_M]

The only posibility now of anything being done to strip titles is if Celtc decide to take this further.

[Ozyhibby]

Looking forward to hearing what Traceyhibs thinks will be getting discussed at the board meeting on Monday 31st. Looking very like our fans reps on the board are in the loop about as much as any of us.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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isn't an "independent review" a good idea or am I missing something

It is, in my book.

[Deansy]

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From the Whyte trial it would appear that those in the know accepted that an admin event was possible, if not probable, and had been pushing water uphill for quite a while. Rangers were being investigated by HMRC and were "obstructive, unhelpful and evasive" in that investigation into Rangers player payments, of which Ferguson was a major beneficiary, and an admin event could have meant that Rangers would lose control over the flow of information. HMRC have been chaing these payments and others , Celtic being one, complied. Rangers did not or could not. It is not hugely speculative to suggest this would have been the source of discussion amongst those it might affect.

I know nothing about Eclipse or the timescale of the "investments". Was this the same one Billy Dodds mentioned when confronted with the payment recieved to leave Rangers and did not question?

That said speculation and assumptions which show Old Rangers and their loyal servants in a less than honest light is something that I, sadly, find quite gratifying. Like reminding Yams that they bumped the Poppy fund.

Facts???

Or - if all we're going to get out of this is an 'Independent Review' then the SPFL should rename it 'The Rangers Review' as it was brought about by their cheating - at least we'd forever have a law that would constantly remind them of their cheating !

[Smartie]

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The only posibility now of anything being done to strip titles is if Celtc decide to take this further.

Can Celtic take it further?

Where can they take it?

I'm not sure this slams the door on their face any less than the rest of us.

If Celtic can take this further, why not Hibs?

[Ozyhibby]

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Can Celtic take it further?

Where can they take it?

I'm not sure this slams the door on their face any less than the rest of us.

If Celtic can take this further, why not Hibs?

If it goes further from here it will be the the fans. The clubs won't move on this now.


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[Ozyhibby]

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It is, in my book.

Only if the scope of the review is wide ranging and it is truly independent. It also needs to have the power to interview any individuals it needs to and proper punishments for those found guilty. People like Murray, Ogilvie, Dickson etc should be banned from football for life.


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[Geo_1875]

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If it goes further from here it will be the the fans. The clubs won't move on this now.


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Why would the The fans want to take this further?

[AndyM_1875]

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Or - if all we're going to get out of this is an 'Independent Review' then the SPFL should rename it 'The Rangers Review' as it was brought about by their cheating - at least we'd forever have a law that would constantly remind them of their cheating !

I'd like to think that an independent review will be somewhat broader than just focusing on the disgraceful behaviour at Rangers.
When you have had in the space of a decade 4 Premiership clubs undergo Administration, one of them twice plus a liquidation and that absolute freakshow at Gretna it suggests to me that the League needs to paying greater scrutiny of the Accounts of it's member clubs.

Perhaps a job for CWG

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'd like to think that an independent review will be somewhat broader than just focusing on the disgraceful behaviour at Rangers.
When you have had in the space of a decade 4 Premiership clubs undergo Administration, one of them twice plus a liquidation and that absolute freakshow at Gretna it suggests to me that the League needs to paying greater scrutiny of the Accounts of it's member clubs.

Perhaps a job for CWG

I'm tainted

[Moulin Yarns]

All the legalese in that statement is just to confuse us mere mortals.

I don't think anyone wants sanctions against the club currently plying their trade in the SPFL, but rather, it is a statement of fact that the titles and trophies acquired by the previous incarnation were not won fairly and should be expunged from the records as being null and void as a result of the irregularities in player registration at the time.

[JeMeSouviens]

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If it goes further from here it will be the the fans. The clubs won't move on this now.


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... and Celtc have been every bit as keen* on short termist rule bending and rug sweeping as all the other clubs.


* if not more so.

[plhibs]

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All the legalese in that statement is just to confuse us mere mortals.

I don't think anyone wants sanctions against the club currently plying their trade in the SPFL, but rather, it is a statement of fact that the titles and trophies acquired by the previous incarnation were not won fairly and should be expunged from the records as being null and void as a result of the irregularities in player registration at the time.

This hits the nail on the head. rules exist to deal with improperly registered players It has been proven that this happened during this time period so apply the rules. It doesn't need lawyers to advise how to go about this.
Apply the rules as has been done to other clubs, but maybe as all fans can see they just don't want to upset the mob from Ibrox.
SFA, SPL, SPFL whatever they want to call themselves I call THEM cheats and cowards. all of them.

[Ozyhibby]

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[green is good]

How did Lord Nimmo-Smith manage to keep a straight face when he said Rangers didn't gain any unfair competitive advantage?

[ballengeich]

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isn't an "independent review" a good idea or am I missing something

That will depend on the remit of the review and what assistance the SFA and SPFL are prepared to give it.

The Nimmo-Smith commission was a good idea, but football officials made sure it got the result they wanted. I'd like to know why the dates it examined were selected to exclude the DOS scheme which preceded EBTs, why the assumption was made that the EBT scheme was valid when the legal process was incomplete and why there was no appeal against the ridiculous leniency of the penalty imposed on Rangers.

It's probably correct that any appeal against Nimmo-Smith had to be within a given time so the penalty can't be amended within SFA rules. What I'd like to see is an investigation into whether the DOS scheme broke rules in the same way. I also believe there's a rule that payments to players can't be made by a third party. Now that it's established that the EBTs were wages, could a new charge be brought for infringing that?

[HoboHarry]

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How did Lord Nimmo-Smith manage to keep a straight face when he said Rangers didn't gain any unfair competitive advantage?

All of his focus was on his next scheduled act with the lodge goat.......

[Is It On....]

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All of his focus was on his next scheduled act with the lodge goat.......

Wonder that the initiation ceremony is like for the goat and do you think they also have to learn the secret handshake?

[Ozyhibby]

http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/...t-go-wrong-ann


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[lapsedhibee]

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http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/...t-go-wrong-ann

Possibly the most coherent thing I've ever seen from a yam.

[OxoHibby]

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Wonder that the initiation ceremony is like for the goat and do you think they also have to learn the secret handshake?

No it's easy for them. The handshake is based on hoofs

[Deansy]

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Of course she's changed her tune - at the time she was still relatively 'fresh' in football, naive even. She probably did intend to be the 'new broom that sweeps through the game' right up until the point where (one of her own crew probably ??) pointed out that if Rangers were to be punished for cheating then her own club would undoubtedly be next as a stripped-Hun would definitely embark on the biggest exercise of 'Whitabootery' ever seen !

[Is It On....]

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http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/...t-go-wrong-ann


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That is bang on the money..first Milne and now Budgie.. wonder what we will do.

[jacomo]

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Of course she's changed her tune - at the time she was still relatively 'fresh' in football, naive even. She probably did intend to be the 'new broom that sweeps through the game' right up until the point where (one of her own crew probably ??) pointed out that if Rangers were to be punished for cheating then her own club would undoubtedly be next as a stripped-Hun would definitely embark on the biggest exercise of 'Whitabootery' ever seen !

Quite.

Jambos will be no allies in this.