"Opinion polls are biased" and other myths

[McD]

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Working class people, in general, aren't as intelligent as other classes. The average manual skilled worker is not as intelligent as the average GP.

I would also say that the working class (the working poor in particular) would be less likely to enjoy many of the holiday entitlements or free time enjoyed by other classes. I know quite a few working class people who are doing two jobs – they eat, work, sleep and spend what time they can with the kids - and that’s about it. But, I admit that link may be tenuous and worthy perhaps of further investigation.

Not sure about your reference to Camerons wins (he did win after all), but I admit that there are other better examples in which the main media sources have been biased but the result has stacked up surprisingly well for the neglected (i.e. anti Brexit BBC Bias and anti ‘Yes’ Bias by pretty much all printed media and the BBC). One could argue that online content, which is less regulated, is counterbalancing more established sources.

the first sentence, do you have any proof of this?

Second sentence, that's most likely true, but what proof is there that the doctor didn't come from a working class upbringing?

[Colr]

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the first sentence, do you have any proof of this?

Second sentence, that's most likely true, but what proof is there that the doctor didn't come from a working class upbringing?

Indeed. Many Working class people do not get the opportunities to develop the skills and intelligence they are born with and fall behind from an early age.

If the statement was true there wouldn't be any social mobility at all, systematic comstraints mean there is much less than there should be - to the detriment of the economy!

[judas]

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the first sentence, do you have any proof of this?

Second sentence, that's most likely true, but what proof is there that the doctor didn't come from a working class upbringing?

There has been plenty of research carried out this field (see links below). But, I’m surprised you require proof. Is it really your contention that there is generally no intellectual difference between the average manual skilled worker and the average GP? Logical deduction should inform you otherwise.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

http://anepigone.blogspot.co.uk/2011...ated-from.html

There’s a couple of interesting papers here too:

Earl Hunt (July 1995). "The Role of Intelligence in Modern Society (July-Aug, 1995)". American Scientist. pp. 4 (Nonlinearities in Intelligence). Archived from the original on May 21, 2006.

Coward, W. Mark; Sackett, Paul R. (1990). "Linearity of ability-performance relationships: A reconfirmation". Journal of Applied Psychology. 75 (3): 297–300. doi:10.1037/0021-9010.75.3.297.

Regarding your last point, I’m not arguing that a Working Class person can’t become a GP.

But as this person becomes a doctor, he becomes Middle Class. And this brings me back to the original simple point; that working class people, in general, aren't as intelligent as other classes.

Ofcourse, one could argue robustly (and again in general terms), that the child of a manual worker is inherently less intelligent than that of a GP. But I think that would be too much for some people and no doubt it would be misinterpreted.

I would add, that I am from a working class family and I regard myself as working class.

[Geo_1875]

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There has been plenty of research carried out this field (see links below). But, I’m surprised you require proof. Is it really your contention that there is generally no intellectual difference between the average manual skilled worker and the average GP? Logical deduction should inform you otherwise.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

http://anepigone.blogspot.co.uk/2011...ated-from.html

There’s a couple of interesting papers here too:

Earl Hunt (July 1995). "The Role of Intelligence in Modern Society (July-Aug, 1995)". American Scientist. pp. 4 (Nonlinearities in Intelligence). Archived from the original on May 21, 2006.

Coward, W. Mark; Sackett, Paul R. (1990). "Linearity of ability-performance relationships: A reconfirmation". Journal of Applied Psychology. 75 (3): 297–300. doi:10.1037/0021-9010.75.3.297.

Regarding your last point, I’m not arguing that a Working Class person can’t become a GP.

But as this person becomes a doctor, he becomes Middle Class. And this brings me back to the original simple point; that working class people, in general, aren't as intelligent as other classes.

Ofcourse, one could argue robustly (and again in general terms), that the child of a manual worker is inherently less intelligent than that of a GP. But I think that would be too much for some people and no doubt it would be misinterpreted.

I would add, that I am from a working class family and I regard myself as working class.

Depends what age your talking about but definitely not inherently in early years. It's only when nurture takes over from nature that any differences appear.

[judas]

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Depends what age your talking about but definitely not inherently in early years. It's only when nurture takes over from nature that any differences appear.

I disagree.

On average, a child born to parent with a high IQ, will have a higher IQ than that of a child born to parents of low IQ, all other things being equal.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I disagree.

On average, a child born to parent with a high IQ, will have a higher IQ than that of a child born to parents of low IQ, all other things being equal.

Supposedly intelligence in inherited from the mother.

[McD]

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There has been plenty of research carried out this field (see links below). But, I’m surprised you require proof. Is it really your contention that there is generally no intellectual difference between the average manual skilled worker and the average GP? Logical deduction should inform you otherwise.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/occupations.aspx

http://anepigone.blogspot.co.uk/2011...ated-from.html

There’s a couple of interesting papers here too:

Earl Hunt (July 1995). "The Role of Intelligence in Modern Society (July-Aug, 1995)". American Scientist. pp. 4 (Nonlinearities in Intelligence). Archived from the original on May 21, 2006.

Coward, W. Mark; Sackett, Paul R. (1990). "Linearity of ability-performance relationships: A reconfirmation". Journal of Applied Psychology. 75 (3): 297–300. doi:10.1037/0021-9010.75.3.297.

Regarding your last point, I’m not arguing that a Working Class person can’t become a GP.

But as this person becomes a doctor, he becomes Middle Class. And this brings me back to the original simple point; that working class people, in general, aren't as intelligent as other classes.

Ofcourse, one could argue robustly (and again in general terms), that the child of a manual worker is inherently less intelligent than that of a GP. But I think that would be too much for some people and no doubt it would be misinterpreted.

I would add, that I am from a working class family and I regard myself as working class.

that's not what you said. You said working class were generally not as intelligent as upper class. That was what I asked if you had proof for. I said it's most likely true that the average manual skilled worker was less intelligent than the average GP. So no, that's not my contention at all, I think there's been some confusion between the posts


I'm also from a working class family, and very much regard myself as working class also (something I have picked up from my parents, particularly my father).

speaking from my own experience (which carries no weight whatsoever in comparison to the research ), I was brought up in a working class area, went to a working class state school populated mostly by kids of similar means. There were a strong proportion of my peers (several years in either direction) who were highly intelligent and went on to jobs that reflected that. Equally there was a similar proportion who would be classed as less intelligent. Coupled to that, there were some families of significantly higher means, some of whom sent their children to fee paying schools, who would, in my estimation, fall into similar proportions of those categories. I'd also say that for many of the poorer children, there seemed a greater motivation for bettering themselves, to some degree or another.

all that said, I don't actually think we're that far apart in views, I think my last post may have come across as sounding more harsh or argumentative than intended, so my apologies.

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I disagree.

On average, a child born to parent with a high IQ, will have a higher IQ than that of a child born to parents of low IQ, all other things being equal.

this I absolutely agree with

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[Colr]

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I disagree.

On average, a child born to parent with a high IQ, will have a higher IQ than that of a child born to parents of low IQ, all other things being equal.

Since when were all other things equal?

[SanFranHibs]

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Since when were all other things equal?

And I am still trying to work out how 'On average' is logical here. I must be really working class.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

I dont think there is anything inherently inferior about working class intellect at birth (bit i dont know so stand to be corrected), but apparently stimulation and attentiob at a infancy amd through early years are major factors.

I dont think its a class thing, ad much as just a bad parent thing/ ignorance thing.

Education is the key, and our universal education sysyem is very important, hence the alarm at falling standards.

I know the SG do try amd focus on early years intervention, but it seems to me an area that is uniquely difficult one for a government to intervene with a legislative solution. If parent x doesnt see a balue im reading amd has never read a book, why would they make the effort to read to their child?