Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Ozyhibby]

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I don't really understand why they are so wedded to trying to get rid of pre-emption rights of existing shareholders. I am sure that Big Mike would take up his allocation so as long as King and his pals take up their allocation then their power base is undiminished. Unless that is, King doesn't want to or can't afford to put more money in..

They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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[jonty]

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They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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isn't Ashley limited to under 10%?

[Onion]

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Unfortunately I tend to disagree. You can absolutely guarantee that rangers will be the 2nd highest spenders on transfers and wages in Scotland and even though they will certainly have less to spend than Celtic, if they get the right manager in place, who relies on clever transfer buys and quality football rather than a magic hat, then they have every chance of pipping celtic to a title in the next few years. Leicester did it last year against maybe 14 teams who spent more than them. Rodgers seems to be doing a pretty decent job for Celtic at the moment, but one day soon he will leave and they may well make the wrong appointment to replace him and lose a couple of key players at the same time. it's a horrible thought but they will win stuff in the future...not as much as Celtic..but stuff.

Leicester was a hundred year event, the Huns have slightly higher expectations. The Hun Hoards have zero patience and outrageous sense of self-importance. They ar a Peepl, after all. If the Sevco Board came out with a cohesive plan that showed Sevco competing effectively for the title with Celtic in 4 to 5 years times, there would be a riot. Celtic have so much headroom, structurally and financially, that they could afford to mess up big time and still stumble their way to the CL pot of gold. In terms of personnel, I doubt there is 1 Sevco player who would get in the Celtic side. The marginal cost of getting from best of the rest to title winners (against a determined Celtic) is huge and could easily bust Sevco, if they could even get their hands on that amount of cash. Watching them gnash their teeth over the next 4 or 5 years with the odd League Cup win should be hilarious.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Don't understand why the the huns don't get Fergus McCann in to sort them out, just as he did at Celtc. They've never looked back.

And Fergus looked both ways at the same time.

[high bee]

I can see the green half of West of Scotland FC passing the Hybrid Half (Rangers and Sevco) on all titles won, then there will be trouble.

[Ozyhibby]

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isn't Ashley limited to under 10%?

No, I don't think so. That was a gentlemens agreement I think.
He would only increases his percentage if others did not take part in the fundraising, something he would not know about until afterwards.
Besides, the SFA are pretty toothless.


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[staunchhibby]

Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

[high bee]

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Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

we should really start a new thread when insolvency 2 occurs, otherwise it will just become confusing.

[northstandhibby]

Anyone know why the ten in a row thing is being linked with The Rangers? They've not won a single title yet so don't know why it concerns them. Will be many a year before they'll even win two in a row never mind nine or ten.

[HoboHarry]

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Anyone know why the ten in a row thing is being linked with The Rangers? They've not won a single title yet so don't know why it concerns them. Will be many a year before they'll even win two in a row never mind nine or ten.

It's Celtic winning ten in a row that has then wetting their panties. Beats their nine in a row.

[Keith_M]

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It's Celtic winning ten in a row that has then wetting their panties. Beats their nine in a row.

I think the point was that they haven't won any titles yet, but I suppose it depends on your point of view.

[Jack]

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Not about time we closed this thread.Supposed to be hibs web site

I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

[Bostonhibby]

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I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

Agree, useful thread which many enjoy having a pop at the the huns on.

There must be another one that is also disliked that could be closed down instead😉

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[Is It On....]

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They want to be able to create and sell shares to select people at any price they like without offering them to Ashley.
They have permission to do a normal share issue now, the problem is that Ashley would participate while some shareholders (McCoist, Smith etc) would not and Ashley's share of the company would go up.

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Exactly..the law us there to stop unscrupulous owners from shafting minority shareholders...who would have Glib & Shameless would be trying to take away that protection. And Sally and Uncle Walt are free to do their bit for the club they love!!

[brog]

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I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

Agreed. I propose we close down after 1690 pages!

[jonty]

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No, I don't think so. That was a gentlemens agreement I think.

I thought I'd read it somewhere - it was an agreement he signed up to and they knocked him back when he asked for more: https://www.theguardian.com/football...gers-stake-sfa
I wonder how many other shareholders in clubs have had to sign up to agreements by the SFA.

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He would only increases his percentage if others did not take part in the fundraising, something he would not know about until afterwards.
Besides, the SFA are pretty toothless.


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Aint that the truth.

[southsider]

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This is part of their problem. Nobody is willing to lend to them. Unless it's at really onerous rates and terms.

Cash Converters anyone.......?

Or Mrs Budge. Done it down PBS way !

[jacomo]

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I would counter by saying 1 thread, albeit a huge one, that has held 99% of all things sevco related is pretty good considering all that they've been up to.

This thread is brilliant. Since Feb 2012 and still going. What a saga!

[Topographic Hibby]

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Or Mrs Budge. Done it down PBS way !

Hyacinth Budge, for all her faults, is a million miles from King and Co. She has an element of trust and reliability about her. Not qualities that are in even modest quantities down Ibrox way.

Budge is taking them kicking and screaming into the land of harsh reality. King and his mouthpieces want someone else to stump up their cash to buy Hun2 some glory. Knowing full well that nobody but nobody would lend them a tenner.

[Kaiser1962]

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The day was when Rangers had home gates of 7000 or so. That is their real core support. Recent support has been good just because of them thinking they were hard done by (!). So I agree with your view.

There is little chance of them winning the league in near future and that will eat away at their gates, coz nothing but being the best will do, and they do not have the means to do it!

Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

[Ringothedog]

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Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

What a *****y home support

[Deansy]

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Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/cl...attendance.php

A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world'

[Kaiser1962]

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Some very interesting 'MINIMUM Home Attendances' though, over a 15 year-period between 1970-1985-86 - 85-86 saw the arrival of the Lawrence Group and the big-money which in turn, increased the number of 'Loyals' who DIDN'T attend previously when they 'Played-within-their-means' - I.E won nowt !!

http://www.fitbastats.com/rangers/cl...attendance.php

A home gate of 4,000 in the 1971-72 season is puzzling for 'One of the biggest clubs in the world'

All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.

[Marco G]

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Old Rangers lowest average attendance in the last 50 years was 17,969 in season 1982-1983 which was just below their average for the previous season of 18,519. 1981-1982 also saw a home league attendance of 6,000 versus St. Mirren.

These were the only two seasons that Old Rangers average attendance fell below 20,000 since the mid 1930's and their average gate, old and new, has not been under 32,000 for thirty years. Its only been under 40,000 once in the last 25 years. (32,798 in 2014-2015)

Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.

[Marco G]

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All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.

Well I agree that the chances are this thread will continue to provide good value!

[Deansy]

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All clubs had low attendances at times for a variety of reasons. My point was that over the piece Old Rangers support has generally transferred to Sevco with that drop a couple of years ago which co-incided with a bout of infighting at the new club.

Getting supporters in the door is not going to be reason for their woes, as it was not the cause of their predecessor's downfall. If they dont get closer to Celtic though, the entertainment value for the rest of us will increase dramatically.

Sorry, I wasn't arguing or finding fault with your post, it was more to highlight the difference between a Hun with NO money and a Hun WITH money. When you hear/read some of their guff, it's like the pre-'Lawrence Group' days didn't even exist and they've played to full houses ever since their inception(s) !

Same problem exists over at the PBS !

[Ozyhibby]

They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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[Marco G]

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They are now having to manage within their own resources for the first time since 1986.
The fans are only seeing this year what that exactly means. If their crowds drop anywhere near to the 30k mark its curtains. The have far bigger overheads now than previously when crowds have went that low.
Selling season tickets this summer is going to be tricky. The fans won't fall for #goingfor55. They see how far behind they are and signing teenagers who have never played first team football will never cut the gap. They won't be able bring in another Joey Barton name signing as they don't have the cash and the fans know now they need better quality than that. Interesting times ahead.


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Sums up their problems very clearly, thanks.

[Keith_M]

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Maybe so for averages, but they did hit some individual real lows as other posters have also pointed out. Remember the average will have been greatly boosted by sell out games v Celtic, Hibs, Hearts etc. But when they were struggling, they did often have gates of well less than 10,000.
I was just pointing out if they start to sell less season tickets year on year due to not competing with Celtic then that might happen again.

Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)

[Peevemor]

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Actually, the only time they hung out the sold-out signs in the early 80s was against Celtc.

The attendances against the likes of Hibs were pretty dire.


e.g. My first ever visit to Ibrox was in October 1982 and I just looked up the attendance: 16,250 (TBF, the 250 was probably the number of Hibs Fans)

Where arapeepul?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUU4XAiMHfo