Commons yes or no?

[Unseen work]

The reason commons fitness doesn't concern me is because;

He has never been known for his fitness
He has always appeared slightly overweight
His game does not resolve around running like a mad man

His game has, and always will be his intelligence in and around the box and being able to score goals and set up for others. Something he will still be capabake of.

Although he has not played games recently he will still be training and eating like an athlete 5 times a week. He has not been on a bender since may and hasn't touched a ball since.

Couple of games for match sharpness, even at that I would think he would be fine.

[supermcginn]

He's a top quality player and would be an unbelievable signing for a championship club, it's complete madness that some don't want him!!!!!

[scoopyboy]

Yes from me.

[nellio]

Yes fro me as well, we cannot IMO afford to turn down a player of his quality whilst we are still in the championship.

[southfieldhibby]

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He would be the best player since sauzee. Real class and proven winner in Scotland

Sauzee left Hibs 15 years ago. Are you honestly saying Commons would be a better player than anyone in those intervening years?

Murphy,Riordan,Griffiths,Brown,Thomson,McGinn,Whit taker,Fletcher,Sproule,Zoomer...off the top of my head.

I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but the version we'd be getting is 33, not played for almost 2 years and not exactly mobile.

[HibbyScott]

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Sauzee left Hibs 15 years ago. Are you honestly saying Commons would be a better player than anyone in those intervening years?

Murphy,Riordan,Griffiths,Brown,Thomson,McGinn,Whit taker,Fletcher,Sproule,Zoomer...off the top of my head.

I'm not saying he wasn't a great player, but the version we'd be getting is 33, not played for almost 2 years and not exactly mobile.

Commons is head and shoulders, and quite a bit more about Ivan in terms of ability. Yes Sproule was exciting and very effective... but a not a technically great player IMO. Certainly nowhere near Commons, or any of the others that you've mentioned in terms of footballing ability.

Commons is a yes from me!

[emerald green]

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Real class and proven winner in Scotland

Proven winner in Scotland. Yes he was, but you have to remember he was playing for Celtic where winning is routine and expected. The opposition is virtually non existent.

Partick Thistle's manager is being quoted today as saying Celtic's second string could win the Scottish Premiership such is the gulf in quality.

[southfieldhibby]

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Commons is head and shoulders, and quite a bit more about Ivan in terms of ability. Yes Sproule was exciting and very effective... but a not a technically great player IMO. Certainly nowhere near Commons, or any of the others that you've mentioned in terms of footballing ability.

Commons is a yes from me!

Unfair on Ivan. Takes a certain degree of skill to score a hattrick at Ibrox, something Commons didn't manage. But I guess my point was we've had plenty players better than commons since Sauzee.

[BigT-Hibeez]

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this myth has grown enough arms and legs. Stokes scored on his debut and the myth that he 'didn't come on to a game until the cup final' is over exaggerated keek! Was he perhaps not quite as explosive as some thoughts? Maybe so, however i believe that was down to the massively high expectations some had, not to mention carrying a niggling injury. Even when the guy wasn't scoring he was setting them up and making the keeper work.

Stokes was still the best striker at the club from day 1 to the cup final. His touch and movement alone set him apart. Some just couldn't see it and have jumped on this bandwagon that he had a very slow poor start. Maybe it's just me, but i was impressed with stokes in practically 90% of the matches he played.

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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...tilt-1-4312674

yes!

[hughio]

Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.

NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for KC.

The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.

If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Ill drive commons to easter road myself

[Swedish hibee]

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A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves

I can.
So my no opinion must be correct then.

[eastmainsmsh]

Yes

[sixtwo]

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Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.

NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for

The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.

If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.

Martin Reilly is Lennons agent too. It was him who drove him to east mains to sign the deal with us. I've dealt with Martin with his other business interests outside football.

[Stevie Reid]

Would take Commons in a heartbeat - no brainer for me. Any signing is a risk that might not work out, and his lack of playing time recently is rightly being highlighted as a slight concern by some - but if people genuinely are not thrilled at the prospect of signing someone with his track record when we are in the Championship, I'm stunned.

Re: the comments about him being injury prone - simply not true. He's been out of the picture at Celtic this season, but from when he signed until the end of last season he made 223 appearances, more than 40 a year on average. Talking of averages, he has averaged 15 goals a season in Scotland in the nearly six years he's been here, (91 goals in 175 starts/223 appearances) for a guy who's not an out and out striker that is really special. 9 goals in 33 games for Celtic last season suggests he's far from finished also.

Of course he's not the same player he was - that goes without saying. But even if he's 60% of that player he would have loads to offer us in the Championship. He's not had the best last couple of years due to Deila not seeming to rate him (given that that guy thought Nadir Cifti was a better option than Lee Griffiths, that's hardly a surprise) and then being out of the picture with Rodgers. But I'd be thrilled if we signed him.

[Seveno]

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The reason commons fitness doesn't concern me is because;

He has never been known for his fitness
He has always appeared slightly overweight
His game does not resolve around running like a mad man

His game has, and always will be his intelligence in and around the box and being able to score goals and set up for others. Something he will still be capabake of.

Although he has not played games recently he will still be training and eating like an athlete 5 times a week. He has not been on a bender since may and hasn't touched a ball since.

Couple of games for match sharpness, even at that I would think he would be fine.

I agree 99%. Just not too sure about his capabaking ability.

[California-Hibs]

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Would take Commons in a heartbeat - no brainer for me. Any signing is a risk that might not work out, and his lack of playing time recently is rightly being highlighted as a slight concern by some - but if people genuinely are not thrilled at the prospect of signing someone with his track record when we are in the Championship, I'm stunned.

Re: the comments about him being injury prone - simply not true. He's been out of the picture at Celtic this season, but from when he signed until the end of last season he made 223 appearances, more than 40 a year on average. Talking of averages, he has averaged 15 goals a season in Scotland in the nearly six years he's been here, (91 goals in 175 starts/223 appearances) for a guy who's not an out and out striker that is really special. 9 goals in 33 games for Celtic last season suggests he's far from finished also.

Of course he's not the same player he was - that goes without saying. But even if he's 60% of that player he would have loads to offer us in the Championship. He's not had the best last couple of years due to Deila not seeming to rate him (given that that guy thought Nadir Cifti was a better option than Lee Griffiths, that's hardly a surprise) and then being out of the picture with Rodgers. But I'd be thrilled if we signed him.

That's a brilliant take on it right there 👍

[Stevie Reid]

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Nah,rather have Henderson or swanson

Swanson? I've heard many questions about his fitness and attitude over the years he has been discussed on here.

In 2013-14 Kris Commons scored almost as many goals (32) as Danny Swanson has in his whole career (37).

I'd love Henderson back but I'd take Commons over him right now with regards to getting out of the Championship.

[Arch Stanton]

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Money's the rub innit if you agree as I and others do that Commons would add value.

NL is totally pally with Martin Reilley the agent for Commons.
Reilley will be negotiating with Lawell already I bet on who pays £20K pw till end of Commons contract.
Surely any contribution is good for Celtc.and playing is good for KC.

The hard talking won't be done till end of Jan when Lawell will see if there's any other interest.
I wonder what Hibs bottom line will be?
I'm guessing we'll offer £3K a week at the very last minute and it will all fall through.

If it was up to me I'd say to Lawell and the agent we will pay £5K a week now but will not be repeating this in Jan.
take it or leave it.

Old style Hibs (ie RP) would have done the last gasp £3k offer but new style (LD) I'm sure would do it the second way - and could well be for more than £5k. We have money in the bank after all and end-January is just too late. It is also imperative we get promoted - worth megabucks to us.

[JimBHibees]

If to happen hopefully prior to the United game on 6th Jan.

[Albanian Hibs]

Yes please

[snooky]

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Swanson? I've heard many questions about his fitness and attitude over the years he has been discussed on here.

In 2013-14 Kris Commons scored almost as many goals (32) as Danny Swanson has in his whole career (37).

I'd love Henderson back but I'd take Commons over him right now with regards to getting out of the Championship.

I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

[Smartie]

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I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

[Stevie Reid]

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I would think any decent player would score more goals playing for Celtc than for any of the 'also rans' (as the media see the rest of us).

And I wouldn't disagree with that point. But my point is that Commons is a midfielder who scores goals, has done everywhere he's been - 160 in his career. In this transfer window we are looking to improve, to bring in players who will offer what we are lacking - creating chances is not a problem for us, but the amount we score can certainly improve. Our strikers' scoring ratios are good, but we lack goals from midfield.

Swanson can create chances no doubt, but he doesn't score many - Commons has scoring ratios from midfield that are better than many top strikers.

[superfurryhibby]

Aye, Commons was a fairly gifted player in the SPL. However, he has been inactive for a significant amount of time and this is the crucial part. This is a guy who is 33 and who has barely kicked a ball for nearly a year by the time January comes around.

No matter how good he once was, he will still need to be fit enough to compete and at our level there is no shortage of effort and endeavour from the opposition. Once the legs have gone that is usually the end for players and whilst our coaches will no doubt consider this, will they really have that much opportunity to assess him?

Holt pefectly illustrates the point above. Once a player capable of scoring in the EPL, he has hardly struck fear into defences in the Scottish second tier, despite a decent pedigree.

The thing is that we are in a battle with a side who are on the up and up. Failure to be promoted would be a disaster and so far Lennon and his signings have not convinced in my book. This is arguably one of the most important windows ever for us. We have to get it right. I would be much more optimistic if we had the likes of Henderson and GMS coming in from Celtic.

[snooky]

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Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

I agree entirely. I should have clarified my statement by saying if they had 10 games playing for Celtc and 10 games playing for one of the other clubs you would likely get more scoring opportunities and therefore more likelihood of scoring more playing with Celtc.
Not always the case, but generally true.

[Iain G]

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Unfair on Ivan. Takes a certain degree of skill to score a hattrick at Ibrox, something Commons didn't manage. But I guess my point was we've had plenty players better than commons since Sauzee.

And what a bloody amazing day that was

[Big L]

Has been a quality player, but I think this deal could be costly and it's definitely risky! Costly because he's apparently on £20k a week, the economics of this one will be interesting. Risky because he's 34 in the summer and hasn't played since mid March, 9 months out, it could take a hell of a long time to get him match fit. Not for me!

[Smartie]

The potential cost of this deal has been brought up a few times - I don't know if it would be as costly a deal as some are making out.

Yes, he's on a lot of money at Celtic.

But they're unlikely to get anything for that money between now and the end of his contract. They may be happy to take a token contribution from us - it's better than nothing.

And it may be that we can offer him a lot more than just money. If he's had a few decent contracts from Celtic and his English clubs, he won't be short of a few bob - his priority may just be to get playing and enjoying his football whilst he still can - he'll be a long time retired. We may offer him a coaching role, he may fancy doing one of his favourite managers a favour - there are reasons why players do things other than just for the money.

I've sometimes been surprised at the quality of player who ends up in the SPFL late in their careers - how much would Jody Morris and Michael Duberry have been taking from St Johnstone? By all accounts both those players loved their time up here and managed to make a significant contribution in the twilight of their careers.

[southsider]

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Most would, but there have been a good few who thrive as a big fish in a small pond and get a bit lost at a bigger club.

I wouldn't be so quick to belittle the achievement of getting a move to a big club, establishing yourself then going on to thrive. It isn't all that easy.

Not playing & the fall out with Kris got Ronny the sack.