Commons yes or no?

[matty_f]

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Agreed. We wouldn't be getting the Commons of 2 seasons ago. We'd be getting a fat, old guy who hasn't played football in a year.

There's hope for me yet!

[The Spaceman]

Absolutely. He's probably still got another couple of years in the tank and class of his magnitude doesn't fade quickly. We need a goal threat from outside the box/in midfield and he is our man.

[JimBHibees]

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Absolutely. He's probably still got another couple of years in the tank and class of his magnitude doesn't fade quickly. We need a goal threat from outside the box/in midfield and he is our man.

Agree the goal threat he would provide from shooting and set piece would be huge. Hopefully is fit though as he hasnt always looked the fittest athletically.

[Islington Hibs]

not sure!

I am not really a fan of taking players right at the end of their career for three reasons a) they are past their prime b) they, in the past have often been on big money and may just be going through the motions c) there can be issues with the dressing room with ex stars. It might be expedient to sign him and clearly Holt is not cutting in and Keattings is injured but as a generalisation I think a bad idea. I would much prefer a Henderson who clearly wants to play for the club and is in his prime.

[superfurryhibby]

Some blinkered football naivety on this thread. If he came in and made an impact after 9 months of no football then I'd be astonished. Match fitness comes from playing matches and we don't have the luxury of time on our side. So it's a massive nonthanks from me. Money is tight, lets use it sensibly and get someone in who can contribute from the start.

[Smartie]

He'd be a risky one, no doubt about it.

Does anyone have any idea what his current fitness is like?

What I would say is that we're in a proper scrap to win this league and a lot of games will come down to fine margins. A player with a deadly set-piece delivery/ a shot from outside the box/ good final ball would be worth their weight in gold in this league, even if it's just coming on for the last 20 minutes in games. Harris has never made an impact off the bench - I'd take any player who could come on and turn a scrappy draw into a scrappy win.

[Super_JMcGinn]

[QUOTE=Superfuddyhibby;4875298]Some blinkered football naivety on this thread. If he came in and made an impact after 9 months of no football then I'd be astonished. Match fitness comes from playing matches and we don't have the luxury of time on our side. So it's a massive nonthanks from me. Money is tight, lets use it sensibly and get someone in who can contribute from the start.[/QUOTE

Spot on We shouldn't have to be gambling on a maverick signing to get us up, huge gamble and a huge no no.

[Iain G]

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not sure!

I am not really a fan of taking players right at the end of their career for three reasons a) they are past their prime b) they, in the past have often been on big money and may just be going through the motions c) there can be issues with the dressing room with ex stars. It might be expedient to sign him and clearly Holt is not cutting in and Keattings is injured but as a generalisation I think a bad idea. I would much prefer a Henderson who clearly wants to play for the club and is in his prime.

It took us a Sauzee and Paatelainen and Latapy to get us out of this division last time.

Even if he is not as mobile as once was, Commons deadball delivery would certainly add something to our attacking armoury. We just need to get promoted this year by winning the league, if Lennon thinks Commons will add something to our team and get us promoted then we should go for it.

[JimBHibees]

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Some blinkered football naivety on this thread. If he came in and made an impact after 9 months of no football then I'd be astonished. Match fitness comes from playing matches and we don't have the luxury of time on our side. So it's a massive nonthanks from me. Money is tight, lets use it sensibly and get someone in who can contribute from the start.

Of course it doesnt have to be an impact in terms of 90 mins starting with 30 mins or so will improve our goal threat and be an improvement in terms of quality. If at Celtic he will have been training and probably playing in bounce games and you would hope getting fitter if any inkling of a move in January.
If Neil happy with it would back his decision. A real threat from free kicks would be a big plus also.

[green&left]

If Lennon, his coaches and our fitness staff see him as fit enough and an asset to the team thats good enough for me. If they don't then thats also good enough for me.

A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves

[Keith_M]

Yes.

While he might be out of favour at Celtc Park, I'm sure he'd do very well in our division and might just add the cutting edge we sometimes lack.

[jacomo]

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A fit Commons would be a no brainer. This might end up similar to what happened with Stokes in that he'll just be hitting full match sharpness towards the end of the championship season. He's not played a game since April. If we are going to spend a wedge on one stand out signing in January i'd much prefer him to be match fit.

This is my concern too.

Ideally I'd be looking for someone who can bring energy and natural width to our side. I'd be more enthused by, say, GMS.

[Andy74]

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I cant make a reasoned view on this, as i dont know how fit he is?

That's the trouble. We've signed decent quality players in the past for six months but they end up being classed as duds because it takes them so long to get fit and up to speed.

If he is anywhere near ready he would be a brilliant signing though.

[jacomo]

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If Lennon, his coaches and our fitness staff see him as fit enough and an asset to the team thats good enough for me. If they don't then thats also good enough for me.

A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves

This is not a conversation about whether Commons was a good player. It's about whether he is right for us, in 2017, and there is legitimate debate about that given how little football he has played in the past year. Don't be such a bore.

[hughio]

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He got class and intelligence. We need more of both.

Composure too...biggest thing missing in our offence

[pacoluna]

I thought we would have been out looking for a left back, and if we were to add a midfielder I would prefer a winger preferably someone with pace and who has an end product.

[Billy McKirdy]

no

[snooky]

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He would take too long to get match fit. Look how long it took Stokes and he is about 5 years younger and not as fat.

A very good point.

[California-Hibs]

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If Lennon, his coaches and our fitness staff see him as fit enough and an asset to the team thats good enough for me. If they don't then thats also good enough for me.

A helluva lot of fitness experts on this forum who probably can't run the length of themselves

This. Because he's not been playing matches people automatically tie that into not going to the gym, not running, lifting weights, and generally have an image of a player who's a slob.

In the months leading up to my 1st marathon I wasn't training as hard as I had been and actually stopped my timed runs all together as I thought something had came up that would prevent me attending. Plans changed last minute (literally 2 days before the run) and you know what...I was still able to do it no problem because even though I had a few missed months training gap, the work and experience before hand got me through it.

Kris Commons will have been keeping himself fit to a certain degree no doubt.

[JimBHibees]

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A very good point.

I think to be fair Stokes had a couple of injuries which meant he wasnt able to get up to speed as quick as might have done.

[147lothian]

A goal scoring midfielder, a sensation at a higher level than we are at, are we in a position to turn our noses up?

No brainer or me!

[California-Hibs]

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He would take too long to get match fit. Look how long it took Stokes and he is about 5 years younger and not as fat.

This myth has grown enough arms and legs. Stokes scored on his debut and the myth that he 'didn't come on to a game until the Cup Final' is over exaggerated keek! Was he perhaps not quite as explosive as some thoughts? Maybe so, however I believe that was down to the massively high expectations some had, not to mention carrying a niggling injury. Even when the guy wasn't scoring he was setting them up and making the keeper work.

Stokes was still the best striker at the club from day 1 to the cup final. His touch and movement alone set him apart. Some just couldn't see it and have jumped on this bandwagon that he had a very slow poor start. Maybe it's just me, but I was impressed with Stokes in practically 90% of the matches he played.

[wookie70]

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This. Because he's not been playing matches people automatically tie that into not going to the gym, not running, lifting weights, and generally have an image of a player who's a slob.

In the months leading up to my 1st marathon I wasn't training as hard as I had been and actually stopped my timed runs all together as I thought something had came up that would prevent me attending. Plans changed last minute (literally 2 days before the run) and you know what...I was still able to do it no problem because even though I had a few missed months training gap, the work and experience before hand got me through it.

Kris Commons will have been keeping himself fit to a certain degree no doubt.

How was your time and did other runners who were at your level who did train properly finish ahead of you. Hibs don't need to finish the race we need to win it.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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This myth has grown enough arms and legs. Stokes scored on his debut and the myth that he 'didn't come on to a game until the Cup Final' is over exaggerated keek! Was he perhaps not quite as explosive as some thoughts? Maybe so, however I believe that was down to the massively high expectations some had, not to mention carrying a niggling injury. Even when the guy wasn't scoring he was setting them up and making the keeper work.

Stokes was still the best striker at the club from day 1 to the cup final. His total ch and movement alone set him apart. Some just couldn't see it and have jumped on this bandwagon that he had a very slow poor start. Maybe it's just me, but I was impressed with Stokes in practically 90% of the matches he played.

Correct. From about March, stokes played well most weeks. He played a different role than we were used to with him coming deep to collect the ball. He certainly peaked at the cup final but his goals got us past Inverness, and he scored 9 in 25 plus the one Foderingham dropped in.

As for Commons, he has never exactly been a peak athlete. I don't think it would take long for him to get up to where we needed to be to be a big player for us.

[Arch Stanton]

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He would take too long to get match fit. Look how long it took Stokes and he is about 5 years younger and not as fat.

I don't get this about Stokes being unfit - he was putting in a power of work and lasting the full 90 mins from pretty much the off. Was he ever subbed looking weary as hell? Pretty sure not.

OK - so it was only really in the final that we saw just how good a free flowing forward he could be but for the rest he was still an important part of the team.

[H18S NX]

Nah,rather have Henderson or swanson

[jacomo]

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This myth has grown enough arms and legs. Stokes scored on his debut and the myth that he 'didn't come on to a game until the Cup Final' is over exaggerated keek! Was he perhaps not quite as explosive as some thoughts? Maybe so, however I believe that was down to the massively high expectations some had, not to mention carrying a niggling injury. Even when the guy wasn't scoring he was setting them up and making the keeper work.

Stokes was still the best striker at the club from day 1 to the cup final. His touch and movement alone set him apart. Some just couldn't see it and have jumped on this bandwagon that he had a very slow poor start. Maybe it's just me, but I was impressed with Stokes in practically 90% of the matches he played.

Both John Dolan and Stokes himself talk about how he wasn't playing at his best in the cup final documentary. They don't consider it a myth.

Seeing as you weren't at most of the games he played for us last season, I don't think you are the best person to judge.

[California-Hibs]

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How was your time and did other runners who were at your level who did train properly finish ahead of you. Hibs don't need to finish the race we need to win it.

I see your analogy - my time surpassed my expectations. I'm sure those who did train properly finished ahead of me - I did not win the race.

Kris Commons would surpass those who doubt him's expectations.....in my opinion.

[Just Alf]

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I don't get this about Stokes being unfit - he was putting in a power of work and lasting the full 90 mins from pretty much the off. Was he ever subbed looking weary as hell? Pretty sure not.

OK - so it was only really in the final that we saw just how good a free flowing forward he could be but for the rest he was still an important part of the team.

Agree with the Stokes bit, peeps seem to have forgotten, yes he wasn't 100% when he arrived (he hadn't been playing games so that would have been impossible), but when he was reaching 100% he did his back in and was sidelined from training for a few weeks then once more when he was ramping up on training he was hit with that flu bug (took down a few players if I remember).

As for Commons, 6 months or so ago I'd be 100% yes, now, I'm not so sure, although to be fair I've not seen or heard anything at all regarding his current "progress".

[CallumLaidlaw]

[QUOTE=jacomo;4875369]Both John Dolan and Stokes himself talk about how he wasn't playing at his best in the cup final documentary. They don't consider it a myth.

Seeing as you weren't at most of the games he played for us last season, I don't think you are the best person to judge.[/QUOTE]

That's a bit of a cheap shot.

I WAS at most games, nad thought Stokes played well most weeks. He wasn't scoring as many as we expected (and that was what I think Stokes and Doolan were referring to) but his performances were among the best in the team most weeks from March.