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[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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Your eight year old has a bright mind. One that researches and questions where the world is heading. Statements can seem utterly far fetched, until you look into them more and begin to ask questions yourself.

Im making a tin-foil hat as we speak...

[snooky]

May makes Boris foreign Secretary.
Benny from Crossroads must have withdrawn.

[High-On-Hibs]

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Im making a tin-foil hat as we speak...

I doubt you would know how tbh.

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May makes Boris foreign Secretary.
Benny from Crossroads must have withdrawn.

Believe me, it's just the beginning. It's much worse than you think.

[heretoday]

I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

[Colr]

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I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

Can you imagine Boris and Prince Philip doing foreign visits?

How long before Boris makes a huge gaff and is sacked?

[High-On-Hibs]

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I was thinking May looked quite astute for about five minutes till she appointed Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary. Imagine that oaf representing the country? He got shafted by a squirt like Gove so how's he going to cope with Putin?

My sister worked in his office in London and said he was absolutely hopeless. The bumbling Etonian thing isn't an act!

They always look astute for the first 5 minutes when they give the "equality" speech. I'm sure its some kind of sick inside Tory joke, because it's abandoned faster than light speed.

[ronaldo7]

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Can you imagine Boris and Prince Philip doing foreign visits?

How long before Boris makes a huge gaff and is sacked?

He might want to find out where his water cannon went. 3 Purchased and not used. Maybe he's trying to get re-united with them.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm no fan of BJ but he's not stupid.

He was mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world, and he made a decent fist of that.

Of course, negotiating with Putin might be a different challenge altogether, but he won't be doing much of that directly. Neither will Put in.

That's what ambassadors, diplomats and civil servants are for.

[emerald green]

The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

[ronaldo7]

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The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

They were told just over a year ago by the Speaker that clapping was not parliamentary. What did they do wrong?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32907129

[Mon Dieu4]

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The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

[ronaldo7]

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im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

One of the MP's gave her reasons earlier, she said why should she applaud someone who has overseen in the increase in food banks, benefits cuts, the rape clause, child refugees, TU bill, and the IP bill.

Good on her.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

Because there is a school of thought that you respect the office, rather than the the person occupying it.

Im not saying i necessarily agree with that - but the nats not applauding is churlish.

[Mon Dieu4]

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Because there is a school of thought that you respect the office, rather than the the person occupying it.

Im not saying i necessarily agree with that - but the nats not applauding is churlish.

That what's wrong with parliament, it's a little club with lots of back slapping and outdated rituals

[ronaldo7]

Liam Fox who "resigned in disgrace", over scandal where international trading companies paid for ministerial access, to head a new department for International trade.

Broon envelopes at the ready.

[Hibbyradge]

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The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

They were making an important political point about how important the EU is to the Scottish people.

However, it wasn’t done for Cameron's consumption, I'm sure he wasn't bothered, it was for the Scottish electorate.

Applauding him could be almost seen as forgiving him, but not doing so would keep the issue at the front of people's minds

[emerald green]

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They were told just over a year ago by the Speaker that clapping was not parliamentary. What did they do wrong?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32907129

Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.

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im glad they didn't, I wouldn't have either, why applaud someone you believe has helped put people in poverty and implemented austerity which has impacted on the poorest in society, because it's the done thing? Nah forget that, should we applaud Farage when he leaves his post as an MEP?

No different from Hibs not wanting to clap The Huns on to the pitch imo

Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then.

[marinello59]

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The decision by the SNP not to applaud the Prime Minister today, as he left after more than six years in the job, with his wife and children looking on, was very churlish indeed. On whose instructions I wonder? Robertson or Sturgeon perhaps? Not one of them dared to applaud.

From conversations I've had, I know it made a lot of people, no matter what their political affiliations, squirm with embarrassment.

Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

[Mon Dieu4]

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Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.



Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then.

Clearly it's the "done thing" to applaud an outgoing Prime Minister otherwise why do it or why are people getting uptight about the SNP not doing it?

No I don't see any difference in it, people wanting to applaud an elitist self serving erky who have had dodgy financial dealings, Cameron and the Huns are very similar

[Pretty Boy]

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Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

Spot on.

I'm as big a critic of the 'SNP machine' as anyone when it's deserved but the SNP MPs and those on the Labour benches who joined them in sitting silently today got it absolutely right imo.

[heretoday]

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I'm no fan of BJ but he's not stupid.

He was mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world, and he made a decent fist of that.

Of course, negotiating with Putin might be a different challenge altogether, but he won't be doing much of that directly. Neither will Put in.

That's what ambassadors, diplomats and civil servants are for.

Of course he's not stupid. He's written several books for instance and they are engagingly crafted.

The problem is his personality. However well briefed he is liable to veer off piste and say something crass. Others have to clean up the mess.

[High-On-Hibs]

I'm absolutely delighted that the SNP never applauded him. I would have been disgusted if they had. Cameron and his coke headed sidekick have been an absolute shambles. They built a manifesto around "rescuing the economy" and have failed on every single economic target since coming into government.

No respect for the wicked.

[emerald green]

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Churlish? Cameron has been one of the weakest PMs we have ever had and his time in office has ended in catastrophic failure. He's lucky that he wasn't booed out of the building.

Yes, very much so. Churlish and graceless. MPs from every party I understand, except the SNP, applauded the man. Whether they agreed with him politically or not. I'm "no a Tory" BTW, but there are occasions where politics should be put to one side just for a few minutes. It's not too much to ask IMHO.

I'm not sure how far back you are going. I take it you think Cameron was weaker than the likes of Chamberlain, Eden, Douglas-Home, Callaghan, Major and Blair?

[emerald green]

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They were making an important political point about how important the EU is to the Scottish people.

However, it wasn’t done for Cameron's consumption, I'm sure he wasn't bothered, it was for the Scottish electorate.

Applauding him could be almost seen as forgiving him, but not doing so would keep the issue at the front of people's minds

The SNP do not speak for all of the Scottish people, and the EU is not important to ALL of the Scottish people. Unbelievable as it might seem, a lot of Scottish people voted to leave the EU. Some of them SNP supporters.

I voted to remain in the EU. A "no brainer" IMHO.

[ronaldo7]

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Well that didn't take very long. As the article states, the (SNP) MPs clapped on at least three occasions during the response by their leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson. He (the speaker) intervened after Robertson criticised Labour's supposed support for austerity.

"Labour's supposed support for austerity"! What a ******* load of crap for starters.

The situation I'm referring to today was entirely different to what that article was about. The reason they didn't clap had nothing to do with adhering to parliamentary rules / tradition whatever you want to call it.



Where did you learn that it was the "done thing"? What do you mean?

The bit in bold - you don't see any difference in these two scenarios? Aye OK then.

You're right, it didn't take long for you to have a go at the SNP for not clapping. FFS next you'll be saying they need to wear a tie, sing the national anthem and bow correctly.

[emerald green]

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You're right, it didn't take long for you to have a go at the SNP for not clapping. FFS next you'll be saying they need to wear a tie, sing the national anthem and bow correctly.

Are the SNP not to be criticised? Ever? For anything?

The bit in bold. What makes you come away with that rubbish? I couldn't give a **** as far as any of that's concerned.

I notice you conveniently side-stepped the main point of my post though.

I seem to have hit a nerve here on SNP central. Time for me to bow out.

[ronaldo7]

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Are the SNP not to be criticised? Ever? For anything?

The bit in bold. What makes you come away with that rubbish? I couldn't give a **** as far as any of that's concerned.

I notice you conveniently side-stepped the main point of my post though.

I seem to have hit a nerve here on SNP central. Time for me to bow out.

You've not been on for a while then. Ye cannae move for SNP bad, but that's what you get for being in power. They can take the hits.

As you've said your cheerios, I decided to do this...


Back on topic, it's been quite a day. May's lost the plot with Bojo imo

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Im quite encouraged by her initial comments, obviously the proof is in the pudding.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

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You've not been on for a while then. Ye cannae move for SNP bad, but that's what you get for being in power. They can take the hits.

As you've said your cheerios, I decided to do this...


Back on topic, it's been quite a day. May's lost the plot with Bojo imo

Bojo is a strange one - would be interested to know the reasoning behind it.

[(((Fergus)))]

Do SNP MPs only have a duty to those who voted for them or to all their constituents? If the latter, they could have given the comical McGlashan posturing a rest for a few moments and done their job – by showing a bit of respect.

Other than that, quite a positive day in politics for a change.