Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[northstandhibby]

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His current contract runs till June 2018 ,so no rush from his point of view to sign a new deal ,unless the terms suit him . But the fact contract talks have broken down according to some papers indicates maybe all is not well



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Read an article today which referred to ''if mark warburton decides to move south''. Sounded very strange if all was well - obviously all is not well with the mark warburton situation. The media are moving very slowly and softly with this disappearing act.

There is much acrimony I suggest down Ibrox and a soft soap is being applied by the hun media.

Glory Glory

[Stax]

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Looks like King's overspending is finally kicking in - Hill was a half decent footballer and exceptional "hard man" up until about 2013/14 but can't see him doing much in Scotland - the Rangers are beginning to look like a rest home for ageing no marks or players in the twilight of their careers who couldn't hack it in England now. Celtc must be quaking in their boots.

The solitary (decent) Hun who I'm mates with came out with this as his main concern, and he was talking about Barton... As an aside, can you imagine any other country on earth where no questions are asked of a disappeared manager of the most successful club on earth?

[Bostonhibby]

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The solitary (decent) Hun who I'm mates with came out with this as his main concern, and he was talking about Barton... As an aside, can you imagine any other country on earth where no questions are asked of a disappeared manager of the most successful club on earth?

Maybe the warbler has woke up to what they are singing about and is looking for a return to civilization?

[grunt]

Dave King is answering fans' questions on the Rangers website.
First response is about their transfer policy.
Sit back, it's a long one.
It was posted during the England and Wales games tonight.

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...an-response-1/

LAST WEEK Rangers Chairman Dave King invited supporters to send in questions and below you can read the first part in series as he addresses the topics raised by fans
Transfer Policy and Ambitions

Unsurprisingly, a topic that contributed the largest amount of questions was the Club’s ongoing transfer policy and ambitions.
Given the pertinent relevance of transfers at this time of the year I have decided to commence my responses by reviewing all of the questions that touch on our general approach to recruiting players through transfer. Hopefully, my comments cover all of the questions that have been submitted with the exception of individual player targets that I cannot publicly comment on.

The first point I wish to make is that the present transfer policy will be consistent for the foreseeable future. Our transfer activity must support the need of the Rangers first-team squad to be capable of competing to win our domestic competitions every season and, in doing so, ensure participation in Europe. While it is unrealistic in the present “moneyed” world of European football to expect any club from the smaller countries to win either of the two major European trophies it is nevertheless important that we give a good account of ourselves when in Europe and not submit meekly at the first hurdle. It will therefore be necessary to acquire players with European experience in advance of our return to European competition.

It is also essential that our transfer activities are conducted in a financially responsible manner. Long gone are the days when Rangers was able to attract top players from England and Europe (Terry Butcher, Richard Gough, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Graeme Souness, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup etc.) by paying more than they were earning.

The English Premier League now has more media value than the next three major leagues combined. That has resulted in clubs, that are much smaller than Rangers in pure footballing terms (and history,) having substantially greater transfer funds to invest in players – but only while they are participating in the EPL or the Championship. While it is frustrating to find Rangers being out bid for targeted players by smaller English clubs (with greater short term access to cash,) it would be financially reckless to compete with them and not recognise the current market reality. This reality will only change if Rangers is able to bridge the income gap by competing outside of Scottish football – which will inevitably happen. In the short term, European participation is partial compensation towards bridging this gap.

Another observation I would like to make on our transfer policy options stems from the changes that have been irreversibly introduced by the media exposure that football has achieved on a global basis. When I was a kid it was the ambition of my schoolmates to play for Rangers one day – and play only for Rangers. It is now the case that most Rangers supporting youngsters see playing for the Club as a strong ambition but not their final ambition. Increasingly, playing for Rangers is seen as the realisation of stage one of a personal dream before moving on to one of the Big 5 leagues. It is a pity – but again is a reality that we must recognise as non-Scottish clubs continue to recruit the best young talent irrespective of their nationality.

I have sketched some of my thoughts above as they inform the Club’s transfer policy as adopted by the present Board. Given that we cannot compete with the transfer and wages budgets of our Southern neighbours it is vital that we find ways to attract the best young Scottish talent that can meet our domestic and European ambitions but can also have a good transfer value, if the opportunity presents itself for a move to a better paying league. In that way Rangers will get value while the player plays for the Club and the secondary value of a transfer fee that can be recycled back into improving the player squad. As far as possible the young Scottish players should come through the Rangers Youth System but we must also be alert to acquiring Scottish players from other clubs when the right player and opportunity presents itself.

In addition to blooding and fielding young players it is essential to have an experienced component within the team. That will ideally be a combination of players who have graduated through the Club and others who will be secured from other Clubs within the UK and overseas. When acquiring players from other clubs we recognise the need to pay our players a level of wages that are appropriate to our expectations of them.

We also recognise the important role that transfer fees play in securing targeted players however will do our best to keep this cost down by proper pre-planning of our targeted needs thereby avoiding last minute signings and the consequent premium cost that this always introduces. Frank McParland was recruited with this specific objective in mind and has already been working for many months to ensure that the Manager’s current player recruitment preferences are being met on a properly planned basis.

The squad that the Manager put together for last season had to be done at short notice due to the circumstances at the time. That is not the situation at present as we look to significantly strengthen the squad to compete in the Premiership. The Manager has had ample time to plan his recruitment strategy. Last season Mark deliberately chose a relatively lean squad that was deemed sufficient to win the Championship. The limited options became evident towards the end of the season when player availability was restricted due to yellow cards, injuries and the non-availability of new signings that were cup tied. This season will see a greater emphasis on a larger, more experienced squad while still giving room for the younger players to develop. The squad will however be appropriately larger without being “bloated”. Having players in the squad who have no realistic chance of playing for the first team is not only a waste of money – it is demoralising. All first-team squad players should believe that they have a realistic chance of catching some game time.

Ultimately, the player selection comes down to the group of players that Mark and his team show interest in and executive management then attempts to negotiate with the individual players, and their clubs if necessary. Mark has had a deliberate strategy in the last few signings to secure a number of senior players to add balance to what was a very young squad but the overall squad blend will remain a mixture of youth and experience with a continued strong focus on youth.

[Spike Mandela]

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Dave King is answering fans' questions on the Rangers website.
First response is about their transfer policy.
Sit back, it's a long one.
It was posted during the England and Wales games tonight.

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...an-response-1/

What could be better than the rambling thoughts of a glib and shameless liar?

[Bostonhibby]

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Dave King is answering fans' questions on the Rangers website.
First response is about their transfer policy.
Sit back, it's a long one.
It was posted during the England and Wales games tonight.

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...an-response-1/

The missing sentence at the end is presumably " so for the foreseeable future we will be picking up 35 year old and above free transfers from England"

They've nae money and meaningful debt again by the sound of it.

[YehButNoBut]

Huns look set to sign Croatian midfielder Niko Kranjcar, must have some money to spend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36579914

Croatia midfielder Niko Kranjcar will arrive in Glasgow on Wednesday for a medical ahead of a proposed move to Rangers, according to his lawyer.
There is a two-year contract on offer to the 31-year-old from the Ibrox club.
The former Tottenham, QPR and Dynamo Kiev player is a free agent following a spell with New York Cosmos.

Kranjcar, capped 81 times for his country, wants to return to Europe for a "fresh challenge", lawyer Emil Zgur told BBC Scotland.

[Finn2015]

Decent player in his day but seems to have lost his way a bit.

[Matty_Jack04]

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Huns look set to sign Croatian midfielder Niko Kranjcar, must have some money to spend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36579914

Croatia midfielder Niko Kranjcar will arrive in Glasgow on Wednesday for a medical ahead of a proposed move to Rangers, according to his lawyer.
There is a two-year contract on offer to the 31-year-old from the Ibrox club.
The former Tottenham, QPR and Dynamo Kiev player is a free agent following a spell with New York Cosmos.

Kranjcar, capped 81 times for his country, wants to return to Europe for a "fresh challenge", lawyer Emil Zgur told BBC Scotland.

Been playing for New York cosmos pretty sure there not even in the MLS no chance he'd get 2 year deal anywhere else IMO good player in his day but a big gamble

[jacomo]

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What could be better than the rambling thoughts of a glib and shameless liar?

Only just back in the top Scottish league and already saying it's 'inevitable' they will leave for a wealthier league elsewhere.

Someone should tell the 4 yr old that no one likes a cocky brat.

[greenpaper55]

Who would have them after what happened in Manchester ? King is deluded to think that they will play anywhere else than in Scotland, do you see Belgian teams playing in France or French teams playing in Germany just because they fancy the better money in those countries ?. No team in the lower leagues of England will vote to to lessen the chance of themselves getting into the EPL with the money they stand to lose.

[Iain G]

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Only just back in the top Scottish league and already saying it's 'inevitable' they will leave for a wealthier league elsewhere.

Someone should tell the 4 yr old that no one likes a cocky brat.

"It is also essential that our transfer activities are conducted in a financially responsible manner. Long gone are the days when Rangers was able to attract top players from England and Europe (Terry Butcher, Richard Gough, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Graeme Souness, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup etc.) by paying more than they were earning."

Does this mean that they haven't re-started the EBT scheme yet?

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

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"It is also essential that our transfer activities are conducted in a financially responsible manner. Long gone are the days when Rangers was able to attract top players from England and Europe (Terry Butcher, Richard Gough, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Graeme Souness, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup etc.) by paying more than they were earning."

Does this mean that they haven't re-started the EBT scheme yet?

Cough Tori Andre Flo cough...£12million...cough

[Onion]

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"It is also essential that our transfer activities are conducted in a financially responsible manner. Long gone are the days when Rangers was able to attract top players from England and Europe (Terry Butcher, Richard Gough, Mark Hateley, Ray Wilkins, Graeme Souness, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup etc.) by paying more than they were earning."

Does this mean that they haven't re-started the EBT scheme yet?

The ramifications for Rangers defaulting on tens of millions £££ is simply a proven blue-print (pun intended) for their next financial model. Retaining their ground, name, brand, intellectual property and history - while wiping all that debt away - was no disincentive to do it all over again. The SFA/SPFL, media, politicians and other clubs should share in the shame that is Sevco. When it all goes tits up again, they will carry the blame this time.

[southern hibby]

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Cough Tori Andre Flo cough...£12million...cough

How they wish they had 12 million in the bank lol

In fact probably wish they had 1.2 million


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[Jack Hackett]

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How they wish they had 12 million in the bank lol

In fact probably wish they had 1.2 million


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They'll be raking under the settee cushions again now they've agreed to pay Accrington Stanley....mind you, 'agreeing' isn't actually 'paying' given their form where such matters are concerned

[Hibs Class]

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The ramifications for Rangers defaulting on tens of millions £££ is simply a proven blue-print (pun intended) for their next financial model. Retaining their ground, name, brand, intellectual property and history - while wiping all that debt away - was no disincentive to do it all over again. The SFA/SPFL, media, politicians and other clubs should share in the shame that is Sevco. When it all goes tits up again, they will carry the blame this time.

I hope we get the chance to find out!

[SuperAllyMcleod]

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Only just back in the top Scottish league and already saying it's 'inevitable' they will leave for a wealthier league elsewhere.

Someone should tell the 4 yr old that no one likes a cocky brat.

They missed the perfect opportunity to play in England when they dropped to League 2 - they should have said "thanks, but no thanks, we will go and start at the bottom of the English pyramid rather than the Scottish one".

Would have been funny to watch them struggle to sweep through those leagues!

[jacomo]

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They missed the perfect opportunity to play in England when they dropped to League 2 - they should have said "thanks, but no thanks, we will go and start at the bottom of the English pyramid rather than the Scottish one".

Would have been funny to watch them struggle to sweep through those leagues!

England have proper Phoenix clubs like FC United and AFC Wimbledon.

The Rangers are an ugly zombie version - not risen from the dead, but undead. No one wants them.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

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England have proper Phoenix clubs like FC United and AFC Wimbledon.

The Rangers are an ugly zombie version - not risen from the dead, but undead. No one wants them.

I agree no one wants them and they probably wouldn't have got in, I was just saying that that was their chance.

Personally I'd like to see both Sevco and Celtic go and play in the Irish league - after all, that's all they ever seem to go on about.

[Bostonhibby]

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I agree no one wants them and they probably wouldn't have got in, I was just saying that that was their chance.

Personally I'd like to see both Sevco and Celtic go and play in the Irish league - after all, that's all they ever seem to go on about.

Been done to death, English football has its problems, mostly when they go abroad on international duty. The highly lucrative and protective brand that is the EPL has nothing to gain in terms of its worldwide aspirations by having religious based hatred tarnishing it marketability and future income.

Not to mention the damage the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers fans did in Manchester - England really, really don't want or need them. Their best bet is to go to Northern Ireland and Ireland respectively and knock lumps out of each other every month or so in the name of football, the hun will be better able to guard Derry's walls than they currently are and Scotland can move into the next century.

[CropleyisGod]

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Dave King is answering fans' questions on the Rangers website.
First response is about their transfer policy.
Sit back, it's a long one.
It was posted during the England and Wales games tonight.

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...an-response-1/

Boy...did he write that himself or have they supplied a few hundred fans with type writers? 24 carat drivel and that's just the content not the grammar and structure.

[Finn2015]

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Been done to death, English football has its problems, mostly when they go abroad on international duty. The highly lucrative and protective brand that is the EPL has nothing to gain in terms of its worldwide aspirations by having religious based hatred tarnishing it marketability and future income.

Not to mention the damage the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers fans did in Manchester - England really, really don't want or need them. Their best bet is to go to Northern Ireland and Ireland respectively and knock lumps out of each other every month or so in the name of football, the hun will be better able to guard Derry's walls than they currently are and Scotland can move into the next century.

Always have to wonder about the Hun mentality.

1) want to play in the English league
2) need to try and persuade and convince them that Rangers would be an asset to their league
3) go on the rampage in a major English city.

That will do it

[snooky]

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Only just back in the top Scottish league and already saying it's 'inevitable' they will leave for a wealthier league elsewhere.

Someone should tell the 4 yr old that no one likes a cocky brat.

If TRFC and Celtc move to the English league then surely what should happen is all Scottish clubs moving as well to what then would be a National league.

[Finn2015]

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If TRFC and Celtc move to the English league then surely what should happen is all Scottish clubs moving as well to what then would be a National league.

Well I don't think they could argue against it tbh. I'm sure they would stick all the rest in league 2 and fast track the two sisters into the top league

[Deansy]

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Dave King is answering fans' questions on the Rangers website.
First response is about their transfer policy.
Sit back, it's a long one.
It was posted during the England and Wales games tonight.

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/...an-response-1/

'in advance of our return to European competition'

Better chance of being relegated from the SPL than qualifying for Europe - obviously the penny has still to drop that the previous version of the Hun only achieved 'success' (if you can call it 'Success', years later and still sweating on leagues/cups being declared void !!) through illegal/immoral means !!

And as for the old chestnut - joining the English leagues - presumably the SA-Media didn't cover the last 'FXXK-OFF' England gave them and their partners-in-grime, Septic ??

[Ozyhibby]

Well done Private Eye for picking up the story the Scottish media want to ignore. I would encourage everyone to buy a copy this week. It may persuade them to follow up.


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[brog]

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Well done Private Eye for picking up the story the Scottish media want to ignore. I would encourage everyone to buy a copy this week. It may persuade them to follow up.


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Great spot Ozy!! I'm off to buy now!

[Bostonhibby]

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Well done Private Eye for picking up the story the Scottish media want to ignore. I would encourage everyone to buy a copy this week. It may persuade them to follow up.


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I subscribe to the eye, not the first time the rangers have appeared but been quiet for a while now. They definitely had Craig whyte and cheeky Charlie green sussed out!

[Geo_1875]

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They missed the perfect opportunity to play in England when they dropped to League 2 - they should have said "thanks, but no thanks, we will go and start at the bottom of the English pyramid rather than the Scottish one".

Would have been funny to watch them struggle to sweep through those leagues!

They didn't drop to League 2. The new club were granted accelerated entry to the league structure ahead of clubs from the pyramid.