Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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Donald played for the Hearts, but he did coach with Hibs, and was caretaker manager between McLeish and Le God

Maybe he played as a Hibby in someone's testimonial then?

I have this vision..............

[brog]

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We nicked him from Dundee United did we not?

Don't think we nicked him. IIRC IM negotiated his release from Arabs then turned up at ER asking for a trial. I think I saw his 1st game ( & goal ) in 4-1 cup win over Pars. His Dad was sitting behind me IIRC.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Maybe he played as a Hibby in someone's testimonial then?

I have this vision..............

Another ex-Yam "leg-end" turned Hibs coach, Eamonn Bannon, did turn out briefly for Hibs first team in the mid-90s. Just once I think. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Another ex-Yam "leg-end" turned Hibs coach, Eamonn Bannon, did turn out briefly for Hibs first team in the mid-90s. Just once I think. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

Mmmmmebbe.

I'm turning into my old man. Once thoughts are in there, they're no gettin oot....

[Moulin Yarns]

Back to The Rangers, has anybody got a copy of the original Graham Spiers article from 30th December?

[Ozyhibby]

The rest of the Herald reporters getting in line. They don't need new signings apparently.
http://m.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/14...w_/?ref=twtrec


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[MrSmith]

What an appalling self serving deluded lie of an article!

this all beggars belief!

[jacomo]

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What an appalling self serving deluded lie of an article!

this all beggars belief!

Nah I think they are spot on. The Rangers don't need any players and arguably could let Waghorn and Wallace go and still win this League at a canter (it's pretty much in the bag already). It would mean even more money for superstars in the summer. Celtc are running scared because they know The Rangers are favourites for the Premiership next season already!

[StevieT]

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Maybe he played as a Hibby in someone's testimonial then?

I have this vision..............

According to Wiki (yeh I know!), he joined Hibs in July 1994 as a coach. He was born in July 53 so that would make him 41 when he came to us

[MrSmith]

You are so right - my bad :(

[hibbypostie]

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According to Wiki (yeh I know!), he joined Hibs in July 1994 as a coach. He was born in July 53 so that would make him 41 when he came to us

I sure he played in the 0-7 game

[SuperAllyMcleod]

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I sure he played in the 0-7 game

He did, missed a sitter at 0:0

[The_Sauz]

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I think Douglas Park was also a coach

He was also a big fan of the "Park the bus" tactic..............

[Kato]

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I sure he played in the 0-7 game

His Hearts debut.

[Biggie]

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His Hearts debut.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Sectarianism is the backbone of their club and, if it was ever eradicated, they would fold. Same with Celtic, to a slightly less extent.

Nonsense. They might lose a few fans of the Vanguard Bears variety but they'd still have a far bigger support than all the other clubs.

[WhileTheChief..]

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It is time for all good men and women to keep voicing their concerns and anger on forums such as this. The Scottish Media

are scared of the backlash from the vile people who want to maintain vile sectarianism and religious hatred within football

here. Jim Spence and Graham Spiers are to be applauded not sacrificed by their bosses. Keep up the good work in trying to

rid our game of the evil sectarianism.

Who are these vile people you refer to? Other than some of their fans I don't see anyone else wanting to maintain sectarianism in our game?

[Smartie]

I think Rangers' first 11 is probably more effective than ours. They managed to deal with Cappielow fairly comfortably and I don't see anyone giving them much of a game at Ibrox for the rest of this season, whereas i can see us still toiling from time to time and dropping silly points in games we dominate.

It's not just about the first 11 though and their squad is paper thin. You could take Stokes and Cummings out of our team and we'd still have Keatings, Dagnall and Boyle to choose from. Where are they if they lose Waghorn and Miller? Our second 11 would absolutely wipe the floor with theirs and so whilst I think their best team is more likely to win games in the Championship than ours (note I haven't at any point said they are better) they will have to be incredibly lucky with injuries and suspensions to get a stronger team than ours out every week.

They're also a million miles away from being ready for the top league - we're far more prepared to win points off Premier League teams than they are.

[Smartie]

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Nonsense. They might lose a few fans of the Vanguard Bears variety but they'd still have a far bigger support than all the other clubs.

I also know a good few "decent" Rangers supporters who won't be taking their kids to Ibrox or bringing them up as Rangers fans due to the nonsense.

If they eradicate the sizeable ugly element they open the floodgates to the decent fans.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Moulin Yarns]

Park (of the buses) allegedly threatened the Herald with a withdrawal of advertising revenue

[CropleyWasGod]

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Park (of the buses) allegedly threatened the Herald with a withdrawal of advertising revenue

Ozy, as ever, had the scoop. Post 34123.

[Smartie]

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Park (of the buses) allegedly threatened the Herald with a withdrawal of advertising revenue

Shame they capitulated because that could have been a brilliant story for them to cover themselves…..

[Moulin Yarns]

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Back to The Rangers, has anybody got a copy of the original Graham Spiers article from 30th December?

Found it

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/

“My heart sank as I watched last week’s Channel Four News item about critics of Rangers FC coming in for threats or menacing intimidation from either fans or rogue elements with links to the Ibrox club. I’ve been there, had the treatment, received such threats myself. It was all highly familiar, even if I’ve never written publicly about it until now.
One of Channel 4’s interviewees was Gary Allan, the Scottish QC, who said that, after his involvement with an SFA panel which punished Rangers for bringing the game into disrepute, Strathclyde Police had summoned him to an urgent meeting due to threats being made against him. Allan spoke of the subsequent threats to himself and his family. It was obvious he regretted ever getting embroiled with Rangers in the first place.
My own story of covering Rangers – and being critical of certain aspects of the club – has incurred similar menace. It all started around 10 years ago when, as chief sports writer on The Herald, I began focusing on the bigoted singing issue over which the club was then wearyingly engaged with its supporters. After a number of pieces highlighting this blight upon Rangers, the threatening letters, the phone calls and the internet poison on Rangers fans’ sites all began to build in momentum against me.
Round about 2005, my then editor at The Herald phoned me and said: “How do you feel about this? We have a concern about it at the paper. We think we should speak to the police about your security.” I was pretty nonplussed to hear this, not least because, in truth, I had never been that bothered by it. “I don’t think we need to go that far,” I told my editor. “I really don’t think it’s that bad, is it?” In the end, we agreed to let it lie in terms of police involvement.
Yet the threats towards me grew. It seemed to me they came from a kind of rogue, angry underclass which appeared to have attached itself to the club. Any sweeping generalisations about Rangers fans, however, were both futile and inaccurate. The fact was, whenever I engaged in pub debate with Rangers fans – which was often – the conversation was normally civil, if combative.
But then came another incident, when the press bus stopped 200 yards short of the Villarreal stadium on a Champions League night with Rangers in 2006. I got fairly bumped around and was spat at as we made our way through the Rangers throngs to the arena. That was the night when the Villarreal team bus got pelted and suffered a smashed window, and just months before Uefa censured Rangers for bigoted chanting. On the latter, a few Rangers fans on the fervid message-boards blamed me for somehow “shopping” the club to Uefa via my critical editorials on the subject.
Fast forward to 2011, by which time we’d had the disturbances in Manchester involving Rangers fans, and their offensive singing at the 2011 League Cup final, both of which caused the club further headaches. Again, I’d written critically on these topics, which only kept the poison flowing in my direction.
Then, on the morning of April 21 last year (2011), colleagues began texting me about a fresh alarm. The Daily Record had published a picture of me with an accompanying story, claiming I was one of a number of people being targeted by cranks, because of my criticisms of Rangers. That particular day I had other family concerns on my mind, and I more or less ignored the Record story. But the next day I received a phone call.
“Graham, this is Detective Chief Superintendent [xxxxxxx] from the counter-terrorism unit at Strathclyde Police…”
I was incredulous. “You’re kidding me, right?” I said. “You are kidding me on, surely?”
“No, I’m not,” he said. “And we think we need to come and see you at home pretty soon.”
I duly spent two hours listening to police security specialists explaining to me that they had information about threats being made against me, and that these threats were linked to my writing and broadcasting about Rangers. And so it has gone on, the threat of intimidation rising and falling in line with my writing about this football club.
The context, I believe, is this. Rangers FC have had supporter issues to deal with over the years. Many of these issues have seen great improvement in fans’ behaviour. But among the Rangers hard core there is resentment. Their faux Protestant culture around Rangers is something many Ibrox fans want to bin but the “traditionalists” want to preserve.
It often seems to me that a modern, liberal Scotland has abandoned this section of the Rangers support; left them behind, and even actually mocked them for their out-dated beliefs. Whatever the context, in my own experience, Channel 4 got it right. You sometimes mix with Rangers at your peril.”

[Jack]

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I also know a good few "decent" Rangers supporters who won't be taking their kids to Ibrox or bringing them up as Rangers fans due to the nonsense.

If they eradicate the sizeable ugly element they open the floodgates to the decent fans.

I agree.

Of the sevcovians I know most have become sickened than ever with the rise of the bigotry as well as all the off pitch shenanigans.

[cabbageandribs1875]

noticed this article the other day in the herald, not dated but the ban was taking place for the bigots v Livi game(4-1) few weeks back

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...ge_row/?ref=ar

THE BBC have launched a fresh Ibrox boycott after Rangers banned the public service broadcaster's senior sports reporter Chris McLaughlin from the club ground.
The BBC dropped a nearly month-long boycott of Ibrox in August after Rangers agreed to drop a ban on the reporter following talks.
But it has emerged that the BBC have reimposed the boycott after the broadcaster was told two weeks ago that the reporter was again not welcome at Ibrox.


Some fans protested to the BBC and to the communications regulator Ofcom saying the BBC actions were indicative of what they felt was a continued bias against the club.


BBC sources then insisted there would be no staff member going to Ibrox until the ban on Mr McLaughlin is lifted and they would rely on agency staff.

is the BBC ban still in effect ?

[JeMeSouviens]

Spiers original article retrieved from Google's cache:

Spiers on Sport: Rangers must uphold progress by resisting return of 'the old songs'

Stewart Robertson, Rangers' managing director, has so far not been convincing on the issue of ridding Ibrox of sectarian singing

Herald Scotland:
Spiers on Sport, Graham Spiers / / Sport

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Rangers FC, in whatever guise you recognise it in the post-2012 period, has made considerable strides to eradicate bigotry around the club.

Whereas as recently as 10 years ago – and it really was excruciating – Ibrox Stadium resounded to sectarian chants, in more recent times the atmosphere has been cleaned up, with erstwhile dodgy songs adored by many Rangers fans being put on the back burner.

It would be totally wrong to ignore this progress at Rangers. I remember the summer of 2006 when Paul Le Guen arrived at the club. Ibrox was mired in “fans issues” and bigotry, and Le Guen was utterly perplexed by it all.

One of the first things the Frenchman had to do was take part in initiatives set up by the club, begging Rangers fans to stop singing these songs.

To a large degree, many of these measures worked. Rangers made significant progress in quelling its bigoted sentiment, and the club made great strides in the years ahead. Ibrox, I believe, in time became a much healthier place in which to watch your football.

The Billy Boys, an anti-Catholic anthem beloved of Ibrox, was put on mute. Indeed, for a number of seasons it seemed to disappear completely, at least at Rangers home games. This, surely, was progress.

But few of us had any illusions about it. More than once I’ve been told that, if you venture onto a Glasgow subway train with travelling Rangers fans, their old anthems can be given quite an airing. The old songs appeared to have survived and thrived, being sung with gusto whenever a more guarded context will allow.

And then there were these occasional public eruptions of it, such as at the infamous 2011 League Cup final at Hampden, when some of the choral stuff exhumed by the Rangers support that day took us back to a pre-Enlightenment period.

It is staggering, in this day and age, to hear stuff about Catholics, Fenians, Taigs, the Pope and the rest emanating from thousands of people. It is as baffling as it is sad.

Now this Rangers FC board – and I am not convinced by their mettle on this issue – faces a fresh test.

At Ibrox this week we heard a further eruption of what might euphemistically be called the “old songs”. It was another example, amid all the progress that Rangers have made, of the cap being blown off, and of some Rangers fans getting back into the party mood in the way they like best.

Social media was very interesting following that Rangers-Hibs game on Monday afternoon. Setting aside some preposterous stuff from the Rangers Supporters Trust, who were in full denial mode, there were a number of Rangers fans openly lamenting the re-emergence of these songs, and condemning them.

I have said this often enough: there is a new generation of Rangers supporter that the club should nurture and cultivate. They want nothing to do with this old obsession with “fenians”. They are modern, decent, football-loving fans who love the game and love their club.

Rangers need to embrace these supporters, and leave to one side those others – including some official fan groups – who said after the Hibs match (I paraphrase): “Well done, lads, terrific stuff, great atmosphere, great to hear the old songs…”

Will this Rangers FC board, as has been required in previous years, step up to the plate? I hope so, though I doubt it.

I write as a journalist who has been banned by Rangers. None of that aspect bothers me. Football clubs sometimes do these daft things. I want nothing but the best for Rangers as they ascend towards the Ladbrokes Premiership. Indeed, I want Rangers challenging for the Premiership title as quickly as their football will allow.

But when Stewart Robertson, the new Rangers managing-director, informed me of my press ban, I would say his demeanour was that of someone somewhat embarrassed by the action being taken.

I do not believe Mr Robertson is anything other than a decent man – but his pitiful reasons for my ban, which included my past criticisms of Rangers over bigotry issues, sounded distinctly unconvincing.

It also doesn’t help right now that at least one member of the current Rangers board thinks that The Billy Boys is a tremendous song. This being the case, the club may well go backwards, not forwards.

On their dreaded songs issue, I hope this Rangers board go forward, not backward. I hope they are pro-active, not passive. I hope they acknowledge a potential threat, and don’t lapse into denial.

But, frankly, I’ll believe it when I see it. Banning writers who write about the issue is an ominous start.

It is now 39 years since Willie Waddell, then the Rangers general-manager, made an on-field public declaration which signalled an end to Rangers FC’s old anti-Catholic policy. I was there that day at Ibrox as a 12-year-old kid, though the fuss then was beyond me.

It remains my belief that, taking that day as a starting point, it will take 50 years for Rangers to fully flush out its bigoted baggage. There are pitfalls along that long road, as we witnessed again this week, but at least the journey is being taken.

There has been real progress made at Rangers in recent years. Mr Robertson and your ilk, please don’t slow it down.

[chinaman]

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I also know a good few "decent" Rangers supporters who won't be taking their kids to Ibrox or bringing them up as Rangers fans due to the nonsense.

If they eradicate the sizeable ugly element they open the floodgates to the decent fans.

"decent huns"... all of them are bigoted low life wannabe "english/ulster bacteria.
Nothing will ever change the mindset of the huge majority of there backward-thinking, banjo-playing bullies LET THE HORRIBLE CLUB DIE as painfully as possible.

[Jim44]

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Nonsense. They might lose a few fans of the Vanguard Bears variety but they'd still have a far bigger support than all the other clubs.

Remove the sectarianism and you'll remove much more than a few bigoted idiots.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Spiers original article retrieved from Google's cache:

"It also doesn’t help right now that at least one member of the current Rangers board thinks that The Billy Boys is a tremendous song". This being the case, the club may well go backwards, not forwards.



absolutely astonishing....vile sectarian filth from the top downwards