Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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Surely the Judge should just stick to the facts of the case.

Maybe he did.

[doddsy]

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Not 'blind faith', Doddsy, natural faith. There is a wee bit of a difference. If you accept that corruption is intrinsic in our justice system, the game's a bogey.

You seem like a nice enough bloke so I don't want to disillusion you. There are a multiple of different levels of corruption. How do you think the vast majority of middle class Bankers got away with it yet a common bank robber gets 20 to 30 years in Jail? Just one example.

[Geo_1875]

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Maybe he did.

No need for his commentary though. Can't see how SD's current share price is relevant and if it is relevant then it probably supports SD's case for losses.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm no legal eagle but no matter that the judge seems a little bit strange, SD did not seem to present a very good case at all and there is no way you could find against sevco based on the evidence they provided.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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No need for his commentary though. Can't see how SD's current share price is relevant and if it is relevant then it probably supports SD's case for losses.

Given that we are coming to our view on the basis of Doleman's Tweets (welcome as they are), I'd say it's impossible to do anything other than speculate as to why he would say that. For example, he may be suspicious as to SD's motives bringing the case; perhaps he thinks that SD's recent troubles are driving the case more than they should. But..like i say.. that's only speculation on my part.

All will be clearer, one would hope, when the case actually goes to trial.

[MrSmith]

The responses from the judge were at points weird but some hilarious however, reading through it, it seems the judge knew this was a joke in both case and SD representation. I personally think the judge was purely displeased at the time wasted. I mean and quote: Judge "where the original estimate of £200k damages came from?" SD Counsel "says he is not sure." Come on! He is representing the claimant and should have all info at hand and provide it on asking!! Its really simple, prove your morally right!

[greenginger]

Was there any reference to Sevco's false claim that the loan had been repaid last time they were in court ?

[doddsy]

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The responses from the judge were at points weird but some hilarious however, reading through it, it seems the judge knew this was a joke in both case and SD representation. I personally think the judge was purely displeased at the time wasted. I mean and quote: Judge "where the original estimate of £200k damages came from?" SD Counsel "says he is not sure." Come on! He is representing the claimant and should have all info at hand and provide it on asking!! Its really simple, prove your morally right!

Solatium in negligence cases is a non-accountable amount of money usually based on unquantifiable mental distress. Just because it is difficult to put a price on does not mean it is not worthy.

[GreenPJ]

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The responses from the judge were at points weird but some hilarious however, reading through it, it seems the judge knew this was a joke in both case and SD representation. I personally think the judge was purely displeased at the time wasted. I mean and quote: Judge "where the original estimate of £200k damages came from?" SD Counsel "says he is not sure." Come on! He is representing the claimant and should have all info at hand and provide it on asking!! Its really simple, prove your morally right!

That is irrelevant in a court of law. Prove you are legally right is what they are interested in, you would hope they would be one in the same but we know that they aren't always.

[MrSmith]

Yes I agree therefore:

Prove you are legally and morally right - if being legally and morally reasonable and truthful.

[Deansy]

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Was there any reference to Sevco's false claim that the loan had been repaid last time they were in court ?

That's what I'm waiting for - surely to C****t even the Hun are NOT getting away with that ??

[doddsy]

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Yes I agree therefore:

Prove you are legally and morally right - if being legally and morally reasonable and truthful.

The case would not be being heard at all if there was no truth whatsoever in the matter. It is up to TRIFC to defend themselves against the Pursuer's (SD) account of what happened. It is obvious the GASL did comment on what he had been ordered not to by a previous court. This is an open and shut case made complex because it is TRIFC, the establishment's clumpany. The matter of how much is really quite irrelevant to the bigger matter of perjury which is why we have a circus going on with a somewhat clown of a Judge in my opinion.

[MrSmith]

I agree with you but lets not get all bent out of shape by it. Facts are needed and SD Counsel did not provide these. The 5 day session will be a different spot altogether.

[doddsy]

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I agree with you but lets not get all bent out of shape by it. Facts are needed and SD Counsel did not provide these. The 5 day session will be a different spot altogether.

I hope so because it seems to me that MA is getting shortchanged from his legal team or there is more than meets the eye in all of this. It could be MA has been put off fighting the GASL hence the poor quality of his legal team's performance. I would be thinking of suing the Legal team at this point for very poor representation.

[Smartie]

Going by their performance so far I don't think Ashley even pays his lawyers a minimum wage.

[MrSmith]

I'm sure it'll be different at the 5 day session. I get the feeling MA/SD are toying with this and will come in hard and heavy. Just a feeling ...

[CropleyWasGod]

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I hope so because it seems to me that MA is getting shortchanged from his legal team or there is more than meets the eye in all of this. It could be MA has been put off fighting the GASL hence the poor quality of his legal team's performance. I would be thinking of suing the Legal team at this point for very poor representation.

There's also the possibility that SD don't have much of a case, and his legal team are trying their best to gild it.

[ancient hibee]

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I hope so because it seems to me that MA is getting shortchanged from his legal team or there is more than meets the eye in all of this. It could be MA has been put off fighting the GASL hence the poor quality of his legal team's performance. I would be thinking of suing the Legal team at this point for very poor representation.

Ashley is just having a bit of fun with Rangers to pass the time.He can afford to do it and other than annoying King doesn't give a monkey's.

[Brunswickbill]

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I thought that I had seen Justice Peter Smith somewhere before

[doddsy]

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There's also the possibility that SD don't have much of a case, and his legal team are trying their best to gild it.

If that's their best then I'd really hate to see them at their worst. Mr Bean could do better.

[Smartie]

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I thought that I had seen Justice Peter Smith somewhere before

There's something about a 'tache and a smirk that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

[Geo_1875]

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There's something about a 'tache and a smirk that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

Have you had a bad experience with Mr Petrie?

[doddsy]

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I thought that I had seen Justice Peter Smith somewhere before

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If I was the accused and walked into Court and saw him, I'd think I'm stuffed before the off. Looks more like the 'Hangman'.

[Ozyhibby]

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Have you had a bad experience with Mr Petrie?

We all have.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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If that's their best then I'd really hate to see them at their worst. Mr Bean could do better.

Maybe, just maybe, they don't have a very good case.

[doddsy]

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Maybe, just maybe, they don't have a very good case.

As the Scotland great King Kenny would say 'mibbes aye mibbes naw'.

[lapsedhibee]

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the judge seems a little bit strange

Strange?? Shirley has his finger right on the pulse:

"One of the blogs insists that I am a Freemason, which is wrong," said the judge.

"Also, that my wife is a 'life-long Rangers supporter'."

He added: "She is from Edinburgh. The idea that she would support any Glasgow team is laughable."

Something's laughable all right.

[magpie1892]

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Maybe, just maybe, they don't have a very good case.

**** Direct have a very, very poor case. I'm sure more learned posters here will concur.

All we're seeing is Ashley thrashing about in a series of vindictive litigation.

It's not doing him any favours - and that's an understatement. It's getting to the point where NUFC's Sky money is keeping the SD ship afloat.

[Famous Fiver]

Got some figures for us non financial whizz kids to back that up?

Has NU not just spent north of £20 mill on new players with more reportedly in the pipeline?

[jacomo]

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**** Direct have a very, very poor case. I'm sure more learned posters here will concur.

All we're seeing is Ashley thrashing about in a series of vindictive litigation.

It's not doing him any favours - and that's an understatement. It's getting to the point where NUFC's Sky money is keeping the SD ship afloat.

I understand why you don't like Ashley, but that is just fanciful.

Even if the share price continues to tumble and he loses all the money he's made in the past 5 or so years, SD is still worth a whole lot more than NUFC. It was him who stemmed the losses at the club.