Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[gorgie greens]

Just glad the pondlife are getting some of their own medicine,they are always unsettling clubs by saying they are interested in their players whenever they are about to play them .
A month of turmoil please

[Sergey]

VC pushed the price for Warby out to 4/1 straight off the back of his tweet. Once again they've shortened the price to a 4 in 10 chance (6/4)

There's clearly mileage in this rumour and he's obviously the player that the books are avoiding.

[Cropley10]

During the 9IAR years and after Rangers told us they were Simply The Best, that they were the World's Most Successful Club.

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.


There can be no EBT with any 'side-letter' that guarantees the tax free loan. If there is then tax is due. Game over. If there is a 'side-letter' that guarantees payment then this must be disclosed to the SFA. What a dilemma, you can't stay the right side of the tax scheme AND the game's governing body simultaneously...


But none of what has transpired would have been possible or achievable without the governing body of Scottish Football being complicit, aiding and abetting Rangers in different ways at different times and for different reasons to either; get into to Europe when they'd already agreed they owed HMRC for the Wee Tax Case (yet without access to European revenue they'd have gone bust earlier), continue with an EBT tax scheme that broke their own rules, or ultimately to be reborn, as Sevco.


So, for those that use words like 'bile' and 'spewing' and 'hatred' and 'blood-lust' I'd say this; they told us for years they were the People, that they were the Best, the World's Most Successful when, in fact, Murray and his placement at the SFA were cheating. Organised, explicit, wilful cheating.


Football is 11 v 11 on the day, on literally a level playing field - any attempts to rig the game, to allow one team to enjoy a specific advantage can never be allowed.


And, if you think we should somehow 'move on' without both cleansing the SFA and, more importantly, the proceeds of this organised, wilful deceit then you miss the point entirely.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Baldy Foghorn]

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During the 9IAR years and after Rangers told us they were Simply The Best, that they were the World's Most Successful Club.

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.


There can be no EBT with any 'side-letter' that guarantees the tax free loan. If there is then tax is due. Game over. If there is a 'side-letter' that guarantees payment then this must be disclosed to the SFA. What a dilemma, you can't stay the right side of the tax scheme AND the game's governing body simultaneously...


But none of what has transpired would have been possible or achievable without the governing body of Scottish Football being complicit, aiding and abetting Rangers in different ways at different times and for different reasons to either; get into to Europe when they'd already agreed they owed HMRC for the Wee Tax Case (yet without access to European revenue they'd have gone bust earlier), continue with an EBT tax scheme that broke their own rules, or ultimately to be reborn, as Sevco.


So, for those that use words like 'bile' and 'spewing' and 'hatred' and 'blood-lust' I'd say this; they told us for years they were the People, that they were the Best, the World's Most Successful when, in fact, Murray and his placement at the SFA were cheating. Organised, explicit, wilful cheating.


Football is 11 v 11 on the day, on literally a level playing field - any attempts to rig the game, to allow one team to enjoy a specific advantage can never be allowed.


And, if you think we should somehow 'move on' without both cleansing the SFA and, more importantly, the proceeds of this organised, wilful deceit then you miss the point entirely.

SFA must be exposed in this shambles and the corridors rid of the incompetents who broke their own rules, to aid their mates

[Bostonhibby]

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During the 9IAR years and after Rangers told us they were Simply The Best, that they were the World's Most Successful Club.

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.


There can be no EBT with any 'side-letter' that guarantees the tax free loan. If there is then tax is due. Game over. If there is a 'side-letter' that guarantees payment then this must be disclosed to the SFA. What a dilemma, you can't stay the right side of the tax scheme AND the game's governing body simultaneously...


But none of what has transpired would have been possible or achievable without the governing body of Scottish Football being complicit, aiding and abetting Rangers in different ways at different times and for different reasons to either; get into to Europe when they'd already agreed they owed HMRC for the Wee Tax Case (yet without access to European revenue they'd have gone bust earlier), continue with an EBT tax scheme that broke their own rules, or ultimately to be reborn, as Sevco.


So, for those that use words like 'bile' and 'spewing' and 'hatred' and 'blood-lust' I'd say this; they told us for years they were the People, that they were the Best, the World's Most Successful when, in fact, Murray and his placement at the SFA were cheating. Organised, explicit, wilful cheating.


Football is 11 v 11 on the day, on literally a level playing field - any attempts to rig the game, to allow one team to enjoy a specific advantage can never be allowed.


And, if you think we should somehow 'move on' without both cleansing the SFA and, more importantly, the proceeds of this organised, wilful deceit then you miss the point entirely.

Eureka one for any old / new rangers apologists or sympathisers in Scottish football to have a good think about before they plead for closure or a line to be drawn - the answers to who did what to help, when and why really are still needed then the punishment can be designed to fit the actual crime, not just what we are allowed to know about it to date.

[Jim44]

The baker has spoken and all is well in hunland. However Tom English has become the villain of the peace by casting doubt on the situation on Twitter :


That tadger English reckons he's lying.

Mark WarburtonVerified account
‏@MarkWarburton9
Both bemused and frustrated by shockingly incorrect stories from certain media outlets. I am going nowhere and no club has approached me

Tom English ‏@BBCTomEnglish 33m33 minutes ago
@DerekMillerTime @GordonWaddell @bbckennymac @MarkWarburton9 Curious

Derek Miller ‏@DerekMillerTime 31m31 minutes ago
@BBCTomEnglish About what exactly?

Tom English ‏@BBCTomEnglish 10m10 minutes ago
@DerekMillerTime Just curious. Given some of our information - odd

[Deansy]

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During the 9IAR years and after Rangers told us they were Simply The Best, that they were the World's Most Successful Club.

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.


There can be no EBT with any 'side-letter' that guarantees the tax free loan. If there is then tax is due. Game over. If there is a 'side-letter' that guarantees payment then this must be disclosed to the SFA. What a dilemma, you can't stay the right side of the tax scheme AND the game's governing body simultaneously...


But none of what has transpired would have been possible or achievable without the governing body of Scottish Football being complicit, aiding and abetting Rangers in different ways at different times and for different reasons to either; get into to Europe when they'd already agreed they owed HMRC for the Wee Tax Case (yet without access to European revenue they'd have gone bust earlier), continue with an EBT tax scheme that broke their own rules, or ultimately to be reborn, as Sevco.


So, for those that use words like 'bile' and 'spewing' and 'hatred' and 'blood-lust' I'd say this; they told us for years they were the People, that they were the Best, the World's Most Successful when, in fact, Murray and his placement at the SFA were cheating. Organised, explicit, wilful cheating.


Football is 11 v 11 on the day, on literally a level playing field - any attempts to rig the game, to allow one team to enjoy a specific advantage can never be allowed.


Anwd, if you think we should somehow 'move on' without both cleansing the SFA and, more importantly, the proceeds of this organised, wilful deceit then you miss the point entirely.

100% spot-on !!. Ever since all of this 'Hun/EBT/Side-letter' con was revealed, the only thing the SFA/SMSM have done is to fight furiously to see that NOTHING changes and that the 'Status Quo' of the OF Duopoly is preserved at all costs and returned to as soon as possible - this must be avoided at all costs !!.

Our game is is in desparate need of purging and the opportunity is right now starting with the voiding of all/everything the Hun 'obtained' (not 'Won') during the time they were using EBT's. After that, the next step is the complete replacement of all in the SFA who have done nothing in this scandal except assist and prolong it - Reagan, Doncaster, Ogilvie for starters. If any of them are still in place when the dust starts to settle, then Scottish Football will have truly gained and learned SFA !!

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London or Glasgow....I think the bright lights might just draw him down south....

I agree working and living in London is probably more attractive to him than staying in Glasgow. Apparently his family have stayed down south and will not be moving here any time soon, so that could obviously be a big factor in any decision he is asked to make.

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I'm no so sure.

Neil Lennon won a stack of trophies and qualified out a group stage of the CL including beating Barcelona. He was available for donkeys and only got Bolton.

Warburton will do well to win any major trophies and will get nowhere near the CL. To me, Fulham is the best he's likely to get.

I don't think Warburton and Lennon are comparable, as Lennon had not worked in any non-playing positions in English football before and did not have the reputation at various levels that Warburton has. In fact, Lennon's reputation in England counted against him when it came to getting a top gig.

I'm not suggesting Warburton will be ever be offered anything better than the Fulham job; I just think it would be madness to walk away from a comparatively easy role for one which will be much harder and far less secure. In addition, financially, he probably wouldn't be offered that much more down there than he'll be offered to stay at Sevco.

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He's already proved he can hack it in the Championship.

Has he? Don't get me wrong, I thought he did a great job with Brentford, but their chairman didn't which is why his contract wasn't extended. And therein lies the rub. The English Championship is a league of intense pressure and, often, unrealistic expectations. The Mecca of the Premiership and the nature of the playoff system creates a situation where a manager is only really 4 or 5 bad results away from the sack at any time.

By my count, only nine of the 24 teams in that league have had their current manager for more than one season. Specifically, Fulham are not a model of managerial stability and there is no indication that their owner would give a new manager significant cash to spend in January.

There also must be a reason why three other managers have already said no.

[GreenLake]

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During the 9IAR years and after Rangers told us they were Simply The Best, that they were the World's Most Successful Club.

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.


There can be no EBT with any 'side-letter' that guarantees the tax free loan. If there is then tax is due. Game over. If there is a 'side-letter' that guarantees payment then this must be disclosed to the SFA. What a dilemma, you can't stay the right side of the tax scheme AND the game's governing body simultaneously...


But none of what has transpired would have been possible or achievable without the governing body of Scottish Football being complicit, aiding and abetting Rangers in different ways at different times and for different reasons to either; get into to Europe when they'd already agreed they owed HMRC for the Wee Tax Case (yet without access to European revenue they'd have gone bust earlier), continue with an EBT tax scheme that broke their own rules, or ultimately to be reborn, as Sevco.


So, for those that use words like 'bile' and 'spewing' and 'hatred' and 'blood-lust' I'd say this; they told us for years they were the People, that they were the Best, the World's Most Successful when, in fact, Murray and his placement at the SFA were cheating. Organised, explicit, wilful cheating.


Football is 11 v 11 on the day, on literally a level playing field - any attempts to rig the game, to allow one team to enjoy a specific advantage can never be allowed.


And, if you think we should somehow 'move on' without both cleansing the SFA and, more importantly, the proceeds of this organised, wilful deceit then you miss the point entirely.

Your post encapsulates not just what bothers me about The Rangers, but what bothers me about many things on this planet. Banksters, gangsters, puppet politicians, dictators and a whole line of horrible entities or individuals who cheat the possibilities of a decent and fair reality. They further their existence and domination using the threat of "Mutually Assured Destruction".

The instructions given to leaders elected to the SFA or SPFL should be - "No surrender" to cheats. Clean out and kick out but never, ever cop out.

[jacomo]

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The baker has spoken and all is well in hunland. However Tom English has become the villain of the peace by casting doubt on the situation on Twitter :


That tadger English reckons he's lying.

Mark WarburtonVerified account
‏@MarkWarburton9
Both bemused and frustrated by shockingly incorrect stories from certain media outlets. I am going nowhere and no club has approached me

Tom English ‏@BBCTomEnglish 33m33 minutes ago
@DerekMillerTime @GordonWaddell @bbckennymac @MarkWarburton9 Curious

Derek Miller ‏@DerekMillerTime 31m31 minutes ago
@BBCTomEnglish About what exactly?

Tom English ‏@BBCTomEnglish 10m10 minutes ago
@DerekMillerTime Just curious. Given some of our information - odd

'No club has approached me' is modern day football speak for 'my agent is handling all negotiations on my behalf'.

[Jim44]

Stuart Gray has romped to second favourite. I hadn't noticed his name before.

[Jim44]

Maybe just a coincidence but the FF website discussion board is down. This often happens when there is abnormally high traffic. I wonder if something has been announced.

[brog]

Just musing but is there not a possibility that Warbs is thinking, " just WTF have I got myself into here?
I'm managing a team where the last 3 people in charge have been spivs or crooks & the current boss is a convicted criminal. They keep saying I'll get money but nothing ever happens. I can't go out in Glasgow because half the population call me an Orange b-----d & I don't understand a thing that the other half are saying. I went up to Aberdeen the other week to check out this battle site at Aboyne & there was nuffink there even though it's all our fans sing & talk about! Magic hat on & back darn sarf rapid for me I think! "
Seriously, the culture shock dealing with these demented people but must be horrific for a supposedly intelligent man.

[greenginger]

A darn sarf rag's take on it,


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...a3128956.html?

Maybe Warby just spun it a bit to get a wage rise and a war chest.

[Cropley10]

Respectfully, Warbs is an intelligent individual and must, surely, now realise that 1) King is proving to be a glib and shameless liar 2) they’re burning what little money they don’t have on lawyers, not players 3) the Three Bears are not, in the grand scheme of things, wealthy people, who certainly can’t afford to bankroll Rangers, being in to the tune of £10m already with a considerable amount in soft loans 4) they make a loss every month 5) the stadium is in poor shape 6) if/when they get promoted there’s no pot of gold available and they will struggle to compete 7) we’re heading into the worst of the weather and the third round of ties against the “diddy teams” 8) the squad is thin and injuries or approaches for Tavernier and/or Waghorn must be a worry…

Respectfully I hope he stays, but I’d be delighted if he heads back down to London. Happy Days

[number9dream]

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A darn sarf rag's take on it,


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...a3128956.html?

Maybe Warby just spun it a bit to get a wage rise and a war chest.

Not sure it was a deliberate ploy but that's certainly how it could work out for him...
Fulham are a bit of a basket case - 7 managers in 3 years - and he knows he's at least 3rd choice.
From the strength of his tweet, I think he'll "respectfully" turn down the approach and we can all move on to the next act in the Rangers circus.
Managers being away from their families is hardly unusual. There are many examples, including our own staff and big Yogi.

[GreenLake]

Warburton is obviously going to appear uninterested to increase the deal he gets offered by Fulham.

He's gone and hopefully so will some of the players he brought in.

[Arch Stanton]

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...........

Yet, what we now realise is Murray was not only addicted to debt but in order to gain an advantage over Celtic had to pay players an income that was free of tax. He tried two schemes, the first failed pretty quickly, the second, EBT scheme has taken longer to unravel.

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And yet all the talk in the media at the time was how to make the Old Firm more competitive in Europe - as if we were all rooting for Murray in his attempt to buy the European Cup.

[Cropley10]

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And yet all the talk in the media at the time was how to make the Old Firm more competitive in Europe - as if we were all rooting for Murray in his attempt to buy the European Cup.

And of course this nonsense still continues. The Rangers will get back to the SPL and then get in to Europe. The advantage that the OF had in terms of income from large stadiums, well attended has gone. The money sloshing around football these days means that the advantage of being big, or bigger has now gone, much smaller clubs are more wealthy than they have ever been.

[Geo_1875]

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Just musing but is there not a possibility that Warbs is thinking, " just WTF have I got myself into here?
I'm managing a team where the last 3 people in charge have been spivs or crooks & the current boss is a convicted criminal. They keep saying I'll get money but nothing ever happens. I can't go out in Glasgow because half the population call me an Orange b-----d & I don't understand a thing that the other half are saying. I went up to Aberdeen the other week to check out this battle site at Aboyne & there was nuffink there even though it's all our fans sing & talk about! Magic hat on & back darn sarf rapid for me I think! "
Seriously, the culture shock dealing with these demented people but must be horrific for a supposedly intelligent man.

And that's in the directors box.

[Jim44]

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Just musing but is there not a possibility that Warbs is thinking, " just WTF have I got myself into here?
I'm managing a team where the last 3 people in charge have been spivs or crooks & the current boss is a convicted criminal. They keep saying I'll get money but nothing ever happens. I can't go out in Glasgow because half the population call me an Orange b-----d & I don't understand a thing that the other half are saying. I went up to Aberdeen the other week to check out this battle site at Aboyne & there was nuffink there even though it's all our fans sing & talk about! Magic hat on & back darn sarf rapid for me I think! "
Seriously, the culture shock dealing with these demented people but must be horrific for a supposedly intelligent man.

What did the good folks of Aboyne do to be associated with the muppets? Nothing there?............ Aboyne (Scots: Abyne, Scottish Gaelic: Abèidh) is a village on the edge of the Highlands in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, on the River Dee, approximately 30 miles (48 km) west of Aberdeen. It has a rugby club, which plays on The Green and also has a swimming pool, a golf course with 18 holes, all-weather tennis courts, and a bowling green. Aboyne Castle and the Loch of Aboyne are nearby.

Aboyne has many businesses, including a supermarket (Co-op),[6] two banks, several hairdressers, a butcher, a newsagent, an Indian restaurant and a post office. Originally, there was a railway station in the village, but it was closed on 18 June 1966. The station now contains some shops and the tunnel running under the village is now home to a firearms club. The market-day in Aboyne was known as Fèill Mhìcheil (Scottish Gaelic for "Michael's Fair").

I'm sure Warburton would find this charming village a great retreat from the circus he presently finds himself in.

[Onion]

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A darn sarf rag's take on it,


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...a3128956.html?

Maybe Warby just spun it a bit to get a wage rise and a war chest.

Typical response by any manager who wants to keep playing both ends. He's going to talk up his every important role at The Rangers, showing loyalty, ambition and making sure he doesn't upset the locals. Not a sweetie bag in sight !

At the same time, he hasn't said outright that he has no interest in the Fulham job - which he could easily do and put the whole thing to bed. Why not ? For 2 reasons, 1. he might actually be interested in what they have to say and 2. it keep The Rangers Board honest when it comes to him asking for more money.

He has to say he's not been approached by Fulham as they'd have to ask The Rangers Board for permission first.

[Bostonhibby]

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What did the good folks of Aboyne do to be associated with the muppets? Nothing there?............ Aboyne (Scots: Abyne, Scottish Gaelic: Abèidh) is a village on the edge of the Highlands in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, on the River Dee, approximately 30 miles (48 km) west of Aberdeen. It has a rugby club, which plays on The Green and also has a swimming pool, a golf course with 18 holes, all-weather tennis courts, and a bowling green. Aboyne Castle and the Loch of Aboyne are nearby.

Aboyne has many businesses, including a supermarket (Co-op),[6] two banks, several hairdressers, a butcher, a newsagent, an Indian restaurant and a post office. Originally, there was a railway station in the village, but it was closed on 18 June 1966. The station now contains some shops and the tunnel running under the village is now home to a firearms club. The market-day in Aboyne was known as Fèill Mhìcheil (Scottish Gaelic for "Michael's Fair").

I'm sure Warburton would find this charming village a great retreat from the circus he presently finds himself in.

Agree, most huns that I know haven't a Scooby about the actual history they are spouting about. Every good hun knows it's the battle of boinnng, not Aboyne.

[jacomo]

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Typical response by any manager who wants to keep playing both ends. He's going to talk up his every important role at The Rangers, showing loyalty, ambition and making sure he doesn't upset the locals. Not a sweetie bag in sight !

At the same time, he hasn't said outright that he has no interest in the Fulham job - which he could easily do and put the whole thing to bed. Why not ? For 2 reasons, 1. he might actually be interested in what they have to say and 2. it keep The Rangers Board honest when it comes to him asking for more money.

He has to say he's not been approached by Fulham as they'd have to ask The Rangers Board for permission first.

He's not been approached by Fulham, because Fulham can negotiate via his agent.

Warburton just needs to submit a wish list of players that he knows will be rejected by Der Hun as too expensive - he can then ask to speak to Fulham because Sevco won't back him in the market. Job done.

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A darn sarf rag's take on it,


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...a3128956.html?

Maybe Warby just spun it a bit to get a wage rise and a war chest.

From that article...

"Alan Curbishley is expected to take charge of Fulham at MK Dons tomorrow."

Game over?

[brog]

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From that article...

"Alan Curbishley is expected to take charge of Fulham at MK Dons tomorrow."

Game over?

Curbishley's already there. If he was going to get the gig you would think it would already have happened.

[Jim44]

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From that article...

"Alan Curbishley is expected to take charge of Fulham at MK Dons tomorrow."

Game over?

Curbishley 10/1 to 12/1 on Oddschecker.

[Jim44]

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A darn sarf rag's take on it,


http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...a3128956.html?

Maybe Warby just spun it a bit to get a wage rise and a war chest.

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From that article...

"Alan Curbishley is expected to take charge of Fulham at MK Dons tomorrow."

Game over?

I can't see any link to Curbishley in that article.

[Dan Sarf]

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I can't see any link to Curbishley in that article.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foot...-a3119581.html

Sorry!