Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[jacomo]

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The future of Scottish football is at risk because we exhibit paralysis by analysis.

People seem delighted the longer that this turmoil continues. At a time when the game desperately needs investment on-going turmoil is precisely the last thing that we need.

If you desperately need investment, Dave King is your go to man.

Oh wait, that's not quite right is it?

[bingo70]

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The club died because of its cheating, and I'm sure that the point has been taken by other clubs.

I personally couldn't give a monkeys about them getting stripped of their titles, the only thing that's swaying me to care a bit more is that they're absolutely livid at the thought of losing them, that alone almost makes the whole thing worth pursuing.

I also think anything that could send them on their way to a further administration and points deduction gets my vote.

[Kavinho]

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The club died because of its cheating, and I'm sure that the point has been taken by other clubs.

This issue goes beyond Rangers/theRangers, and they are bit part players (for me) now, all be it the scene of the ongoing dramas..

The way things have developed over the years shows me a level of institutionalised bias from the authorities running the game here. I want to see this all out in the open one way or another.
The LNS ruling that you can spilt a club from any tangible entity is laughable - particularly having been undermined in the tax case 'common sense' ruling.

If the LNS hearing was restricted as to what it was allowed to consider (by the governing body with an agenda), then for me it remains right to be revisiting the whole investigation. (New club/old club/holding co/whatever)

Likewise with the still confidential 5way agreement..

without transparency, and following previous failings, you have a lack of trust - Irreparable by just moving on and drawing a line.

Its not predominantly about continuing to kick Rangers (as enjoyable as that is to watch happen to your main rival for promotion) - it's about ensuring the governing bodies are fit to protect the very future of the game that you raised as being worried about.

putting these matters (as 1example - how on earth is DK considered fit and proper) in a court of law will hopefully finally show up right from wrong when it came to what the governing body was prepared to do to support one of its largest members.

[Blaster]

According to the bbc site a few mins ago Fulham going to pursue the bread man aggressively!!!!

[mca]

It Also Sounds Like The Place is Falling To Bits.. bbc radio..

[Malthibby]

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This issue goes beyond Rangers/theRangers, and they are bit part players (for me) now, all be it the scene of the ongoing dramas..

The way things have developed over the years shows me a level of institutionalised bias from the authorities running the game here. I want to see this all out in the open one way or another.
The LNS ruling that you can spilt a club from any tangible entity is laughable - particularly having been undermined in the tax case 'common sense' ruling.

If the LNS hearing was restricted as to what it was allowed to consider (by the governing body with an agenda), then for me it remains right to be revisiting the whole investigation. (New club/old club/holding co/whatever)

Likewise with the still confidential 5way agreement..

without transparency, and following previous failings, you have a lack of trust - Irreparable by just moving on and drawing a line.

Its not predominantly about continuing to kick Rangers (as enjoyable as that is to watch happen to your main rival for promotion) - it's about ensuring the governing bodies are fit to protect the very future of the game that you raised as being worried about.

putting these matters (as 1example - how on earth is DK considered fit and proper) in a court of law will hopefully finally show up right from wrong when it came to what the governing body was prepared to do to support one of its largest members.

Yup, everything we hear from The Rangers is that they want to get back to business as usual, & their media lackeys are bleating this on high. We need to know why stuff happened,
who was responsible for the stuff happpening & why so many folk want the same stuff to keep happening. Stuff 'em.
GG

[grunt]

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We need to know why stuff happened, who was responsible for the stuff happpening & why so many folk want the same stuff to keep happening. Stuff 'em.
GG

Great stuff.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Nope, that is not the case with attendances I'm afraid, and the only reason that our clubs are in a healthier financial position is because of the huge levels of indebtedness that has been written off or otherwise shed by pretty much every club bar the tims and Aberdeen.



These are all symptoms of a much wider malaise. Slowly but surely the game is dying up here yet the key thing most people care about - above all else - is to see a dead football club get another kicking.

Totally disagree. The game is showing signs of life. First hopes of a recovery for a very long time.

[happiehibbie]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ssue-1-3964010 looks like the roof is coming down on them after all !


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[Brunswickbill]

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Great stuff.

And a Christmas stuffing from Hibs.

[Jim44]

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According to the bbc site a few mins ago Fulham going to pursue the bread man aggressively!!!!

WhiIe I prefer your adverb, the report says 'actively'.

[brog]

I'm bewildered by Hibs 0666 almost obsessive defence of all things Sevco. He is the only Hibs fan I know, & that includes through this forum, peddling this line so regularly & aggressively. Now he seems to have adopted the Armageddon nonsense preached by those who are supposed to lead our game. Let's be clear here, other than the £250k fine which Sevco have not yet paid they have received no punishment. Ignoring their long term transgressions, where they lied & broke rules with impunity will only encourage them to do the same again & will leave every other club wondering why they bother to play within the rules. The real Armageddon occurs when the rule of law breaks down & self interest is the only guiding principle.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Jesus H. Have a look at what is happening in Scottish football and paint me the positives please.

Deary me.

How will letting The Rangers away with what they have done make Scottish football better?

Should we just put up and shut up?

[brog]

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Great stuff.

[QUOTE=happiehibbie;4515038]http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ssue-1-3964010 looks like the roof is coming down on them after all !


Jeez, for once their Gorgie cousins are trendsetters!

[hibs0666]

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I'm bewildered by Hibs 0666 almost obsessive defence of all things Sevco. He is the only Hibs fan I know, & that includes through this forum, peddling this line so regularly & aggressively. Now he seems to have adopted the Armageddon nonsense preached by those who are supposed to lead our game. Let's be clear here, other than the £250k fine which Sevco have not yet paid they have received no punishment. Ignoring their long term transgressions, where they lied & broke rules with impunity will only encourage them to do the same again & will leave every other club wondering why they bother to play within the rules. The real Armageddon occurs when the rule of law breaks down & self interest is the only guiding principle.

Once again...

1. the huns died - how much more punishment can be inflicted on a corpse?
2. we need to make sure the new huns pay the fine, plus interest, for breaching the regulations on disclosure of the side letters
3. rather than endless naval gazing, implement a new governance structure that serves to address the myriad issues that has caused our game to become an increasing irrelevance.

[hibs0666]

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How will letting The Rangers away with what they have done make Scottish football better?

Should we just put up and shut up?

That club is dead - how exactly can a club that died get away with it?

[hibs0666]

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Totally disagree. The game is showing signs of life. First hopes of a recovery for a very long time.

What are the biggest signs of improvement that you are seeing?

[brog]

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Once again...

1. the huns died - how much more punishment can be inflicted on a corpse?
2. we need to make sure the new huns pay the fine, plus interest, for breaching the regulations on disclosure of the side letters
3. rather than endless naval gazing, implement a new governance structure that serves to address the myriad issues that has caused our game to become an increasing irrelevance.

I agree re your points 1 & 2 but yet again you fail to explain how ignoring repeated & long term transgressions benefits Scottish football. You also wrongly still refer to their liquidation as a punishment.

[Mr White]

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What are the biggest signs of improvement that you are seeing?

The list of different teams that have won the 2 major cup competitions in the last 5 years for one. I make it 9 different sides have won silverware since 2010. The most competitive 5 year period for many decades no?

[Blaster]

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WhiIe I prefer your adverb, the report says 'actively'.

It didn't originally but they have changed it now. I preferred their original effort too!

[hibs0666]

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I agree re your points 1 & 2 but yet again you fail to explain how ignoring repeated & long term transgressions benefits Scottish football. You also wrongly still refer to their liquidation as a punishment.

That's the thing - I don't think they have been ignored - the side letters that everyone is getting excited about have already been dealt with, the old huns have been terminated and the new huns have been absent from top-flight football for the four seasons.

I understand the blood lust, but I do not understand the argument that the huns have not been punished. I recognise that the old huns could have been treated more harshly, but I do not understand what is to be gained by kicking them further now that it is a corpse.

[blackpoolhibs]

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That club is dead - how exactly can a club that died get away with it?

They would deny that wouldn't they? You dont answer why it's such a good thing to ignore their cheating and completely ignore how the trophy's have been much more spread out over the last few years now we dont have a team cheating?

Would you prefer it was back to normal with both Glasgow bigots trying to outdo each other and the rest of us feeding off the scraps?

[hibs0666]

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They would deny that wouldn't they? You dont answer why it's such a good thing to ignore their cheating and completely ignore how the trophy's have been much more spread out over the last few years now we dont have a team cheating?

Would you prefer it was back to normal with both Glasgow bigots trying to outdo each other and the rest of us feeding off the scraps?

The cheating has been dealt with already. The duopoly will more likely than not return within the next few years due to the ability of the new huns and celtic to generate income that is way in excess of the rest of scottish football combined.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The cheating has been dealt with already. The duopoly will more likely than not return within the next few years due to the ability of the new huns and celtic to generate income that is way in excess of the rest of scottish football combined.

In what way?

[blackpoolhibs]

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The cheating has been dealt with already. The duopoly will more likely than not return within the next few years due to the ability of the new huns and celtic to generate income that is way in excess of the rest of scottish football combined.

No its not, it's clearly still going on and it's going on because of their lies.

Burn the *******s.

[Paisley Hibby]

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That club is dead - how exactly can a club that died get away with it?

But we're constantly being told by The Rangers and their fans that the club didn't die; it was the company that owned the club which died. If that's right the club WOULD be getting away with it if they got to keep all the honours they won with financial doping?

[hibs0666]

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No its not, it's clearly still going on and it's going on because of their lies.

Burn the *******s.

Are you saying that the new huns are avoiding paying tax to fund players salaries that could not otherwise be afforded?

[hhibs]

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I'm bewildered by Hibs 0666 almost obsessive defence of all things Sevco. He is the only Hibs fan I know, & that includes through this forum, peddling this line so regularly & aggressively. Now he seems to have adopted the Armageddon nonsense preached by those who are supposed to lead our game. Let's be clear here, other than the £250k fine which Sevco have not yet paid they have received no punishment. Ignoring their long term transgressions, where they lied & broke rules with impunity will only encourage them to do the same again & will leave every other club wondering why they bother to play within the rules. The real Armageddon occurs when the rule of law breaks down & self interest is the only guiding principle.

Have to agree with your thoughts on this ,almost as if determined to be contrary for the sake of it.No doubt a great hibee but this continued position is baffling.

[hibs0666]

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But we're constantly being told by The Rangers and their fans that the club didn't die; it was the company that owned the club which died. If that's right the club WOULD be getting away with it if they got to keep all the honours they won with financial doping?

Well you have to form your own opinions on that one. I think that they are wrong, and the original club no longer exists.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Are you saying that the new huns are avoiding paying tax to fund players salaries that could not otherwise be afforded?

Why would i think that?