Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Ozyhibby]

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Not so sure about his version of how HMRC became aware of the EBT issue. Other than that, thus far seems pretty decent.

I'm pretty sure that's how they became aware Rangers were abusing the scheme. I think the scheme itself was common knowledge, it was the existence of side letters that put Rangers in the dock.


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[Mikey09]

Was working last night and had Sportsound on... Yes I know!! I was so angered by the Rangers apologists especially Richard Wilson, I think that's his name, I text them to let them know my views. This was more to get it off my chest, however they read it out. I won't bore you all with what I said but it was all facts. Now when I said they read it out they read out MOST of it... Missing out one sentance at the end that stated, "Rangers, just like Hearts, have been a complete embarrassment to Scottish football over these past few years". This one bit wasn't read out... Wonder why?!

[CallumLaidlaw]

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So Jim Traynor wrote The Rangers / King press release yesterday. I thought he'd moved on from Ibrox. If not then he certainly sounds rattled going by yesterday's statement and also suffering from selective / inaccurate memory.

Funnily enough, Scotzine themselves reported it - http://www.scotzine.com/2013/11/jame...ommunications/

[JeMeSouviens]

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Funnily enough, Scotzine themselves reported it - http://www.scotzine.com/2013/11/jame...ommunications/

He's not directly employed by the New Huns any more, but he started his own PR company, Level 5, whose main (only?) client is the New Huns.

[jacomo]

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So Jim Traynor wrote The Rangers / King press release yesterday. I thought he'd moved on from Ibrox. If not then he certainly sounds rattled going by yesterday's statement and also suffering from selective / inaccurate memory.

It certainly read like the kind of tripe Traynor has penned in the past.

The archetypal keyboard warrior - hiding behind the identity of Rangers or King to publish intemperate rants.

[Scorrie]

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I'm pretty sure that's how they became aware Rangers were abusing the scheme. I think the scheme itself was common knowledge, it was the existence of side letters that put Rangers in the dock.


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If that is true how HMRC found out then the Newcastle manager who bought Boumsong was Souness IRRC who allegedly received an EBT payment. A delicious irony that a Souness transfer could have led to the whole big hoose of cards falling...

[JimBHibees]

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It certainly read like the kind of tripe Traynor has penned in the past.

The archetypal keyboard warrior - hiding behind the identity of Rangers or King to publish intemperate rants.

Incredible that clown is still involved in the game given his behaviour when at the Record such as when emailing Whyte to ok what he put in an article and now still taking cash from Rangers. Only in Scotland would he still be this involved, absolutely shameless and total lack of integriity, he really is the archetypal succulent lamb.

[stubru59]

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Certain players may not have signed for the club without the perceived benefit of personal tax savings, but there was no general advantage for the player squad, or the performance on the pitch"

That sounds so contradictory to me. We got players who we might not have got, our first choices in fact, because of the Tax evasion but there was no sporting advantage in us getting these preferred players. Why not just get the cheaper players and pay taxes in the first place.

It does and more importantly it contradicts what King said in 2012. An article in todays (Friday 13 Nov 2015) Herald quotes Kings as saying he understands where folk are coming from (re the perception of cheating) and that Rangers should apologise for this.

Sorry, can't do the link.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'm pretty sure that's how they became aware Rangers were abusing the scheme. I think the scheme itself was common knowledge, it was the existence of side letters that put Rangers in the dock.


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You might be right.

My memory, though, is that HMRC were attacking EBT's in general, not just RFC's. As you say, the existence of RFC's scheme was in the public domain, therefore they were fair game.

I would question, though, how the author would "know" what he says about HMRC's involvement. They are notoriously reticent about individual cases.

[Ozyhibby]

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If that is true how HMRC found out then the Newcastle manager who bought Boumsong was Souness IRRC who allegedly received an EBT payment. A delicious irony that a Souness transfer could have led to the whole big hoose of cards falling...

All former Rangers managers and players who became managers have form when it comes to paying top dollar for players from David Murray's Rangers.
Souness received his EBT ten years after he left Rangers, coincidently at the same time he was signing Tugay from Rangers to Blackburn. Just a coincidence though.


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[jacomo]

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Incredible that clown is still involved in the game given his behaviour when at the Record such as when emailing Whyte to ok what he put in an article and now still taking cash from Rangers. Only in Scotland would he still be this involved, absolutely shameless and total lack of integriity, he really is the archetypal succulent lamb.

Traynor is the perfect mouthpiece for The Rangers though. A nasty piece of work with an overinflated sense of importance.

No wonder the hordes lap it up. He speaks their language.

[ACLeith]

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All former Rangers managers and players who became managers have form when it comes to paying top dollar for players from David Murray's Rangers.
Souness received his EBT ten years after he left Rangers, coincidently at the same time he was signing Tugay from Rangers to Blackburn. Just a coincidence though.

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IIRC, the BBC programme by Mark Daly implied very strongly that the 2 actions were linked though they had to watch what they said as I guess there is no proof.

[CentreLine]

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IIRC, the BBC programme by Mark Daly implied very strongly that the 2 actions were linked though they had to watch what they said as I guess there is no proof.

But it does rather look like the BBC have backed off talking about The Rangers problems since they renegotiated their return to cover games at Ibrox. Sad really that this shower seem to still manage to manipulate the press right up to and including the National Broadcaster. The mainstream media should hang its collective head in shame at their part in this mess.

[Treadstone]

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Not so sure about his version of how HMRC became aware of the EBT issue. Other than that, thus far seems pretty decent.

Willie Mackay sets off all sorts of klaxons where finance and football intersect.

[Geo_1875]

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It certainly read like the kind of tripe Traynor has penned in the past.

The archetypal keyboard warrior - hiding behind the identity of Rangers or King to publish intemperate rants.

I imagine him reading that out from the top of the marble staircase with union flags as a backdrop.

[Ozyhibby]

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But it does rather look like the BBC have backed off talking about The Rangers problems since they renegotiated their return to cover games at Ibrox. Sad really that this shower seem to still manage to manipulate the press right up to and including the National Broadcaster. The mainstream media should hang its collective head in shame at their part in this mess.

Luckily we don't have to rely on the mainstream media any more.


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[GreenLake]

They will always want the pitch to be tilted in their favor. Like Rockefeller, they think "competition is a sin".

What is good for Scottish football? Competition.

Competition is the very thing that cheats seek to destroy.

[MrSmith]

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Willie Mackay sets off all sorts of klaxons where finance and football intersect.

He definitely does and is an inextricable link between this whole EBT/cheating fiasco. Hope he gets done too!!!!

[Mikey09]

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They will always want the pitch to be tilted in their favor. Like Rockefeller, they think "competition is a sin".

What is good for Scottish football? Competition.

Competition is the very thing that cheats seek to destroy.

What a fantastic post.

[Radium]

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Was working last night and had Sportsound on... Yes I know!! I was so angered by the Rangers apologists especially Richard Wilson, I think that's his name, I text them to let them know my views. This was more to get it off my chest, however they read it out. I won't bore you all with what I said but it was all facts. Now when I said they read it out they read out MOST of it... Missing out one sentance at the end that stated, "Rangers, just like Hearts, have been a complete embarrassment to Scottish football over these past few years". This one bit wasn't read out... Wonder why?!

In my opinion Richard Wilson currently sums up most of what has been wrong with sports journalist throughout this saga. He makes what could be a cogent and valid point, but does nothing to establish the facts.

His point is that 'it may not be possible for the SPFL to punish TRFC re EBTs and the failure to pay tax, because the rules at the time were different and current rules cannot be applied retrospectively.'

I must admit that I do not know the answer, but would have expected that given he made the point on Monday's show, that he would have looked into it and been able to be fairly definitive when discussed on Wednesday.

Good interview with meatball though.

[Peevemor]

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In my opinion Richard Wilson currently sums up most of what has been wrong with sports journalist throughout this saga...

I don't believe it!

[ACLeith]

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But it does rather look like the BBC have backed off talking about The Rangers problems since they renegotiated their return to cover games at Ibrox. Sad really that this shower seem to still manage to manipulate the press right up to and including the National Broadcaster. The mainstream media should hang its collective head in shame at their part in this mess.

Craigie boy threatened them with legal action over the first programme but as every part was backed up with real evidence then that was far as he went. And the BBC went ahead with the second programme. We now need Mark Daly to complete the trilogy but would they have the guts to let him do that now?

[Glesgahibby]

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In my opinion Richard Wilson currently sums up most of what has been wrong with sports journalist throughout this saga. He makes what could be a cogent and valid point, but does nothing to establish the facts.

His point is that 'it may not be possible for the SPFL to punish TRFC re EBTs and the failure to pay tax, because the rules at the time were different and current rules cannot be applied retrospectively.'

I must admit that I do not know the answer, but would have expected that given he made the point on Monday's show, that he would have looked into it and been able to be fairly definitive when discussed on Wednesday.

Good interview with meatball though.

Another way of saying the LNS report is binding.
they always quote that" because of the LNS report the question of inelagble players was dealt with"
now they are saying the SFA need to wait to see if there is an appeal regarding the ebt verdict.
why did they not wait for any appeal before lord nimmos report?
the LNS report will be thrown out!

[Ozyhibby]

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Another way of saying the LNS report is binding.
they always quote that" because of the LNS report the question of inelagble players was dealt with"
now they are saying the SFA need to wait to see if there is an appeal regarding the ebt verdict.
why did they not wait for any appeal before lord nimmos report?
the LNS report will be thrown out!

By not paying the fine, Sevco have not accepted LNS's verdict so it should be set aside and a new enquiry launched.


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[Glesgahibby]

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By not paying the fine, Sevco have not accepted LNS's verdict so it should be set aside and a new enquiry launched.


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Did they not pay it via default,as in the SFA took it from there end of season money?
I hope I'm wrong

[Ozyhibby]

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Did they not pay it via default,as in the SFA took it from there end of season money?
I hope I'm wrong

No it's still outstanding.
£250k + £150k costs


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[Ozyhibby]

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...brook-iceberg/


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[Ozyhibby]

"The team are paid by Sevco, play at a ground owned by Sevco, trained by a manager who is employed by Sevco, fans buy tickets from Sevco"

Yesterday's quote from Charles Green's Lawyer.
Has anyone managed to find this anywhere in the mainstream press?


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[Glesgahibby]

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No it's still outstanding.
£250k + £150k costs


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Cheers ozz

[southsider]

Reading JJ's latest blog he seems to think MA might try to get King struck off as he was a director of a company (old co) that wilfully made false statements to HMRC. Also could King and D. Murray be charged with deception and fraud ?