Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[greenginger]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Read somewhere that if titles were stripped the new winners could face claims from player's re bonuses....On the other side could the Clubs claim for loss of money from SFA or UEFA?

Anyhow, should just be stripped of titles, and the records showing no winners in the cheating years.......(IMO)

Agree ! the cheating years is a good way of keeping the memory of what happened so it won't be allowed to happen again.

The Yams should also be scrutinised during their Vlad years.

[leggeto]

What happened with Marseille when they won the European cup are they still listed as winners

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

He clearly says that had it not been for the financial/tax set up, certain players wouldn't have signed but goes on to say that didn't give them an advantage on the pitch!!

What a load of lies. This is just going to turn every other club against them even more than they already are against them.

No-one likes them, they don't care! :-)

Looking forward to the details from King re their "demotion".

[Bostonhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

At today's Court hearing can anyone give a brief summary of what Rangers defence against Greens claim was based on ?

He wasn't a multimillionaire fan of the now defunct Glasgow rangers after all?

Therefore any mason in their right mind would immediately order that he be taken from the court to a place of public execution in the Govan area before he utters a word?

[Hibernia&Alba]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Dave King statement:

It is disappointing that a debate has re-emerged around the subject of Rangers’ history in Scottish football. It must be especially frustrating for the Club’s supporters who again find individuals within the structures of Scottish football unfairly targeting the Club.

As the one individual who was a major shareholder and director throughout the period that gave rise to the HMRC dispute, and again find myself in a similar capacity, I believe that I am uniquely positioned to make three important observations.

First, irrespective of the final outcome of the tax appeal (which might take several more years) the football team had no advantage from any tax savings from the scheme put in place by the Murray Group. Throughout the period in question the shareholders were committed to providing funding to the Club. The tax scheme may have reduced the need for shareholders to provide higher levels of funding so, as I have tried to make clear in the past, any advantage gained would have been to the company and its shareholders, not the team. Certain players may not have signed for the Club without the perceived benefit of personal tax savings but there was no general advantage for the player squad, or the performance on the pitch. We would still have signed players of equal abilities if one or two had decided they didn’t want to sign under different financial circumstances.

Secondly, Lord Nimmo Smith has fully and finally dealt with the legitimacy of the continuity of the Club’s history. There is no more to be debated on that issue.

Finally, it is extraordinary that representatives of other Scottish clubs – who admit the damage done to Scottish football by Rangers’ removal from the Premier League – should even wish to re-engage with this issue. It is time those individuals, who represent other clubs, recognise their legal and fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and shareholders rather than submit to the uninformed ramblings of a few outspoken fans to whom attacking Rangers is more important than the wellbeing of their own clubs.

This is a misguided attempt (that will ultimately fail) to rewrite history and defeat Rangers off the park when their teams could not do so on the park at the time. The history of many other clubs would have to be rewritten if this illogical argument was to be consistently applied.

Having reviewed documentation that has become available to me I believe that Rangers was harshly and, in some instances, unfairly treated in the period leading up to demotion from the Premier League. However, that is now history and I have publicly stated, with the full support of the recently installed board, that we wish to put the past behind us and move on in partnership with all clubs throughout Scotland to improve and restore the image and quality of Scottish football as a whole. This will be to the benefit of all clubs.

For the avoidance of doubt, however, I wish to make one point clear. If the history of our Club comes under attack we will deal with it in the strongest manner possible and will hold to account those persons who have acted against their fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and to Scottish football.

It's time you stopped talking pish and stopped cheating, Hun. It isn't we who are re-writing history, it's your abomination of a bigoted ex-club; the club that folded due to being unable to make ends meet. Don't pretend it didn't happen.

[Jim44]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Read somewhere that if titles were stripped the new winners could face claims from player's re bonuses....On the other side could the Clubs claim for loss of money from SFA or UEFA?

Anyhow, should just be stripped of titles, and the records showing no winners in the cheating years.......(IMO)

A week or so ago I posted, half tongue in cheek, half serious, that, if they are stripped of their titles, they should still be named as winners but clearly qualified as non-counting due to 'unfair advantage taken'. This would be a strong, public, permanent indictment of Oldco. Maybe not such a daft suggestion after all.

[jacomo]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

What happened with Marseille when they won the European cup are they still listed as winners

They were relegated and banned from Europe.

[jacomo]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

"If the history of our club comes under attack, we will deal with it in the strongest manner possible and will hold to account those persons who have acted against their fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and to Scottish football."

Tbf he's got a point.

As far as I know they won Div 3 and Div 2 titles legitimately (albeit by spending a huge amount of money).

What other history do they have?

[Greenblood70]

Sevco are as good as dead imo -it is only a matter of time.

Good riddance when they finally are flushed away like the persistant toleys they are. I will certainly raise a glass in celebration. I despise them, thier bigotry, cheating and arrogance.

Kings increasingly unhinged ramblings and actions must surely be scaring off any remaining, reluctant allies. Interesting to read and hear some huns now saying it's all part of greater master plan of Kings to force an insolvency event. I think they are crediting him with far too much intelligence personally. Clutching at straws imo.

[Andy74]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

He clearly says that had it not been for the financial/tax set up, certain players wouldn't have signed but goes on to say that didn't give them an advantage on the pitch!!

What a load of lies. This is just going to turn every other club against them even more than they already are against them.

Gross mismanagement if they didn't sign those cheaper players who would have been just as good.

[leggeto]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They were relegated and banned from Europe.

I know that but were they stripped of the trophy

[Skol]

Wouldnt it be refreshing if just for once someone faced up to reality and accepted responsibility for what they did.

Both Hearts and Rangers fail to see anything wrong in what they did.

I would like to think that in their shoes Hibs would have held their hand up and said - yep we were wrong

Even the Russians are going to accept some of the doping allegations against them

[Ozyhibby]

Love the way they are all quoting Lord Nimmo Smith without having paid the fine.
The Sevco way.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[PatHead]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Dave King statement:

It is disappointing that a debate has re-emerged around the subject of Rangers’ history in Scottish football. It must be especially frustrating for the Club’s supporters who again find individuals within the structures of Scottish football unfairly targeting the Club.

As the one individual who was a major shareholder and director throughout the period that gave rise to the HMRC dispute, and again find myself in a similar capacity, I believe that I am uniquely positioned to make three important observations.

First, irrespective of the final outcome of the tax appeal (which might take several more years) the football team had no advantage from any tax savings from the scheme put in place by the Murray Group. Throughout the period in question the shareholders were committed to providing funding to the Club. The tax scheme may have reduced the need for shareholders to provide higher levels of funding so, as I have tried to make clear in the past, any advantage gained would have been to the company and its shareholders, not the team. Certain players may not have signed for the Club without the perceived benefit of personal tax savings but there was no general advantage for the player squad, or the performance on the pitch. We would still have signed players of equal abilities if one or two had decided they didn’t want to sign under different financial circumstances.

Secondly, Lord Nimmo Smith has fully and finally dealt with the legitimacy of the continuity of the Club’s history. There is no more to be debated on that issue.

Finally, it is extraordinary that representatives of other Scottish clubs – who admit the damage done to Scottish football by Rangers’ removal from the Premier League – should even wish to re-engage with this issue. It is time those individuals, who represent other clubs, recognise their legal and fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and shareholders rather than submit to the uninformed ramblings of a few outspoken fans to whom attacking Rangers is more important than the wellbeing of their own clubs.

This is a misguided attempt (that will ultimately fail) to rewrite history and defeat Rangers off the park when their teams could not do so on the park at the time. The history of many other clubs would have to be rewritten if this illogical argument was to be consistently applied.

Having reviewed documentation that has become available to me I believe that Rangers was harshly and, in some instances, unfairly treated in the period leading up to demotion from the Premier League. However, that is now history and I have publicly stated, with the full support of the recently installed board, that we wish to put the past behind us and move on in partnership with all clubs throughout Scotland to improve and restore the image and quality of Scottish football as a whole. This will be to the benefit of all clubs.

For the avoidance of doubt, however, I wish to make one point clear. If the history of our Club comes under attack we will deal with it in the strongest manner possible and will hold to account those persons who have acted against their fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and to Scottish football.

He is off his rocker. At least he acknowledges that he was on the watch whilst the EBTs were getting handed out.

Regarding his comment about teams having to re-write history the only bit needing altered would be 3-0 victories whenever playing Rangers. As the trophy was withheld no alteration in league places would take place, no resultant lawsuits etc. It is a win for everyone by the now dead club.

That statement is about as powerful as bringing a knife to a gunfight. (to paraphrase the untouchables)

[Benny Brazil]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I know that but were they stripped of the trophy

Not according to the UEFA website - they are still listed as the winners in 1993

[leggeto]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not according to the UEFA website - they are still listed as the winners in 1993

Did the French strip them of anything

[ballengeich]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I know that but were they stripped of the trophy

I think they got to keep the European trophy as the offences they were found guilty of only related to domestic matches in France.

[high bee]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The guy is not of this world. His inane ramblings get more bizarre as each day passes.

The strain is showing, I think he is having a bit of a meltdown that things are likely worse than he expected/than is reported in the mainstream media.

[Benny Brazil]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Did the French strip them of anything

Again looking at the French FA website they are still listed as champions in 1988/89 - 1991/92 so not sure if they did

[leggeto]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I think they got to keep the European trophy as the offences they were found guilty of only related to domestic matches in France.

Hmmm looks like they will be keeping them then,anyone else apart from the old and infirm would be stripped of all

[God Petrie]

I'm eagerly awaiting the next Hertz fans' article pointing out the nuanced ways in which Hertz are pure amazing and Rangers are evil cheats.

[Ozyhibby]

Does this accurately reflect what we know went on in court today?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...rs-pay-6821547

No club company mention?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[PatHead]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Does this accurately reflect what we know went on in court today?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...rs-pay-6821547

No club company mention?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Really balanced reporting......................................... .....not.

[Jim44]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Sevco are as good as dead imo -it is only a matter of time.

Good riddance when they finally are flushed away like the persistant toleys they are. I will certainly raise a glass in celebration. I despise them, thier bigotry, cheating and arrogance.

Kings increasingly unhinged ramblings and actions must surely be scaring off any remaining, reluctant allies. Interesting to read and hear some huns now saying it's all part of greater master plan of Kings to force an insolvency event. I think they are crediting him with far too much intelligence personally. Clutching at straws imo.

They are having multiple orgasms on FF over Lying King's statement. They seem to think he has played an absolute master card.

[Hibernia&Alba]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They are having multiple orgasms on FF over Lying King's statement. They seem to think he has played an absolute master card.

They used to react in the same way to every Ian Paisley remark. Such is their level of credibility.

[GreenLake]

The only thing King can hold to account is money due for tax.

[PatHead]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

They are having multiple orgasms on FF over Lying King's statement. They seem to think he has played an absolute master card.

Had the desired effect then.

Bet they are out buying their half seasons which co-incidentally went on sale today.

[Big L]

Reading today that they are prepared to sell players at the break if the price is right. They can only be referring to Waghorn and Tavernier, they are the only ones they would get money for, that would be a BONUS!!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Reading today that they are prepared to sell players at the break if the price is right. They can only be referring to Waghorn and Tavernier, they are the only ones they would get money for, that would be a BONUS!!

They'd get a decent wedge for the gun slinger too.

[ano hibby]

Look away for half a day & miss 8 pages!
Any kind soul care to summarise in a tweet length précis?