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  • Opposed - and will walk away from Scottish professional football

    537 52.85%

  • Opposed - but will continue to support the game.

    454 44.69%

  • In favour.

    25 2.46%
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  1. 12-11-2015 02:11 PM #30871
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: LNS par 33 on articles of definitions from SPL. "club means undertaking of a football club".


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  2. 12-11-2015 02:12 PM #30872
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: LNS par 37. In SPL rules, club is an association football club eligible to participate in league and includes owner/operator


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  3. 12-11-2015 02:13 PM #30873
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: One cannot be the chief executive of a thing which cannot enter into contracts


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  4. 12-11-2015 02:13 PM #30874
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    @jamesdoleman: Brown Says a club is an "undertaking" of it's owners and as it "has neither capacity of personality" no-one can be CEO of it.


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  5. 12-11-2015 02:14 PM #30875
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: Difference between Rangers and Woolworths... Any Newco of Woolworths would have bought the undertaking. Not the personality.


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  6. 12-11-2015 02:14 PM #30876
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    @jamesdoleman: Brown "The idea someone can be CEO of an undertaking is just nonsense."


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  7. 12-11-2015 02:15 PM #30877
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: What act did this "club" as distinct from Sevco Scotland carry out for Green?


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  8. 12-11-2015 02:15 PM #30878
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: How and why was Green appointed to the "club"? On what terms?


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  9. 12-11-2015 02:16 PM #30879
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: The business is the preparation of a pro football team. Players employed by Sevco. Using brands owned by Sevco


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  10. 12-11-2015 02:16 PM #30880
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: Manager employed by Sevco. Customers of Sevco buy tickets from Sevco.


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  11. 12-11-2015 02:17 PM #30881
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    @jamesdoleman: "The team are paid by Sevco, play at a ground owned by Sevco trained by a manager who is employed by Sevco, fans buy tickets from Sevco"
    1/2


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  12. 12-11-2015 02:18 PM #30882
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: LNS par 46. Of course one has an undertaking and assets which can be bought and sold. This happens all the time.


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  13. 12-11-2015 02:18 PM #30883
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    James Doleman ‏@jamesdoleman 4s5 seconds ago
    Brown "What is the players went one way and the ground another, where is the "club" then.?

    One for the pro-Hun metaphysicists there?
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  14. 12-11-2015 02:19 PM #30884
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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: Clearly basket of assets is not single, indivisible thing. What if grounds go one place, players the other? What is a club then?


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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: I accept matter of whether it is same club or not is a matter of life or death for some people


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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: It's a leap, in the interest of continuity, that the parties in this contract did not intend to be involved in the act carried on


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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: One is trying to find out what the parties meant by Rangers Football Club


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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: Defies belief parties meant to indemnify against non-existent threat and not against real threat of proceedings.


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    @jamesdoleman: Brown says that Green "was prepared to depart the scene without fuss," but if he was "dragged back in" agreement was "you pay the lawyers."


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    Chuckie 2-1 up ?

    Whats happening Ozy ? Are sevco bringing on the subs ?
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    Can't believe RIFC went down the club/company distinction route. Even if it wasn't all obviously bollocks and amorphous clubs really were floating about in the ether, it's stretching credulity to believe Green and RIFC signed up to a legal indemnity clause relating to a position in something without legal personality.

    Their other defence - that a la Andy Coulson, if someone is alleged to have done something illegal that's against the interest of the company, they wouldn't expect indemnity - seems a bit more hopeful for them.

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  22. 12-11-2015 02:39 PM #30892
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    @jamesdoleman: Brown says costs decision can not wait until criminal case is over "The rainy day has arrived" he tells the court.


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    @jamesdoleman: Brown says the wording of the indemnity agreement shows "it was to be as wide as possible."


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    @STVGrant: CG lawyer: Costs decision can't wait until end of the trial. Can't be based on an outcome which may not come to pass


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    @jamesdoleman: Brown Says a club is an "undertaking" of it's owners and as it "has neither capacity of personality" no-one can be CEO of it.


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    I'm sorry, what?

    Is the lawyer just trying to bamboozle people into submission?
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    @jamesdoleman: Court now discussing timetable for forthcoming criminal case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    @jamesdoleman: Brown says costs decision can not wait until criminal case is over "The rainy day has arrived" he tells the court.
    In all honesty this is bang on. If you believe you are right on all this you will hire the best representation available if someone else is picking up the tab. If you know you might have to pay you will look for the best available at the sum you can afford.
    Two very different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacomoseven View Post
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    I'm sorry, what?

    Is the lawyer just trying to bamboozle people into submission?
    He's saying that even if you follow the LNS/SFA/Hun terminology and accept there are metaphysical "club" entities, nobody could be called the "Chief Exec" of such a thing, so that can't possibly be what's meant in the indemnity clause in Green's termination agreement.
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    @STVGrant: Jonathan Brown, lawyer for Charles Green, concludes his argument. Lord Doherty notes a number of typographical errors on his submission.


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    @STVGrant: James Wolffe, lawyer for Rangers, says there are two matters he wishes to pick up on.


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