Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Mr White]

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It's about breaking the rules. There's no reason for calling him back (they don't say about him being injured or anything) so why he has been is unknown. Maybe they plan to use him this weekend. They've already said they'll stop players going on international duty

Yeah, I wonder if raith might have been better highlighting that by requesting their player be released, though I respect them for not wanting to deny the player his chance with the national side. I'm not sure it's as simple as rule breaking tbh. If the club request a player's release and the sfa allow it then where's the problem? Different scenario to claiming injury to take it out of the association's hands.

Re the bit in bold, that would likely work in raiths favour if it meant miller or waghorn being dropped

[jonty]

Apparently you can pay a charge and have a player released, which Raith were unwilling to do. It doesn't say if the Rangers paid up front (or at all)

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...craig-wighton/

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This has come down to money. Rangers can pay to fly Hardie home, Raith can't for Wighton. bit.ly/1hEc7Q8

[Billy Whizz]

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Apparently you can pay a charge and have a player released, which Raith were unwilling to do. It doesn't say if the Rangers paid up front (or at all)

That's so wrong. This is a player in the under 19's, who may never get s chance to represent his country at any level in the future

[Bostonhibby]

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I'm no CDL but don't they have to appear next week to enter the plea as the charges will be on a petition charge sheet.


Just a hunch, but my money is on Not Guilty plea being entered by the four of them.

The big dilemma for the prosecution will be where the trial takes place, i really can't see it taking place at Glasgow High Court.

How are they going to find a judge with no masonic / the now defunct Glasgow rangers tendencies in the Scottish Judicial system?

[hhibs]

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I wonder if a question will be, who do they support

OR


"what school did you go to ?"

OR

"What is your favourite flute band ?"

[jonty]

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That's so wrong. This is a player in the under 19's, who may never get s chance to represent his country at any level in the future

Looks like the 'fee' may be the cost to fly the player home. Wouldn't be surprised if the U19s player for Rangers paid it himself on the promise of 'reimbursement' .
Either that or someone at the SFA is trying to make a quick buck

Rangers assistant manager asked for Hardie to be released early prior to Scotland's flight on Monday, a request which was granted by the Scottish FA.
At that point, STV understands Raith were then approached and offered the opportunity for Wighton to also be released early.
Both flew out for the first game in a double header with Bulgaria. However, Rangers then paid for Hardie's early return. It is understood Raith were unwilling to do likewise for their player.

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/gen...-makes-a-move/


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[CropleyWasGod]

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http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/gen...-makes-a-move/


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Taking that blog, adding in the charge against Green....stirring a bit....we come up with the idea that CG has purloined Murray Park for himself.

It's a bit fanciful....but, if it's true...Ashley 's lawyers, Rangers ex-auditors and Rangers current Board will all be cacking themselves for different reasons.

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[Mr White]

Phil macs the celtic equivalent of that nutjob that hides in the bushes at east mains with the breaking rumour nonsense no?

[Billy Whizz]

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Taking that blog, adding in the charge against Green....stirring a bit....we come up with the idea that CG has purloined Murray Park for himself.

It's a bit fanciful....but, if it's true...Ashley 's lawyers, Rangers ex-auditors and Rangers current Board will all be cacking themselves for different reasons.

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Crops, maybe it's just me, I'm now totally confused with this whole thing, since Whyte bought from Murray.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Phil macs the celtic equivalent of that nutjob that hides in the bushes at east mains with the breaking rumour nonsense no?

Actually, I am now running with Phil's thoughts now.....the telly is crap.

Maybe we're getting to the bottom of why Deloittes resigned as auditors. Maybe they realised that they f'd up.

Or maybe I'm turning into Phil?

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[Mr White]

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Actually, I am now running with Phil's thoughts now.....the telly is crap.

Maybe we're getting to the bottom of why Deloittes resigned as auditors. Maybe they realised that they f'd up.

Or maybe I'm turning into Phil?

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Reading that last blog post it seems hard not to dismiss it as assumption based on currently reported fact dressed up as look at me I'm itk. Mind you even a broken clock etc... him not you btw

[Ozyhibby]

What I really want is a full court case where there is full disclosure and the SFA must give evidence on the nature of their involvement.
My only other wish would by an insolvency event this season and the 25pt penalty that goes with it.



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[CropleyWasGod]

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Reading that last blog post it seems hard not to dismiss it as assumption based on currently reported fact dressed up as look at me I'm itk. Mind you even a broken clock etc... him not you btw

Yeah that's what the head is saying. But there have been so many twists in this case......

The film is going to be a belter.

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[Billy Whizz]

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What I really want is a full court case where there is full disclosure and the SFA must give evidence on the nature of their involvement.
My only other wish would by an insolvency event this season and the 25pt penalty that goes with it.



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Far too lenient

[Ozyhibby]

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Far too lenient

You know me Bill, always been the forgiving type.


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[Jack]

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Yeah that's what the head is saying. But there have been so many twists in this case......

The film is going to be a belter.

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Question:

Are any of the current shenanigans likely to have any impact on the club known as the rangers?

If so how?

While I appreciate you normally answer such questions in accounting terms ... ;-)

[CropleyWasGod]

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Question:

Are any of the current shenanigans likely to have any impact on the club known as the rangers?

If so how?

While I appreciate you normally answer such questions in accounting terms ...

It's very doubtful. For one thing, the Court cases won't start until well into next year.

However, IF Phil is right and CG has snaffled Murray Park without telling anybody. ...MA will call in his loan, which might trigger an insolvency event and Ozy will get half his wish.

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[AndyM_1875]

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Actually, I am now running with Phil's thoughts now.....the telly is crap.

Maybe we're getting to the bottom of why Deloittes resigned as auditors. Maybe they realised that they f'd up.

Or maybe I'm turning into Phil?

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As you are neither paranoid or criminally insane I very much doubt you are turning into Phil.

[CropleyWasGod]

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As you are neither paranoid or criminally insane I very much doubt you are turning into Phil.

Thanks for the compliment.... I think

Actually, been turning over the question of the charge against CG of transferring the "company property". I do find it hard to believe that he could transfer a building (Phil reckons Murray Park), without the auditors/MA's lawyers/Rangers' current Board/Rangers' current lawyers/diligent journalists/the general public/Green Ginger being able to find out.

It would be "easier" to do it with something less tangible.... say, the badges and stuff.

However, we're now getting into the area of speculation about the trial. The Crown office issued a warning the other day about that, so maybe we should stop. Any admin thoughts?

[greenginger]

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As you are neither paranoid or criminally insane I very much doubt you are turning into Phil.

I think we all know your feelings re Phil, but " Criminal " is going a bit far.

Phil is a bit paranoid I agree, but I think your equally paranoid about his paranoia.

Phil has got a few gems of info. long before other media, you've just got to ignore his infuriating writing style, recognise his agenda and his target audience .

[greenginger]

Regarding transfer of property, it is up to a purchaser/new owner if and when they register the new title with the Registers of Scotland. There is no legal requirement.

A signed , witnessed document with RIFC Company stamp on it may be lying in a lawyers office awaiting presentation as evidence of actual property ownership.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Regarding transfer of property, it is up to a purchaser/new owner if and when they register the new title with the Registers of Scotland. There is no legal requirement.

A signed , witnessed document with RIFC Company stamp on it may be lying in a lawyers office awaiting presentation as evidence of actual property ownership.

So how would MA's lawyers or RIFC's auditors establish title?

[Ozyhibby]

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Regarding transfer of property, it is up to a purchaser/new owner if and when they register the new title with the Registers of Scotland. There is no legal requirement.

A signed , witnessed document with RIFC Company stamp on it may be lying in a lawyers office awaiting presentation as evidence of actual property ownership.

Which is what has been alleged by Phil for a long time along with his allegation that the new Rangers have to pay £278,000 a month in rent for whatever it is that has been transferred.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Which is what has been alleged by Phil for a long time along with his allegation that the new Rangers have to pay £278,000 a month in rent for whatever it is that has been transferred.


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And it was shown that that lease was for catering equipment.

[Just Alf]

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And it was shown that that lease was for catering equipment.

Hmm. I remember that discussion a few pages back (then you destroyed my illusions! ) ......... But....... On 2nd thoughts, over a quarter of a £million per month on a few cookers, a kettle and a micro!!!!

[Ozyhibby]

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And it was shown that that lease was for catering equipment.

That's a lot of catering equipment?


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[CropleyWasGod]

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That's a lot of catering equipment?


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Yep, but the accounts are quite clear. "Hire of plant and equipment". Not "rent of property". They then explain it as "The finance leases relate to funding of the refurbishment of the stadium fast food outlets."

The accounts go on to say that the Properties (plural) have been valued by.... etc etc.

And the leases are nowhere near what Phil says. £477k pa according to the accounts.

[Ozyhibby]

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And it was shown that that lease was for catering equipment.

Everything changes so quickly in this saga. It was also shown on here a few months back that all the assets were in fact owned by Rangers and that you only had to check to see the title deeds or something.
Now Green ginger is saying that it's possible someone else owns them and they have not registered them and that there is no requirement for them to do so?
Given that the law are now involved, I think it would be difficult to rule anything out. I just hope that it has a disastrous effect on the new Rangers as I have come to dislike them as much as the old Rangers.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Yep, but the accounts are quite clear. "Hire of plant and equipment". Not "rent of property". They then explain it as "The finance leases relate to funding of the refurbishment of the stadium fast food outlets."

The accounts go on to say that the Properties (plural) have been valued by.... etc etc.

And the leases are nowehere near what Phil says. £477k pa according to the accounts.

Difficult to say it's the same thing if the amounts are different, no?
It is surely possible that there are two amounts leaving the club?
I'm pretty sure these guys could find a way of hiding the money given that it's estimated they spent about £70m in the two years after the ipo and nobody seems to know what on?


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