Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Deansy]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I'll start with the bit in bold as that presumably includes me.

I personally don't know where The Rangers will get their income from, how much that will be, and neither do you or anyone else on this forum I would respectfully suggest, unless you have sat in on Board meetings at Ibrox.

Where, for example would the money have come from to offer their new management team three year contracts? I don't think Warburton, a former City trader, would have allowed them to pull the wool over his eyes too easily, would he? I know King is a "glib and shameless liar", but that's stretching it a bit far.

You have set out a number of statements about the financial situation at the Ibrox club, much of it coming from press reports I presume. How accurate these statements/reports are, who knows, but it's clear they don't have financial problems to seek, I agree.

The fact that Ibrox is "falling down" - that's maybe a wee exaggeration I think. The fact that Tynecastle is in a much worse state than Ibrox didn't cause HMFC too many problems in strolling the Championship last season. Yes, they will have to address this issue sometime (as will HMFC) but it won't be in the foreseeable future IMO. It's what happens on the pitch next season that matters.

I doubt if the Huns will boycott Ibrox next season if their new management team can get results on the pitch. If (a big if) they do get good results, they will be back in droves along with all the associated gate receipts. Same as most clubs, just that they they have the advantage of a much larger fanbase compared to every club in Scotland, except Celtic.

That takes me on to my next point. You focus almost entirely on the money - the financial side of things. But it's not purely about money. It's about getting decent players in, getting them organised and motivated. The don't need to spend hundreds of thousands on transfer fees. They don't have that kind of money anyway you say. Neither do Hibs.

There are decent players out of contract, and pflayers can be brought in on loan. Better players than the deadwood they are getting rid off, which will free up wages. That's one reason, the main reason, why I think they will be better and stronger next season.

A lot will depend on who they bring in and how quickly they gell as a team, as I said in my previous post (I hope they don't!). They are not going to get rid of at least a dozen players (maybe more) and not bring anyone else in, at all, to replace them surely?

Whatever mess the Huns are in financially, I feel certain it will be between Hibs and The Rangers as to who will be first at the end of the season. It will become much clearer once everyone knows what sort of squad each club has by the time the season gets started.

I'm not in any way trying to defend the disgrace that is newco/Sevco - whatever they are called. I'd love to see them go to the wall, but I just don't think it's going to happen, no matter how much wishful thinking there is.

All of the above IMHO. Happy to be proven wrong later on down the line. Time will tell.

Not in disagreement with most of your post but I'd argue that MONEY is what changed Rangers when Lawrence Marlborough arrived and MONEY is what kept them at that level until they were caught - King cannot match that level of finance so, unless dubious practises return, I don't think their standard will improve from the current one , if anything, I actually believe they've hit their true historical-level.

[Geo_1875]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not in disagreement with most of your post but I'd argue that MONEY is what changed Rangers when Lawrence Marlborough arrived and MONEY is what kept them at that level until they were caught - King cannot match that level of finance so, unless dubious practises return, I don't think their standard will improve from the current one , if anything, I actually believe they've hit their true historical-level.

The strange thing for me is why so many supposedly minted hun supporters are circling like sharks rather than pooling their resources to take their club back to their "rightful place".

[Kato]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The strange thing for me is why so many supposedly minted hun supporters are circling like sharks rather than pooling their resources to take their club back to their "rightful place".

Ego

[J-C]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The strange thing for me is why so many supposedly minted hun supporters are circling like sharks rather than pooling their resources to take their club back to their "rightful place".

Many will be reluctant to put up as the Rangers are still in financial plight, there's still some stormy waters to cross in the forthcoming months.

[StevieC]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

The strange thing for me is why so many supposedly minted hun supporters are circling like sharks rather than pooling their resources to take their club back to their "rightful place".

I would think that most will be reluctant to put money in while there are still people fleecing money from the club. They'd effectively be subsidising someones "nice little earner".

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Many will be reluctant to put up as the Rangers are still in financial plight, there's still some stormy waters to cross in the forthcoming months.

Their competitive advantage over clubs like Hibs comes from :-

Ticket sales :- usually about 4 times what Hibs can manage. Just now it's about 2.5 times ours.
Merchandising :- don't know the figures but I would have thought pre 2012 it would have been 10-20 times higher than Hibs. Just now they are getting less income from this than Hibs and it may actually become a cost to them.
TV money :- previously the old firm got 80% of the TV money between them. Just now, Hibs will have got more TV money than them last season.
Pitch side advertising :- would previously have been a big earner for them, many multiples of what Hibs receive. Now, all of that money goes straight to Mash.
Strip sponsors :- again, their strip sponsorship deal would normally dwarf Hibs deal by many multiples. Until the £5m is paid back, it all goes to SD.

The only way they can spend big this summer is if DK spends his own money.
With all their overheads, it's possible that their player budget will be similar to ours this season.

[CropleyWasGod]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I would think that most will be reluctant to put money in while there are still people fleecing money from the club. They'd effectively be subsidising someones "nice little earner".

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

[jacomo]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not in disagreement with most of your post but I'd argue that MONEY is what changed Rangers when Lawrence Marlborough arrived and MONEY is what kept them at that level until they were caught - King cannot match that level of finance so, unless dubious practises return, I don't think their standard will improve from the current one , if anything, I actually believe they've hit their true historical-level.

And King is obsessed by money too - way before his 'over investment' comments, one of his criticisms of the old regime seemed to be that they weren't spending enough on players!

I think we can all agree that Warburton has a big job on his hands. Let's hope that The Rangers are unable to grasp the reality of their situation and continue frittering money away.

[Onion]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

They've an uncanny knack of attracting dodgy characters with big egos and more money than sense.

Why would any serious, upstanding, credible businessman risk their reputation and hard earned money investing in such a bigoted, divisive, horrible club ? You'd have ask serious questions of anyone who would WANT to own that club.

[CropleyWasGod]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

I would think that most will be reluctant to put money in while there are still people fleecing money from the club. They'd effectively be subsidising someones "nice little earner".

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

[Andy Bee]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

When they were first liquidated and reformed in the 3rd division I think everyone thought they'd go with the best of their youth players, live well within their means and by the time they were back into the Premier league they'd have a decent squad but more importantly a substantial amount of cash to mount a good challenge.

The reality is they overspent on a squad which wasn't needed for the leagues they were playing in, they've next to no income from merchandising, they've no team to speak of, they're running at a loss, paying ex managers tens of thousands of pounds, in hock for £5m to someone that holds the securities on everything except Ibrox and are owned by a convicted tax dodger. What a shambles of a club.

[Ozyhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

When they were first liquidated and reformed in the 3rd division I think everyone thought they'd go with the best of their youth players, live well within their means and by the time they were back into the Premier league they'd have a decent squad but more importantly a substantial amount of cash to mount a good challenge.

The reality is they overspent on a squad which wasn't needed for the leagues they were playing in, they've next to no income from merchandising, they've no team to speak of, they're running at a loss, paying ex managers tens of thousands of pounds, in hock for £5m to someone that holds the securities on everything except Ibrox and are owned by a convicted tax dodger. What a shambles of a club.

They probably could have coped with the over spending in the squad. It's all the other money that disappeared over the 3 years since Green started them in Div 3 which is killing them. They basically have to survive on gate receipts alone.

[Brightside]

Rob Kiernan - CH Wigan - joining Rangers according to Sky. Recently failed a medical at Birmingham

[CallumLaidlaw]

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs...r-rob-kiernan/ so the spending begins. £200k apparently

[duffers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33148799

Failed a medical this morning at Birmingham...

[Ozyhibby]

Not exactly a superstar then?

[southern hibby]

11 clubs and only 24. Makes me think he's either been very unlucky with injuries or and disruptive or and just not very good player. However he's still yet to sign for the newest club in Scotland
GGTTH

[Smartie]

Crocked Republic of Ireland internationalists eh?

That will have the fans flocking back.

[jacomo]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not exactly a superstar then?

Yeah but he was in a Killie side that been Celtc once, so all good. FTP!

[jacomo]

They've appointed an MD as well.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33151980

[CropleyWasGod]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs...r-rob-kiernan/ so the spending begins. £200k apparently

... and that's just the premium for his health insurance.

[magpie1892]

96 games in seven years. Quality!

[Bostonhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Crocked Republic of Ireland internationalists eh?

That will have the fans flocking back.

Republic? Will he pass the fit(?!) & protestant person test?

[Bostonhibby]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 games in seven years. Quality!

Not quite Lorenzo amoruso is it? Mind you the now defunct Glasgow rangers phoenix club are still paying for that one

[Gmack7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 games in seven years. Quality!

96 more than Prodan, that deal was great value FOR PRODAN

[Kojock]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 more than Prodan, that deal was great value FOR PRODAN

Tore Andre Flo at 12 mil was a steal for his 53 appearances.

[Gmack7]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 games in seven years. Quality!

96 more than Prodan, that deal was great value FOR PRODAN

[Keith_M]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Absolutely.

There was the chance, after administration, for someone with money to buy it relatively cheaply, and then build it up again in a sustainable manner. In the longer term that would have been good for the club, and good for the owner. Instead, we have had people in it for a short-term gain, and I include Ashley in that.

There may be sharks sniffing about, but if there are decent business people out there, they will be holding off until the club is unencumbered by the crap that it currently has. That's the way it should have been from the start of Sevco.

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 more than Prodan, that deal was great value FOR PRODAN

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

96 more than Prodan, that deal was great value FOR PRODAN

Is there an echo in here?

[emerald green]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not exactly a superstar then?

I agree, but the players they bring in don't have to be superstars to win the Championship.

They just have to be better, fitter, and more motivated than washed up and garbage players like Moshni, "Elbows", "Zal", fatso Boyd, rodent Black etc etc.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Can the players they bring in really be worse than some of those that are not being offered a new contract? It would be great if that turns out to be the case, but is that being realistic?

I just hope Hibs squad is better and stronger than their revamped squad, whoever they end up signing.

[emerald green]

This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

Not in disagreement with most of your post but I'd argue that MONEY is what changed Rangers when Lawrence Marlborough arrived and MONEY is what kept them at that level until they were caught - King cannot match that level of finance so, unless dubious practises return, I don't think their standard will improve from the current one , if anything, I actually believe they've hit their true historical-level.

The bit in bold - fair comment, I can't argue with that.