Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Cropley10]

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Yeah - just make wee digs while ignoring the facts ...

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/18065520

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...e-Rangers.html

Why don't you read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to, instead of getting wee digs in??

The links you post are over 2 years old, btw.

As it is, since then, rules have been invented, bent or overlooked completely during the Sevco fiasco and yet here they stand on the precipice of liquidation, all because of their sense of entitlement and pathological problem with spending money they don't have.

So, does Sir Rod of Petrie throw them a life ring, or stick a hose down their throat, so to speak. Is it stick or twist?

We - that is Hibs - don't 'need' a strong Rangers, quite the opposite. Scottish Football needs to 'move on' from this SMSM and BBC fiction that somehow a Rangers is required, at any cost.

Rangers operated a failed business model, just like their owner, Sir David Murray, whose business interest OWE a staggering £780m.

The Rangers/Sevco operate on the same lines, but if they can be allowed to survive they will (eventually) 'come back' through an acquiescent media and sheer critical mass. In the meantime Clubs like Aberdeen and Dundee United, Inverness even are thoroughly enjoying life without them.

Us? Oh, we're third - behind - yes, you guessed it, the omnishambles that is The Rangers/Sevco.

Hell mend them.

[jacomo]

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I had the occasion to talk to Brian Kennedy recently through work related matters

A Hibs daft family, a gent, in my brief experience of him, and most certainly not the archetypal rangers man

He released a press statement after his loan offer was rejected outlining in clear detail the 9 terms of loan

It was a no lose situation for him as a financier, his statement made that crystal clear, and he wasn't unhappy to walk away

He was greeting when his take over failed in 2012, though.

[Peevemor]

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Why don't you read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to, instead of getting wee digs in??

The links you post are over 2 years old, btw.

As it is, since then, rules have been invented, bent or overlooked completely during the Sevco fiasco and yet here they stand on the precipice of liquidation, all because of their sense of entitlement and pathological problem with spending money they don't have.

So, does Sir Rod of Petrie throw them a life ring, or stick a hose down their throat, so to speak. Is it stick or twist?

We - that is Hibs - don't 'need' a strong Rangers, quite the opposite. Scottish Football needs to 'move on' from this SMSM and BBC fiction that somehow a Rangers is required, at any cost.

Rangers operated a failed business model, just like their owner, Sir David Murray, whose business interest OWE a staggering £780m.

The Rangers/Sevco operate on the same lines, but if they can be allowed to survive they will (eventually) 'come back' through an acquiescent media and sheer critical mass. In the meantime Clubs like Aberdeen and Dundee United, Inverness even are thoroughly enjoying life without them.

Us? Oh, we're third - behind - yes, you guessed it, the omnishambles that is The Rangers/Sevco.

Hell mend them.

So why the dig at RP?

[Cropley10]

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So why the dig at RP?

Have you not read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to then?

[Peevemor]

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Have you not read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to then?

Yes.

One of the reasons that Scottish football is goosed is the history of people protecting individual clubs instead of the interests of the game in general.

RP was one of the first to come out against Rangers the last time around and I'd be surprised if he went against his principles when it comes to future discussion or voting re sevco. If there is allowance in the rules for any dispensation, then I doubt he'd be for anything that benefits the Rangers to the detriment of any other club - including Hibs.

In any case, no such discussion or vote has taken place, so I don't see the need for yet another cheap shot at RP.

[AndyM_1875]

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Have you not read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to then?

Rod won't be voting as Chairman of Hibs. It will be as an office bearer of the SFA. He has to consider whether he thinks Llambias plans are viable and whether he thinks Ashley's plans for Rangers (regardless of the past) are viable going forward for that club.

The current league placings of Rangers or Hibs are completely irrelevant. Whatever decision the SFA including Rod make they will be in an impossible position because they be criticized regardless of what they do.

[AlbertK86]

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Why don't you read what I wrote in the context of the post I was replying to, instead of getting wee digs in?? The links you post are over 2 years old, btw. As it is, since then, rules have been invented, bent or overlooked completely during the Sevco fiasco and yet here they stand on the precipice of liquidation, all because of their sense of entitlement and pathological problem with spending money they don't have. So, does Sir Rod of Petrie throw them a life ring, or stick a hose down their throat, so to speak. Is it stick or twist? We - that is Hibs - don't 'need' a strong Rangers, quite the opposite. Scottish Football needs to 'move on' from this SMSM and BBC fiction that somehow a Rangers is required, at any cost. Rangers operated a failed business model, just like their owner, Sir David Murray, whose business interest OWE a staggering £780m. The Rangers/Sevco operate on the same lines, but if they can be allowed to survive they will (eventually) 'come back' through an acquiescent media and sheer critical mass. In the meantime Clubs like Aberdeen and Dundee United, Inverness even are thoroughly enjoying life without them. Us? Oh, we're third - behind - yes, you guessed it, the omnishambles that is The Rangers/Sevco. Hell mend them.

Well said that man

[Spike Mandela]

Today's informal meeting will be purely so the SFA can tell Aslhey via Llambias how best the SFA can facilatate Ashley in getting whatever he wants whilst fudging their own articles in such a way that it looks like they are following their own vague rules.

No doubt Llambias will emerge saying only "very positive talks have taken place"

[Cropley10]

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Rod won't be voting as Chairman of Hibs. It will be as an office bearer of the SFA. He has to consider whether he thinks Llambias plans are viable and whether he thinks Ashley's plans for Rangers (regardless of the past) are viable going forward for that club.

The current league placings of Rangers or Hibs are completely irrelevant. Whatever decision the SFA including Rod make they will be in an impossible position because they be criticized regardless of what they do.

In which case there is no point in Hibernian having a non-Exec Chairman of Hibernian involved.

Seems to me like a uniquely unilateral position to take, and by definition potentially damaging to Hibs.

They will be criticised by The Rangers fans if they DON'T stick to their own rules... Why does one Club have to survive no matter what????

[CropleyWasGod]

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In which case there is no point in Hibernian having a non-Exec Chairman of Hibernian involved.

Seems to me like a uniquely unilateral position to take, and by definition potentially damaging to Hibs.

They will be criticised by The Rangers fans if they DON'T stick to their own rules... Why does one Club have to survive no matter what????

Shirley it's the only one he can take?

[Cropley10]

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Shirley it's the only one he can take?

Correct. The SFA is there to look after the 'Old Firm' and The Rangers in particular.

Good job Rod understands this.

Meanwhile somewhere in the real world someone stands up for the ordinary football fan.




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[Peevemor]

Can someone tell me what RP has or hasn't done re. this issue?

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I expect talk of league reconstruction to be brought up soon, especially if we win on Saturday.

[ancient hibee]

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Correct. The SFA is there to look after the 'Old Firm' and The Rangers in particular.

Good job Rod understands this.

Meanwhile somewhere in the real world someone stands up for the ordinary football fan.




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So Rangers fans don't matter then?

Who is this mythical person in the real world who stands up for the ordinary football fan?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Correct. The SFA is there to look after the 'Old Firm' and The Rangers in particular.

Good job Rod understands this.

Meanwhile somewhere in the real world someone stands up for the ordinary football fan.




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You've misunderstood me. The stance he has to take is on behalf of the SFA. In this situation, that's his job.

[Cropley10]

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Can someone tell me what RP has or hasn't done re. this issue?

Someone earlier said that not to worry RP will have the Yuletide fireside chat with Lambias and if the latest Sevco CEO put a good case forward for ignoring the rules then he's not let his position as Hibs Chairman influence him.

The SFA are supposed to apply the rules without fear or favour. If only this was the case.


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[Ozyhibby]

Rod Petrie is a disgrace to Hibernian Football Club.
I've no idea what his role at the SFA is.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Someone earlier said that not to worry RP will have the Yuletide fireside chat with Lambias and if the latest Sevco CEO put a good case forward for ignoring the rules then he's not let his position as Hibs Chairman influence him.

The SFA are supposed to apply the rules without fear or favour. If only this was the case.


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What are the rules that he is expected to ignore?

[Peevemor]

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Someone earlier said that not to worry RP will have the Yuletide fireside chat with Lambias and if the latest Sevco CEO put a good case forward for ignoring the rules then he's not let his position as Hibs Chairman influence him.

The SFA are supposed to apply the rules without fear or favour. If only this was the case.


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Rod Petrie is a disgrace to Hibernian Football Club.
I've no idea what his role at the SFA is.

So nobody knows what he's done or is going to do?

Fine - might as well have a pop at him then!

How boring and pathetic!

[Cropley10]

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So Rangers fans don't matter then?

Who is this mythical person in the real world who stands up for the ordinary football fan?

How about Turnbull Hutton, Chairman of Raith Rovers?

Exposed the lies and deception during the Sevco/Club 12 shenanigans and received death threats and police protection as a result.

His crime? To point out that TRFC could not be parachuted into Div 1.

He understand the ordinary football fan I'd suggest.


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[Cropley10]

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What are the rules that he is expected to ignore?

I don't know, what about dual ownership and influence?

Or are you not keeping up with the story over at Ibrox?

FYI. The only way Rangers make payroll is from secured loans from Moke Ashley owner of Newcastle United.





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[Cropley10]

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You've misunderstood me. The stance he has to take is on behalf of the SFA. In this situation, that's his job.

I've not misunderstood you at all.

The SFA doesn't apply the rules without fear or favour.

It's Chairman is the recipient of a £95k EBT Loan from Rangers 1872. He, for example, is completely conflicted.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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I don't know, what about dual ownership and influence?

Or are you not keeping up with the story over at Ibrox?

FYI. The only way Rangers make payroll is from secured loans from Moke Ashley owner of Newcastle United.





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There's no need for that. Of course I am keeping up with the events.

So what is the SFA rule on dual ownership that RFC will be allowed to break?

[Cropley10]

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Today's informal meeting will be purely so the SFA can tell Aslhey via Llambias how best the SFA can facilatate Ashley in getting whatever he wants whilst fudging their own articles in such a way that it looks like they are following their own vague rules.

No doubt Llambias will emerge saying only "very positive talks have taken place"

Most likely, sadly.

I'd be delighted if RP didn't allow such a thing to occur based on his own principles and an understanding of what is good for the rest of Senior football in Scotland.

And for the avoidance of doubt, one Club should not be allowed to survive simply because it plays at Ibrox.


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[Cropley10]

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There's no need for that. Of course I am keeping up with the events.

Why the snide questions then??

You obviously DONT think that there is anything preventing dual ownership.

I do.




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[Mikey]

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Why the snide questions then??

You obviously DONT think that there is anything preventing dual ownership.

I do.




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CWG deals with the facts available and keep us all well informed of now things are moving along. He doesn't let petty paranoia get in the way of his judgement.

I know who I pay attention to on these threads.

[Cropley10]

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There's no need for that. Of course I am keeping up with the events.

So what is the SFA rule on dual ownership that RFC will be allowed to break?

I also get that you see nothing wrong with The Rangers having been allowed to transfer their history and records of achievement from the liquidated entity, in contrast to Airdrie & Gretna, who couldn't even use the same name.




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[CropleyWasGod]

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Why the snide questions then??

You obviously DONT think that there is anything preventing dual ownership.

I do.




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There's no snide questions, and I certainly don't think that. I've read the rules, and know for example that the famous 10% that is bandied about is a myth.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I also get that you see nothing wrong with The Rangers having been allowed to transfer their history and records of achievement from the liquidated entity, in contrast to Airdrie & Gretna, who couldn't even use the same name.




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Rangers paid for it :)

[Cropley10]

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CWG deals with the facts available and keep us all well informed of now things are moving along. He doesn't let petty paranoia get in the way of his judgement.

I know who I pay attention to on these threads.

I didn't realise he was omnipotent and infallible. Thanks for letting me know.

I'm not paranoid, but I'm certainly not holding my breath expecting the SFA, which includes our Dear Leader, from growing a set.

And as for your snide remark, why not play the ball rather than the man?


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