#allisbarry at it again - Yams accounts

[fat freddy]

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Surely it must be or it would have been closed down by now.

Queen B obviously feels safe sitting in it.

Queen B only sits in the ramshackle stand because that's where the directors box is situated, before she bought the club she had a season ticket for the wheatfield stand. She knows the main stand is a death trap. If a serious incident resulting in death were to occur in that stand there would be many officials within Hearts, The City of Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland and The Fire Department facing serious allegations of negligence, I would go as far as to say some would possibly be facing criminal charges.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

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Queen B only sits in the ramshackle stand because that's where the directors box is situated, before she bought the club she had a season ticket for the wheatfield stand. She knows the main stand is a death trap. If a serious incident resulting in death were to occur in that stand there would be many officials within Hearts, The City of Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland and The Fire Department facing serious allegations of negligence, I would go as far as to say some would possibly be facing criminal charges.

Agreed and if anything did happen they would walk away blame free like they always do.

[connerg]

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Start of season 01/02. 2-2 against aberdeen first game IIRC

Kilmarnock

[Ozyhibby]

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Agreed and if anything did happen they would walk away blame free like they always do.

Agreed. As always it would be a case of 'lessons will be learnt'.

[silverhibee]

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Queen B only sits in the ramshackle stand because that's where the directors box is situated, before she bought the club she had a season ticket for the wheatfield stand. She knows the main stand is a death trap. If a serious incident resulting in death were to occur in that stand there would be many officials within Hearts, The City of Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland and The Fire Department facing serious allegations of negligence, I would go as far as to say some would possibly be facing criminal charges.

I need this explained to me, are you saying folk working for Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland and the Fire Department are turning a blind eye to a accident waiting to happen at that stadium or even worse is it being insinuated that Officials within hertz are possibly bribing Council members and officials in the Police and Fire department.?

[Thecat23]

It's a wooden shed but it must be safe enough for fans or they wouldn't risk a fan being seriously hurt or killed. We are straw clutching i think.

They will one day need to sort all four stands not just the one until then nothing will shut it down!

[Kato]

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It's a wooden shed but it must be safe enough for fans or they wouldn't risk a fan being seriously hurt or killed. We are straw clutching i think.

They will one day need to sort all four stands not just the one until then nothing will shut it down!

If its safe why did the council inform Hearts (and Hibs) that their wooden stands would no longer be issued with a safety certificate over 15 years ago? Hibs complied with what they were being told by the council but Hearts didn't only to be given a safety certificate anyway.

If it wasn't safe then how can it be safe now?

[Thecat23]

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If its safe why did the council inform Hearts (and Hibs) that their wooden stands would no longer be issued with a safety certificate over 15 years ago? Hibs complied with what they were being told by the council but Hearts didn't only to be given a safety certificate anyway.

If it wasn't safe then how can it be safe now?

They simply tried to scare both clubs into improving their stadiums. There is not a chance in hell that this day and age they would risk a life of a supporter by opening a stand that's not fit! Sorry I don't buy into the council giving Hearts a little back hander!


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[Mr White]

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Kilmarnock

IDRC

[silverhibee]

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They simply tried to scare both clubs into improving their stadiums. There is not a chance in hell that this day and age they would risk a life of a supporter by opening a stand that's not fit! Sorry I don't buy into the council giving Hearts a little back hander!


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And the Police and Fire service turning a blind eye too, no chance, it must be safe for purpose or in this day in age after certain disasters it would be closed down, simple as that.

[Thecat23]

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And the Police and Fire service turning a blind eye too, no chance, it must be safe for purpose or in this day in age after certain disasters it would be closed down, simple as that.

Exactly Silver! It's all rubbish it really is. It's a **** hole but still fit for fans to sit in. Who in their right mind would doctor a safety certificate just because they "support" Hearts!!

They'd be done for manslaughter and Hearts would be sued millions. Let's just put this to bed and laugh when they can't afford to upgrade!


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[Colr]

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They should be spending that money on their infrastructure needs. Cheats, plain and simple.

They'll be waiting for the Council to step and build a new stadium for them

[silverhibee]

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Exactly Silver! It's all rubbish it really is. It's a **** hole but still fit for fans to sit in. Who in their right mind would doctor a safety certificate just because they "support" Hearts!!

They'd be done for manslaughter and Hearts would be sued millions. Let's just put this to bed and laugh when they can't afford to upgrade!


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Don't no if since the smoking ban was implemented that has done them a favour in getting a safety certificate, but they have got one, this isn't just down to a council dude getting some free tickets and hospitality and him signing off that the ground is safe, a lot more folk would be involved and i just can't see folk doing this where there is potential for a major disaster happening for a few tickets and pies..

[Thecat23]

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Don't no if since the smoking ban was implemented that has done them a favour in getting a safety certificate, but they have got one, this isn't just down to a council dude getting some free tickets and hospitality and him signing off that the ground is safe, a lot more folk would be involved and i just can't see folk doing this where there is potential for a major disaster happening for a few tickets and pies..

My thoughts exactly.


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[Kato]

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They simply tried to scare both clubs into improving their stadiums. There is not a chance in hell that this day and age they would risk a life of a supporter by opening a stand that's not fit! Sorry I don't buy into the council giving Hearts a little back hander!


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Never the less the letters were issued. If Hearts haven't been given preferential treatment there maybe you could explain how? Why haven't their been subsequent warnings issued given the last one was 15 years ago?

The council were willing to act illegally over the Lochend Butterfly, the council were willing to knock Hibs back over Huntershall whilst paying Hearts "rent" for a section of their ground.

Person all only been in their stand twice and apart from the materials it's made from I didn't think it was very safe.

Still, better not have any bad words to say about EC, they are busy what with covering up the Compulsory Repairs scandal and shredding all those Tram documents.

[Thecat23]

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Never the less the letters were issued. If Hearts haven't been given preferential treatment there maybe you could explain how? Why haven't their been subsequent warnings issued given the last one was 15 years ago?

The council were willing to act illegally over the Lochend Butterfly, the council were willing to knock Hibs back over Huntershall whilst paying Hearts "rent" for a section of their ground.

Person all only been in their stand twice and apart from the materials it's made from I didn't think it was very safe.

Still, better not have any bad words to say about EC, they are busy what with covering up the Compulsory Repairs scandal and shredding all those Tram documents.

I don't work for the council so I can't answer for them. I can only assume hearts repaired what was needed back then and have done yearly repairs to make sure it's safe enough for football fans to attend! Are you saying you think hearts have had some sort of back handers and certificates given just because you think EC have a few Jambos?

On the topic of the trams I was on a stag with one of the head guys that done the contract. They hired a German firm for it and the messed the council about big time! Started asking for more money for metal etc and just kept increasing it. If the council stopped there and then they would have had to pay the company the original fee along with starting again. Now the EC are suing them and there will be a public enquiry about the way the council were backed into a corner!

For the record I still think the trams are a waste of space and money!


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[fat freddy]

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I need this explained to me, are you saying folk working for Edinburgh Council, Police Scotland and the Fire Department are turning a blind eye to a accident waiting to happen at that stadium or even worse is it being insinuated that Officials within hertz are possibly bribing Council members and officials in the Police and Fire department.?

I'm not saying bribes are being given, it's more subtle that that, similar to the pressure exerted on individual debtors not to call debts in which might have resulted in bringing the club to it's knees, the suggestion was always the same, 'do you want to be seen as the one to take the club into administration?' They were willing to use that tactic to stave of administration, I have no doubt that they use it to keep the main stand open. They are currently carrying out essential safety work and some maintenance work notably they are bringing hot water to some areas deprived of it for the past 100 years, if this safety work is essential it can be presumed that they have been ordered to do it. Which leads to the conclusion that it should have been in place when the last safety certificate was issued. I'm of the view that they have bought some time to come up to the necessary standards by exerting pressure on those who issue the certificates.

[ancient hibee]

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I don't work for the council so I can't answer for them. I can only assume hearts repaired what was needed back then and have done yearly repairs to make sure it's safe enough for football fans to attend! Are you saying you think hearts have had some sort of back handers and certificates given just because you think EC have a few Jambos?

On the topic of the trams I was on a stag with one of the head guys that done the contract. They hired a German firm for it and the messed the council about big time! Started asking for more money for metal etc and just kept increasing it. If the council stopped there and then they would have had to pay the company the original fee along with starting again. Now the EC are suing them and there will be a public enquiry about the way the council were backed into a corner!

For the record I still think the trams are a waste of space and money!


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I believe they said the stand at Bradford was perfectly safe until it burned down-what was it 50 deaths?

Your chum at the stag do is trying to rewrite history-not surprising if he was involved in drawing up the contract which has been described as not fit for purpose.

[Thecat23]

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I believe they said the stand at Bradford was perfectly safe until it burned down-what was it 50 deaths?

Your chum at the stag do is trying to rewrite history-not surprising if he was involved in drawing up the contract which has been described as not fit for purpose.

How many years ago was that disaster? How far on have we came since then? If it was unsafe it would be closed simple as that.

You may well be correct I wasn't involved in any of the plans and still think it was a huge shambles but I wanted to put across a fact not fiction as will be seen in the public enquiry! The German firm did hold there EC over a barrel regarding their deal! But EC prob should have made sure in their contract that nothing like that could happen!


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[fat freddy]

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I don't work for the council so I can't answer for them. I can only assume hearts repaired what was needed back then and have done yearly repairs to make sure it's safe enough for football fans to attend! Are you saying you think hearts have had some sort of back handers and certificates given just because you think EC have a few Jambos?

On the topic of the trams I was on a stag with one of the head guys that done the contract. They hired a German firm for it and the messed the council about big time! Started asking for more money for metal etc and just kept increasing it. If the council stopped there and then they would have had to pay the company the original fee along with starting again. Now the EC are suing them and there will be a public enquiry about the way the council were backed into a corner!

For the record I still think the trams are a waste of space and money!


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You have been misinformed, the fault of the trams fiasco lies at Edinburgh City Councils door. The German company given the contract told the council they needed the wate
r gas electricity ect moved to one side of the road as the tram lines require to be built on solid ground and also for any possible inconvenience when works are necessary on these services. The council was given 18 months to carry out this enabling work, they failed to do it. When the Germans pitched up they found that they were on down time from day one. They were stunned to discover that the enabling works hadn't been carried out and this set off a chain of delays and penalties which we have now become familiar with. The enquiry may find that putting a couple of folk from the social work department with no experience of the construction industry in charge of such a major development wasn't their finest decision. The council is a den of chancers and amateurs from top to bottom. I wouldn't let them run a school nativity play, they would Dress Mary as Herod and would put someone from the statutory housing repairs fiasco in charge of stable and mainger maintenance

[Thecat23]

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You have been misinformed, the fault of the trams fiasco lies at Edinburgh City Councils door. The German company given the contract told the council they needed the wate
r gas electricity ect moved to one side of the road as the tram lines require to be built on solid ground and also for any possible inconvenience when works are necessary on these services. The council was given 18 months to carry out this enabling work, they failed to do it. When the Germans pitched up they found that they were on down time from day one. They were stunned to discover that the enabling works hadn't been carried out and this set off a chain of delays and penalties which we have now become familiar with. The enquiry may find that putting a couple of folk from the social work department with no experience of the construction industry in charge of such a major development wasn't their finest decision. The council is a den of chancers and amateurs from top to bottom. I wouldn't let them run a school nativity play, they would Dress Mary as Herod and would put someone from the statutory housing repairs fiasco in charge of stable and mainger maintenance

I'll let him know next time I see him! He's a nice guy as well and has no interest in Hearts btw as some seem to think EC is a Hearts supported club! Not saying you.

I don't trust many folk in the council and they certainly fail in many departments. But back to the stand issue. I think if you believe folk are giving back handers to hearts to keep it open I personally think you have to be deluded! Sorry for going against the grain as I hate them as much as anybody but we sound a bunch of desperate idiots at times when it comes to their affairs over the road.


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[Turkish Green]

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And the Police and Fire service turning a blind eye too, no chance, it must be safe for purpose or in this day in age after certain disasters it would be closed down, simple as that.

Correct. It is all rubbish. It may be a wooden hovel, which I will never sit in, but it is fit for purpose (for now) or it would not pass the fire & safety inspection. But as Budgie said it is reaching its shelf life and it will need replaced or they will move to a knew stadium.

We really do need to get the chips of our shoulders when it comes to them and concentrate on supporting Hibs.

[ancient hibee]

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How many years ago was that disaster? How far on have we came since then? If it was unsafe it would be closed simple as that.

You may well be correct I wasn't involved in any of the plans and still think it was a huge shambles but I wanted to put across a fact not fiction as will be seen in the public enquiry! The German firm did hold there EC over a barrel regarding their deal! But EC prob should have made sure in their contract that nothing like that could happen!


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Fire was in 1985-so 30 years ago-Hearts stand has been criticised for the best part of 20 years.It doesn't have to be categorised as unsafe to be dangerous in certain circumstances.I don't believe in council conspiracies but I certainly believe in council ineptitude and I wouldn't watch a game from it.My half dozen Heart supporting chums sit in other parts of the ground-two of them having moved out of it.

[greenginger]

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How many years ago was that disaster? How far on have we came since then? If it was unsafe it would be closed simple as that.

You may well be correct I wasn't involved in any of the plans and still think it was a huge shambles but I wanted to put across a fact not fiction as will be seen in the public enquiry! The German firm did hold there EC over a barrel regarding their deal! But EC prob should have made sure in their contract that nothing like that could happen!


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It is obvious a wooden stand decking is not as safe as a concrete stand decking, but how less safe do you want something to be before the club are forced to comply with the notice they received to replace their stand.

They have been using delaying tactics for nearly 15 years, we are moving/ we have plans for a new stand. Now Budge has joined the game by talking about moving again.

The very least the Council should do is reduce the stand capacity significantly and force them to rebuild or move.

As for the trams, I think the single biggest cost increase was for moving services under the tram route. The Council employed a company that had never done that kind of work before and estimated at less than a quarter of the final cost.

Of course a proper cost estimate would never seen the tram project get to first base.

[Thecat23]

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Fire was in 1985-so 30 years ago-Hearts stand has been criticised for the best part of 20 years.It doesn't have to be categorised as unsafe to be dangerous in certain circumstances.I don't believe in council conspiracies but I certainly believe in council ineptitude and I wouldn't watch a game from it.My half dozen Heart supporting chums sit in other parts of the ground-two of them having moved out of it.

Couple my mates still sit in it. I've never sat in the stand and have no intention of sitting in it. But it's like saying anything that's old and made of wood is dangerous. With smoking band at games the risk of a fire is very low. The electrics will have been checked over and I'm sure the stand would have to pass certain safely regulations from not just EC but other sporting bodies.

I'm not saying it's perfect far from it. But do I think it's safe to hold fans? Yes I do.


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[Waxy]

They shouldn't be allowed in the SPFL while they have that deathtrap stand. If it was up to me, i'd duduct 25pts from them right now, put a transfer embargo on them, make them play their home matches on the gyle park pitches,take away their history,make Ally Mcoist their manager and get the council to wash gorgie road with very strong disinfectant.

[Thecat23]

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It is obvious a wooden stand decking is not as safe as a concrete stand decking, but how less safe do you want something to be before the club are forced to comply with the notice they received to replace their stand.

They have been using delaying tactics for nearly 15 years, we are moving/ we have plans for a new stand. Now Budge has joined the game by talking about moving again.

The very least the Council should do is reduce the stand capacity significantly and force them to rebuild or move.

As for the trams, I think the single biggest cost increase was for moving services under the tram route. The Council employed a company that had never done that kind of work before and estimated at less than a quarter of the final cost.

Of course a proper cost estimate would never seen the tram project get to first base.

Hearts know they need a new stand but the council can't force them to close it unless it's unsafe?

Again I don't work for the council and I don't agree with the trams either. Just putting a guy who I know point across. He worked on it and did say there was many failings at all levels. But then went onto talk about how the German firm shafted them. I'm sure he's biased as it's his job but I can prob say he knows more about it than almost anyone on here!




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[Thecat23]

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They shouldn't be allowed in the SPFL while they have that deathtrap stand. If it was up to me, i'd duduct 25pts from them right now, put a transfer embargo on them, make them play their home matches on the gyle park pitches,take away their history,make Ally Mcoist their manager and get the council to wash gorgie road with very strong disinfectant.

Now I can't argue with any of this :D

[Pete]

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We really do need to get the chips of our shoulders when it comes to them and concentrate on supporting Hibs.

Taking about them on an Internet forum doesn't mean we have a chip on our shoulder. Their our city rivals FFS.

And how much concentration do you think it requires to support hibs? Do you not think we have the mental capacity to switch between two subjects?

[silverhibee]

So for the last 15 years or so the Council, Fire Brigade and other bodies involved have just been turning a blind eye to the state of that stand and know it is unsafe and god forbid if there was a fire or the stand collapsed they will be happy to have that on there conscious for the rest of there life, it is 2014 and if the stand was not safe for purpose it would have been closed down by now, it is safe to say that the stand is safe or it wouldn't get the safety certificate, Council Fire brigade, Electrician, Gas company and who ever else it takes to get it passed safe have said nothing all theses years, no chance, they (yams) must be doing what is required to get things passed by all parties, FFS we are talking about a stand that holds over 1000 people and folk high up in places in Edinburgh are just buying that the past or present owners of this stand just because they are submitting or talking about moving/building a new stand would have still been waiting to see what happens, once again, no chance, it would have been closed down by now no matter who was dealing with it.

Was Partick Thistles main stand not closed down for a bit or limited to so many folk being allowed in the stand at one time, now the whole stand is open for away fans, Thistle reps must no folk in Glasgow council to get round this sort of thing as there stand is as just as much a dump as Tynie, they seem to be getting a safety certificate for there stand or is every club in Scotland with rickety old stands bribing there councilor's to pass there old stands safe.

Yes the Savilledome is a dump but they must be meeting requirements that makes it pass this safety certificate, no one in there right mind from the council or fire brigade would be daft enough to pass it safe if it wasn't and ruin there own life by telling lies and the life's of others.