#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[marinello59]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

You have made some of the most abusive and divisive posts here and elsewhere as you shift ground. I can only assume I have misread this post as it looks like you are trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim. I don't think anybody has accused you of being a BuyHibs apologist. not that you would know as you simply ignore any replies you get. As I pointed out to you before some of the most damning posts about BuyHibs came from yourself.

[BroxburnHibee]

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I agree with this poster as we are all part of the Hibernian Family and want to see a football team that is successful and plays exciting football. The more that we discuss the issues that matter with the Hibernian Family the better chance we will have of making our club a sucessful football club again.

Are you 2 tied at the hip or is Gogs paying you to be his cheerleader.

If Gogs is so serious about what he says then why did he choose to run over the road to take unfounded swipes at several people on here including members of the admin team without naming any names of course.

If you can't see the irony in that then hell mend you.

You don't need to remind us all that you agree with Gogs at every opportunity though.

I think we get it.

[Kaiser1962]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

It has been mentioned there was a guy on Twitter who was asking Andrew Sibley about what their plans were and was answered with questions and riddles and told to attend the meetings. He was told he could join the meeting via a live cast. He said he couldn't attend the meetings and continued to ask questions, similar to what a lot of posters on here are asking but Andrew still didn't answer. He seemed quite persistent.

There then followed a tweet from Holyrood Boxing accusing the tweeter (is that a word?) of being an "agent of the board" who was "happy" that we got relegated and that STF had stolen ER. Also the hashtag #Bam (good Edinburgh word that). This was immediately retweeted by Andrew Sibley who was then asked by a couple of posters about the accusation of theft made against STF and pointed the people asking questions in the direction of Hands on Hibs (not Holyrood Boxing although Hands on Hibs have their own twitter account) and said it wasn't him that had made the accusation. When pressed he claimed to only retweet the offensive tweet (I am really not comfortable with the word "tweet") so that the intended recipient could "challenge" it he felt the accusations were "unfair" on him when there was really no need as the tweet sent to both Andrew and the tweeter Iain.

What do you think RIP?

[Benny Brazil]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

And if you speak out against BuyHibs and HoH you get falsely accused of being a "board apologist". Works both ways RIP.

[Andy74]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

Sniping on each board then running. Your posts have been some of the most personal and abusive on this subject. On the PM board too.

Heading to the bounce and categorising us all as well.

This victim act is getting a bit bizarre.

[Pretty Boy]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

How does trying to discredit and bad mouth posters on here over on the Bounce fit into treating others more kindly?

I see you have once again skilfully ignored several replies to your 'woe is me' post on the PM board.

I think several others have covered these points as well but it would be good to get an explanation on how you believe your personal and abusive attacks differ from the ones you believe have been made against yourself.

[Ronniekirk]

There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees

[blackpoolhibs]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

Abuse my arse, its folk asking questions that are NEVER answered. I should have been the easiest person for you and the HOH, Hibileaks to persuade, as nobody wanted change and a new owner more than me.

Yet every one that's come forward has made such a shambles of their campaign that even i wouldn't part with a single penny for their goals.

Now its playing the victim, don't make me laugh.

Let this go, its dead in the water now. This has also harmed anyone who actually does know what they are doing and does have the necessary business plan and funds to buy Hibs.

[CropleyWasGod]

I saw a Tweet the other day from the Holyrood Boxing Club, who seem to be taking over some of the PR for Hibileaks.

A Twatter had asked the same question, mentioned elsewhere, about STF "stealing" the assets. The reply was along the same lines, accusing the Twatter of being an "agent", but signing off with the hashtag SecretSexWorker

Bams and sex workers unite.

[brog]

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There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees

What I feared has happened, we have the unedifying spectacle of Hibs Fans attacking each other with all the grace & maturity of kids brawling in the playground. It's pathetic really & I would ask all netters to review their posts before submitting. If the main content of the post is an attack on another netter please think again. And please, no posts saying but he/she started it, that would really confirm the playground analogy.
PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.

[jacomo]

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There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees

Amen to all that.

Posters (on both sides of the debate) speculating based on their own bias without any facts to back them up, and then shouting down people who disagree with them.

Let's be friends.

[Kaiser1962]

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I saw a Tweet the other day from the Holyrood Boxing Club, who seem to be taking over some of the PR for Hibileaks.

A Twatter had asked the same question, mentioned elsewhere, about STF "stealing" the assets. The reply was along the same lines, accusing the Twatter of being an "agent", but signing off with the hashtag SecretSexWorker

Bams and sex workers unite.

Thing that stood out for me in that exchange was that Andrew Sibley referred to a tweet from Holyrood Boxing Gym as it had come from Hands on Hibs, having immediately retweeted the (potentially) libellous comment. When asked to clarify why he felt the need to retweet his explanation seemed disingenuous at best, claiming to be doing the person accused of being an "agent" a service.

There seems to be little between Hands on Hibs, Hibileaks, Holyrood boxing and Buy Hibs. Their actions would suggest they are colluding. If so their actions are stupid, and they are treating Hibs fans with little respect. If they can't sell this to Blackpool Hibs (no offence meant) then he is right in saying that they are "dead in the water" which in itself is disappointing. They had a chance to do something positive and blew it.

[BroxburnHibee]

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What I feared has happened, we have the unedifying spectacle of Hibs Fans attacking each other with all the grace & maturity of kids brawling in the playground. It's pathetic really & I would ask all netters to review their posts before submitting. If the main content of the post is an attack on another netter please think again. And please, no posts saying but he/she started it, that would really confirm the playground analogy.
PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.

Gogs has attacked people on here with a bitter post on a rival site yet we should ignore that? There's a big difference between an attack and an explanation.

Ah yes its all the admins fault again - I forgot.

[blackpoolhibs]

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What I feared has happened, we have the unedifying spectacle of Hibs Fans attacking each other with all the grace & maturity of kids brawling in the playground. It's pathetic really & I would ask all netters to review their posts before submitting. If the main content of the post is an attack on another netter please think again. And please, no posts saying but he/she started it, that would really confirm the playground analogy.
PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.

That's a fair point, although it is something that could be stopped right now if hibileaks buyhibs and HOH would just give us a straight answer to a straight question.

[jacomo]

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That's a fair point, although it is something that could be stopped right now if hibileaks buyhibs and HOH would just give us a straight answer to a straight question.

No, I'm afraid it's too simple to blame one group. Yes, BuyHibs should be able to accept rigorous scrutiny, and HoH the same, but not the playground bully tactics to shout down anyone who supports them. As said above, let's all take some responsibility.

[Pretty Boy]

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What I feared has happened, we have the unedifying spectacle of Hibs Fans attacking each other with all the grace & maturity of kids brawling in the playground. It's pathetic really & I would ask all netters to review their posts before submitting. If the main content of the post is an attack on another netter please think again. And please, no posts saying but he/she started it, that would really confirm the playground analogy.
PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.

Is this the start of the 'blame hibs.net' campaign that seems to be gathering a bit momentum elsewhere regarding what looks increasingly like BuyHibs failure.

[jacomo]

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Is this the start of the 'blame hibs.net' campaign that seems to be gathering a bit momentum elsewhere regarding what looks increasingly like BuyHibs failure.

Dear God. Can't people just give it a rest for a few days?

Just stop. The OP was surely an appeal for calm, not yet more mud slinging??

[Mikey]

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And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

Have you put this to BuyHibs too, because we've got to the stage where they're dishing out thinly veiled threats. A poster on the Bounce thinks that these thinly veiled threats have put our "gas at a peep" but that's certainly not the case. We'll keep asking the pertinent questions and they'll no doubt continue to ignore them.

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PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.

See above.

[silverhibee]

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There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees

Don't be silly Ronnie, get the steelies on and grab a baseball bat and take a side, tis the way ahead.

[Andy74]

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No, I'm afraid it's too simple to blame one group. Yes, BuyHibs should be able to accept rigorous scrutiny, and HoH the same, but not the playground bully tactics to shout down anyone who supports them. As said above, let's all take some responsibility.

Bully tactics? What total nonsense.

[Pretty Boy]

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Dear God. Can't people just give it a rest for a few days?

Just stop. The OP was surely an appeal for calm, not yet more mud slinging??

An appeal for calm that contained a not so subtle dig.

Sorry but why shouldn't the admins be allowed an opinion. We all have our own views and opinions, we are all Hibs supporters and we are all as entitled to have our views heard as anyone else. If people feel any of us has gone too far then report it and it will dealt with same as anyone else. It's probably worth noting I can count on 1 hand how many reported posts there has been on this topic which is somewhat remarkable given how emotive an issue it is. There's been a few 'pre emptive' post deletions dealing with personal abuse which isn't neccessary. I'd agree the last week or so has descended into quite a sad state of affairs but if an individual chooses to make a pretty scathing attack on both the site and the admin teams as individuals are we not entitles to defend ourselves? Would you allow your character to be questioned without right of reply?

I've made this point a lot lately but .net is a wide range of views. Outwith ER on a Saturday it is the biggest gathering of Hibs fans in one place anywhere. That's a lot of views and a lot of personalities. On the whole we have tried to let the discussion follow it's natural course and there has been no strategic efforts to force it one way as has been claimed elsewhere. I'll be damned if I'm going to allow someone to attempt to rubbish me and people I like and respect elsewhere without replying to it though, if that makes me childish, petty or whatever else then so be it.

[jacomo]

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An appeal for calm that contained a not so subtle dig.

Sorry but why shouldn't the admins be allowed an opinion. We all have our own views and opinions, we are all Hibs supporters and we are all as entitled to have our views heard as anyone else. If people feel any of us has gone too far then report it and it will dealt with same as anyone else. It's probably worth noting I can count on 1 hand how many reported posts there has been on this topic which is somewhat remarkable given how emotive an issue it is. There's been a few 'pre emptive' post deletions dealing with personal abuse which isn't neccessary. I'd agree the last week or so has descended into quite a sad state of affairs but if an individual chooses to make a pretty scathing attack on both the site and the admin teams as individuals are we not entitles to defend ourselves? Would you allow your character to be questioned without right of reply?

I've made this point a lot lately but .net is a wide range of views. Outwith ER on a Saturday it is the biggest gathering of Hibs fans in one place anywhere. That's a lot of views and a lot of personalities. On the whole we have tried to let the discussion follow it's natural course and there has been no strategic efforts to force it one way as has been claimed elsewhere. I'll be damned if I'm going to allow someone to attempt to rubbish me and people I like and respect elsewhere without replying to it though, if that makes me childish, petty or whatever else then so be it.

Admins are entitled to post their own opinions, of course - though why I'm saying I don't know, you make the rules. IMO you guys do a good job running this place.

I am not above pettiness myself... just trying to put a lid on it before replying to Andy74 above.

I just thought you were reading more into that post than was there. Apologies if I misread it.

[jacomo]

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Bully tactics? What total nonsense.

No doubt about it. I've seen a few unedifying episodes on here recently, where people have been attacked or belittled for expressing an honest opinion.

You'll dismiss this in the same way you've dismissed my post, but maybe things would improve if EVERYBODY took a little more time to listen to others' views?

[Peevemor]

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No doubt about it. I've seen a few unedifying episodes on here recently, where people have been attacked or belittled for expressing an honest opinion.

You'll dismiss this in the same way you've dismissed my post, but maybe things would improve if EVERYBODY took a little more time to listen to others' views?

Disagreeing with someone's opinion isn't the same as a personal attack - although there are some who appear to take it that way.

[Andy74]

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No doubt about it. I've seen a few unedifying episodes on here recently, where people have been attacked or belittled for expressing an honest opinion.

You'll dismiss this in the same way you've dismissed my post, but maybe things would improve if EVERYBODY took a little more time to listen to others' views?

I've seen lots of questioning and then reaction to those questions not being answered. I've seen people being asked to back up scaremongering and accusations that have been made.

The worst stuff has been the recent posts by RIP here and on the main board where it became personal and abusive. Posts were made on other sites about users here. That has led to some defending of views and positions.

I haven't seen any bullying of BuyHibs or HoH members or supporters. Just lots of challenge as I mentioned above. Others are trying to make this into various us v them situations and it's very poor.

[jacomo]

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Disagreeing with someone's opinion isn't the same as a personal attack - although there are some who appear to take it that way.

Oh the irony!

[jacomo]

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I've seen lots of questioning and then reaction to those questions not being answered. I've seen people being asked to back up scaremongering and accusations that have been made.

The worst stuff has been the recent posts by RIP here and on the main board where it became personal and abusive. Posts were made on other sites about users here. That has led to some defending of views and positions.

I haven't seen any bullying of BuyHibs or HoH members or supporters. Just lots of challenge as I mentioned above. Others are trying to make this into various us v them situations and it's very poor.

I'm not expecting you to agree with me. Just saying that IMO it's got a bit out of hand at times, from both sides, and it's something that maybe we can all reflect on.

This is not a dig at the admins! As I said above, they do a good job overall.

[Peevemor]

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Oh the irony!

At least you saw it.

[FranckSuzy]

Some people's posts, mine included, have been correcting downright lies about certain events and the people involved. If that is classed as "abuse" then heaven help us.

It is also interesting to note that some of those who cast aspertions on their fellow fans characters never return and back up/explain/clarify their 'claims'. They just launch a grenade in (on both forums) and watch the fall-out. That's pretty sad, IMHO.

[Mikey]

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Disagreeing with someone's opinion isn't the same as a personal attack - although there are some who appear to take it that way.

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Oh the irony!

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At least you saw it.

We do have the ability to go in and set you two to ignore each other