Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

***s.a.m*** · 14-11-2014 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Weststandwanab

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It seems the Administrators from Duff and Duffer are the other 2 ! -

Well then...This is going to be interesting.

Edit: Here's the full set of names of those allegedly detained:
STV News ‏@STVNews · 24s25 seconds ago
STV understands David Grier, Paul Clark, David Whitehouse and Gary Withey have been detained over sale of Rangers. http://bit.ly/1wxCHKV

***Billy Whizz*** · 14-11-2014 12:16 PM

I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

***s.a.m*** · 14-11-2014 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

Looks like it's Murray to Whyte. From the BBC article:

Four men have been detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2011.

The men were held during early morning raids at addresses across the UK in an operation which involved officers from Surrey Police, Cheshire Police and Thames Valley Police.

Police Scotland have been investigating the sale of Rangers from Sir David Murray to Craig Whyte for over a year.

**ekhibee** · 14-11-2014 12:21 PM

I don't think I'd be able to stop laughing if they got relegated again.

**PatHead** · 14-11-2014 12:32 PM

Scotsman and Herald saying it is 2012?

Once CWG has got the dust sheets off his records he will inspire another 800 page thread on these naughty boys and clarify everything.

**Weststandwanab** · 14-11-2014 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by ekhibee

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I don't think I'd be able to stop laughing if they got relegated again.

You would !

Just long enough to enjoy a large measure of your poison of choice - then you can start laughing again.

***Billy Whizz*** · 14-11-2014 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by s.a.m

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Looks like it's Murray to Whyte. From the BBC article:

Four men have been detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2011.

The men were held during early morning raids at addresses across the UK in an operation which involved officers from Surrey Police, Cheshire Police and Thames Valley Police.

Police Scotland have been investigating the sale of Rangers from Sir David Murray to Craig Whyte for over a year.

Thanks, if that's the case, why isn't Whyte involved?

**Andy74** · 14-11-2014 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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Thanks, if that's the case, why isn't Whyte involved?

I think he lives in Monaco? May just be an issue of access.

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 14-11-2014 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by s.a.m

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Well then...This is going to be interesting.

Edit: Here's the full set of names of those allegedly detained:
STV News ‏@STVNews · 24s25 seconds ago
STV understands David Grier, Paul Clark, David Whitehouse and Gary Withey have been detained over sale of Rangers. http://bit.ly/1wxCHKV

Is Paul Clark the bald guy from Duff & Phelps who did all the media updates when Rangers were in administration?

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by PatHead

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Scotsman and Herald saying it is 2012?

Once CWG has got the dust sheets off his records he will inspire another 800 page thread on these naughty boys and clarify everything.

Wearied, he muttered "ah, ****, here we go again", and poured himself a large one.

Actually, when I heard the report on the 12 o clock news, the first name that came to mind was Gary Withey. I am, though, surprised at Grier et al.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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I'm a bit confused with this. Are the arrests relating to Rangers going into admin and the sale to Charles green, or the sale from Murray to White?

I would guess that it's both.

Although the media are saying it's the sale to White, there are 3 of Duff & Phelps in there. IIRC, they didn't get involved until RFC went into administration.

**The Falcon** · 14-11-2014 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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I would guess that it's both.

Although the media are saying it's the sale to White, there are 3 of Duff & Phelps in there. IIRC, they didn't get involved until RFC went into administration.

Ticketus? I recall Paul Murray saying that D+P knew about the Ticketus deal and D+P denied this but proof emerged that they, or at least their employees, did have knowledge.

Probably not make much difference in the overall scheme of things but at least we will all have a firkin good laugh for a wee while yet.

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 01:19 PM

If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?

This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Falcon

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Ticketus? I recall Paul Murray saying that D+P knew about the Ticketus deal and D+P denied this but proof emerged that they, or at least their employees, did have knowledge.

Probably not make much difference in the overall scheme of things but at least we will all have a firkin good laugh for a wee while yet.

Could be.

Actually, I always maintained that David Murray HAD to have known about the Ticketus deal as well. If he didn't, then he didn't do his due diligence very well.

Jeez, I feel I've just regressed into 2011.....

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?

This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

Not to go over old ground..... aye right

...... but the liquidators do have the right to challenge the sale to Chucky, and possibly have it reversed. Cav managed to convince me that they wouldn't, but.......

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 14-11-2014 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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If Police are investigating the 2011 purchase, does that mean it could be null and void?

Would that also mean any subsequent sale would also be null and void (selling stolen goods)?

So, David Murray might once again be the owner?

This is going to get verrrrrryyy complicated!

Tears of joy.

***Billy Whizz*** · 14-11-2014 01:25 PM

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Not to go over old ground..... aye right

...... but the liquidators do have the right to challenge the sale to Chucky, and possibly have it reversed. Cav managed to convince me that they wouldn't, but.......

An unexpected twist, didn't think it could ever get any more complicated!
So "The Rangers" might be an illegal company?

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Could be.

Actually, I always maintained that David Murray HAD to have known about the Ticketus deal as well. If he didn't, then he didn't do his due diligence very well.

Jeez, I feel I've just regressed into 2011.....

I think they should make the last three seasons null and void (including all Cup wins) and put all the teams into their respective leagues from August 2011...

Then liquidate Rangers

***Viva_Palmeiras*** · 14-11-2014 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by s.a.m

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers in 2011.

Does anyone remember who they are?

The four men of the apocalypse?

**The Falcon** · 14-11-2014 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

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An unexpected twist, didn't think it could ever get any more complicated!
So "The Rangers" might be an illegal company?

They certainly played a few games (at least) officially as Sevco. What a guddle.

**PatHead** · 14-11-2014 01:36 PM

Are they, they died yet?

**ekhibee** · 14-11-2014 01:47 PM

Let's see how fast Ashley grabs his money back if the Murray/Chucky deal was indeed illegal. As CropleyWasGod has been saying, I can't see how Duff and Duffer can be involved in that, they didn't come in till later, but of course it might not actually be about the Murray/Chucky deal in the first place. What a f****** shambles.

**Hibee87** · 14-11-2014 02:11 PM

So...does this have any significant affect on the zombies? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-30053692

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 02:13 PM

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So...does this have any significant affect on the zombies? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-30053692

Being discussed on this thread

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?294185-The-Rangers

**HoboHarry** · 14-11-2014 02:13 PM

What's the possibility that MA haas an inkling of what may happen? Don't know how that would affect things but I guess I'm just surprised that he wouldn't know that legal action was not a strong possibility.

**AndyM_1875** · 14-11-2014 02:14 PM

Rangers certainly seem to have an inexhaustible supply of spivs.
Bet they wish it was cash.

**HoboHarry** · 14-11-2014 02:15 PM

Bit of a grammatical catastrophe there. Wee fat fingers on an iPhone :)

**seanshow** · 14-11-2014 02:16 PM

didnt CW record conversations with Dum&Dummer,that proved they were in it from the beginning?

D&P were also the only show in town when it came to appoint administrators, which was well dodgy at the time.

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ekhibee

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Let's see how fast Ashley grabs his money back if the Murray/Chucky deal was indeed illegal. As CropleyWasGod has been saying, I can't see how Duff and Duffer can be involved in that, they didn't come in till later, but of course it might not actually be about the Murray/Chucky deal in the first place. What a f****** shambles.

If the Duff and Phelps guys have been arrested, it surely has to be the 2012 sale, from D&F to Green, that's being investigated.

If it was the (2011) Murray to Whyte deal, I can't see what the D&F guys have to do with it.