Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

**HoboHarry** · 13-11-2014 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby

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The only people who see any relevance to those stupid Stars are Huns. Same with the tims having 1 for winning the European cup almost 50 years ago. Means absoutely nothing.

I think you are completely wrong on the Celtic part. I'm no great defender of them but it is a massive part of their history that they were the first British club to win the trophy. If it had been us we would never stop talking about it.

***Bostonhibby*** · 13-11-2014 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by HoboHarry

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I think you are completely wrong on the Celtic part. I'm no great defender of them but it is a massive part of their history that they were the first British club to win the trophy. If it had been us we would never stop talking about it.

I quite enjoy the fact that we were the first British team of such standing at the time that we were invited to take part in the European Cup and were the first to get to the semi's great quiz question and nobody down here ever knows the answer.

As for the rangers, if they want to have 2 silver stars to mark their 2 major titles so far its up to them but its a bit tacky, they were playing part timers in the 3rd and 2nd divisions and with the money they are still spending it would have been a surprise if they hadn't walked those leagues. Maybe they should have gone for more modest tick on their shirts or perhaps a C- "could do better" ?

**NAE NOOKIE** · 13-11-2014 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by KeithTheHibby

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The only people who see any relevance to those stupid Stars are Huns. Same with the tims having 1 for winning the European cup almost 50 years ago. Means absoutely nothing.

There is no official FIFA or UEFA rules about stars .... but perhaps there should be.

IMO these should only be worn to signify European trophies won, which means Celtic are entitled to theirs, as are Aberdeen and as were the now defunct Rangers. Anything else is just affectation.

Having said that I think every club who participated in the first ever European cup should be entitled to a special gold star

Or any club who has been champion of the world

**AndyM_1875** · 13-11-2014 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Turkish Green

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As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.

They can do whatever they like, it's all just branding anyway and as others like CWG have said Rangers as a brand haven't changed one iota, a different company operates the club now, that's all.

Note how our players reacted when the full time whistle went at Ibrox and we had won 3-1. They wouldn't have behaved like that had it been Alloa or Cowdenbeath, they did so because it was Rangers and all that means.

**Mr White** · 13-11-2014 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by AndyM_1875

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They can do whatever they like, it's all just branding anyway and as others like CWG have said Rangers as a brand haven't changed one iota, a different company operates the club now, that's all.

Note how our players reacted when the full time whistle went at Ibrox and we had won 3-1. They wouldn't have behaved like that had it been Alloa or Cowdenbeath, they did so because it was Rangers and all that means.

True but by the same token why were the cavemen getting so irate at the mention of the L-word? If it hadn't happened it wouldn't bother them right? Deep down they know, and its our job to keep reminding them

**Sir David Gray** · 13-11-2014 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by lyonhibs

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That makes you decidedly more pedantic than me then

Yup, you bet!

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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But do you consider them Sevco-5088 or Sevco-Scotland?

That makes a whole lot of difference, you know

Whatever annoys them the most.

***Bostonhibby*** · 13-11-2014 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Trig

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Yup, you bet!

Whatever annoys them the most.

The one hun I am related to gets fair annoyed when I refer to them as the now defunct Glasgow rangers or the team formerly known as Glasgow rangers, for that reason alone I prefer these long winded descriptions. Elsewhere the rangers is fine, especially if it all goes pear shaped again as we can call the new entity the the rangers.

**HUTCHYHIBBY** · 13-11-2014 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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The brand was bought by the new company. Old brand, new owners.

You must get bored having to post this every few days CWG.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 13-11-2014 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

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You must get bored having to post this every few days CWG.

I don't. I have a macro set up to auto-respond to certain Hibs.net myths.

Mind you, I had to turn it off for a while when Hibileaks started up. My laptop was overheating.

***silverhibee*** · 14-11-2014 12:12 AM

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Coral know the score swell.

Coral bookies to be boycotted too for telling the truth.

***Hibs Class*** · 14-11-2014 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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The brand was bought by the new company. Old brand, new owners.

Originally Posted by Turkish Green

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As far as companies house is concerned they are a new company/club. However, the Green spiv bought their history along with other assets for 5.5 million. Still see it as wrong for them to have the stars above the badge on their shirts.

I don't agree that you can buy history. A company - plc, Ltd. Co. etc. is a legal person and so can be bought/sold. A brand is just an asset of a company and so it can be separately bought and sold, so that the brand can continue whilst the legal person owning it can change.

History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

There is a perception of an association between the brand and the history and that perception can be reinforced by how loud and how long some people shout about it, but that doesn't make it true.

***lapsedhibee*** · 14-11-2014 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Hibs Class

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History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

True, but this will all change when brain transplants are perfected.

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Hibs Class

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I don't agree that you can buy history. A company - plc, Ltd. Co. etc. is a legal person and so can be bought/sold. A brand is just an asset of a company and so it can be separately bought and sold, so that the brand can continue whilst the legal person owning it can change.

History is different: I cannot buy another person's history - their schooling, their qualifications, their work experience or their relationships. That's simply because their history happened to them, not to me, and nothing I can say will ever change that.

There is a perception of an association between the brand and the history and that perception can be reinforced by how loud and how long some people shout about it, but that doesn't make it true.

Perception is important.

If I buy a McDonalds franchise from an insolvent company, yes I buy the brand. I also, in the public's mind, buy everything else that is associated with McDonalds, positive and negative. I am perceived by most to have bought into the history of Happy Meals and Chrissie Hynd.

In the mind of the average football supporter, the Rangers supporters have also bought into the history of their club by embracing everything that was negative and....um, positive.... about the old regime.

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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I don't. I have a macro set up to auto-respond to certain Hibs.net myths.

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Is that a posh-people name for an underpaid, east european servant?

I can just imagine the scene at Cropley Towers...

"Oh Macro, be a good lad and rebuff all the nonsense on hibs.net today. Oh and polish my brogues when you're done"

***CropleyWasGod*** · 14-11-2014 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by keekaboo

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Is that a posh-people name for an underpaid, east european servant?

I can just imagine the scene at Cropley Towers...

Oh Macro, be a good lad and rebuff all the nonsense on hibs.net today. Oh and polish my brogues when you're done"

Lad? LAD?

My PA has many talents, and buffing is only one.....

***Keith_M*** · 14-11-2014 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Lad? LAD?

My PA has many talents, and buffing is only one.....

Have I just lost my invite to the annual Cropley Towers Christmas Peasant* Shoot?

* Not a typo

**portycabbage** · 14-11-2014 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

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Perception is important.

If I buy a McDonalds franchise from an insolvent company, yes I buy the brand. I also, in the public's mind, buy everything else that is associated with McDonalds, positive and negative. I am perceived by most to have bought into the history of Happy Meals and Chrissie Hynd.

In the mind of the average football supporter, the Rangers supporters have also bought into the history of their club by embracing everything that was negative and....um, positive.... about the old regime.

I think football clubs are more than a brand or a franchise - it's like buying a replacement for a dead goldfish before your kids notices, and pretending it's the same fish, rather than just the latest holder of the pet goldfish franchise.

Given people have different perceptions of whether there is a continuity of identity of RFC, it's difficult to argue that perception=reality (I know you only said perception is important!).

A brand can carry associations in the mind of football supporters without that meaning it's the same club. Even Trigger's broom at least had an unbroken history!

***Moulin Yarns*** · 14-11-2014 10:39 AM

BBC Scotland News ‏@BBCScotlandNews 3 mins3 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Four men detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2012 http://bbc.in/1zTWAST

Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug 2 mins2 minutes ago

BBC understands Craig Whyte is not one of the 4 men detained in relation to investigation into acquisition of #Rangers

**sambajustice** · 14-11-2014 10:44 AM

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ho ho ho...

**Weststandwanab** · 14-11-2014 10:47 AM

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BBC Scotland News ‏@BBCScotlandNews 3 mins3 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Four men detained by police following an investigation into the sale of Rangers Football Club in 2012 http://bbc.in/1zTWAST

Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug 2 mins2 minutes ago

BBC understands Craig Whyte is not one of the 4 men detained in relation to investigation into acquisition of #Rangers

What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !

***Moulin Yarns*** · 14-11-2014 10:52 AM

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What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !

Glad to be of assistance. How is the concert hall, I'm almost next door to you just along Mill Street.

***Golden Bear*** · 14-11-2014 10:57 AM

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What a great day - watching SNP conference and reading that Magic !

Ye're easily pleased.

**Weststandwanab** · 14-11-2014 11:01 AM

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Glad to be of assistance. How is the concert hall, I'm almost next door to you just along Mill Street.

I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.

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Ye're easily pleased.

At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

***Golden Bear*** · 14-11-2014 11:07 AM

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I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.

At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

Elementary - my powers of deduction are limitless.

**The Green Goblin** · 14-11-2014 11:11 AM

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I have no idea I have never been there. I am in Edinburgh watching on TV.

I'll let you off with a warning...

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At the risk of waking up the Multi Quote Police how do you know that ?

...this time. On your way now son

***Bostonhibby*** · 14-11-2014 11:22 AM

Are they going for a star for each arrest? BBC reporting 4 just now in relation to the sale of the club in 2012

***s.a.m*** · 14-11-2014 11:26 AM

Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers in 2011.

Does anyone remember who they are?

**fat freddy** · 14-11-2014 11:39 AM

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Chris McLaughlin‏@BBCchrismclaug 5m5 minutes ago BBC learns Gary Whithey and David Greer are 2 of the 4 men detained as part of investigation into acquisition of #Rangers in 2011.

Does anyone remember who they are?

Withey and Grier are two of them, apparently. That's Whyte's lawyer and Grier of Duff and Phelps.