#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[Baldy Foghorn]

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For someone who doesn't give a toss he has deep pockets. Not only a Mercer time but at other times throughout the years. The problem has been with choices made throughout the term since in terms of managers and players.

Do you really think he takes pleasure in seeing the club in its current state?

I don't think he takes it to heart like the rest of us......His stubborness keeping RP in situ will be his downfall.....

[Peevemor]

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Why did the Club agree to meet them if indeed their claims were slanderous? Do you not think a letter from STF lawyer's would do the trick?

I'm guessing here, but I reckon the club called them in (a bit different from 'agreeing to meet') to put them straight about the possible repercussions of continuing with their nonsense. If it carries on then I'd imagine that the lawyers will be brought into play.

[KeithTheHibby]

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Why did the Club agree to meet them if indeed their claims were slanderous? Do you not think a letter from STF lawyer's would do the trick?

This. I doubt you'll get an answer mind you.

[blackpoolhibs]

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That may be the case to a certain extent, but I'd rather have them than the HOH phannies, any day of the week.

I'd rather have neither.

[Baldy Foghorn]

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I'm guessing here, but I reckon the club called them in (a bit different from 'agreeing to meet') to put them straight about the possible repercussions of continuing with their nonsense. If it carries on then I'd imagine that the lawyers will be brought into play.

Plausible.....

[PatHead]

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This. I doubt you'll get an answer mind you.

From whom?

[Lucius Apuleius]

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I'm guessing here, but I reckon the club called them in (a bit different from 'agreeing to meet') to put them straight about the possible repercussions of continuing with their nonsense. If it carries on then I'd imagine that the lawyers will be brought into play.

That's what I was wanting to hear.

[Kato]

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I'm guessing here, but I reckon the club called them in (a bit different from 'agreeing to meet') to put them straight about the possible repercussions of continuing with their nonsense. If it carries on then I'd imagine that the lawyers will be brought into play.

I'm guessing you're wrong.

[Kato]

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Eh? I'm talking from personal experience, asked a perfectly reasonable question on FB ang got a ****ty response, before that I had an open mind but not now.

Well, I don't think that's fair but a spat on facebook isn't the be all and end all.

What was the question?

[Peevemor]

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I'm guessing you're wrong.

So what's your take on it then?

[ancient hibee]

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I don't think he takes it to heart like the rest of us......His stubborness keeping RP in situ will be his downfall.....

Downfall!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He holds all the aces-fancy a game of poker?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Downfall!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He holds all the aces-fancy a game of poker?

No thanks

[ancient hibee]

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No thanks

Snap then?

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Snap then?

Something simple (like me)

[ancient hibee]

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Something simple (like me)

You're trying to lull me into a false sense of security.Mummy warned me about people like you.

[Peevemor]

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I'm guessing you're wrong.

RP called the meeting. Do you think it was simply to have a nice wee chat? Maybe he's going to offer Brad a seat on the board?

[Kato]

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So what's your take on it then?

I don't have a take on it

I'm just guessing the opposite of your guess before the internet does what it usually does and takes your guess, turns it into a rumour, which then gets reposted on here as fact thereby allowing your guess to be affirmed as being correct and being set in in stone as "FACT, END OFF", when it's only a really a guess with zero basis in fact.

I've found over the years aimless, negative internet speculation is one of the least helpful standpoints to take on anything.

Then again. If STF was to take exception to what HOH are saying/doing I doubt they would be invited in for a cosy chat in the board-room. I also doubt the HOH parties involved would claim that said chat was constructive if the invite was and attempt at a rap on the knuckles, quite the opposite - they'd ramp up the invective.

I'll say it again. I think the "claims" and "truth" coming from HOH is mere agitprop and an attempt to provoke some kind, any kind, of positive action from the owners. Which is far more than anyone else is doing at the moment. I don't think the HoH guys at the meeting today see themselves as being the people to be the representatives on the board or in any kind of position of power at ER. They are just trying to kickstart some kind of positive reaction to balance all the stultifying, complacent, smug mediocrity we've been subjected to since 2007.

Catalysts.

For me, and I understand that many disagree and a lot of people's rizla-thin sense of propriety is taking a knock, someone has to say something to get things moving and no-one is other than them. I don't a monkeys about said people's sense of propriety and they are entitled to disagree but we've all sat on out hands too long and put up with too much crap for it to continue. Hopefully it gets some real stuff moving and the agitprop will be forgotten when that happens.

[Kato]

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RP called the meeting. Do you think it was simply to have a nice wee chat? Maybe he's going to offer Brad a seat on the board?

Sarcasm is cheap and occasionally funny.

Occasionally.

That's not a guess.

[Peevemor]

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I don't have a take on it

I'm just guessing the opposite of your guess before the internet does what it usually does and takes your guess, turns it into a rumour, which then gets reposted on here as fact thereby allowing your guess to be affirmed as being correct and being set in in stone as "FACT, END OFF", when it's only a really a guess with zero basis in fact.

I've found over the years aimless, negative internet speculation is one of the least helpful standpoints to take on anything.

Then again. If STF was to take exception to what HOH are saying/doing I doubt they would be invited in for a cosy chat in the board-room. I also doubt the HOH parties involved would claim that said chat was constructive if the invite was and attempt at a rap on the knuckles, quite the opposite - they'd ramp up the invective.

I'll say it again. I think the "claims" and "truth" coming from HOH is mere agitprop and an attempt to provoke some kind, any kind, of positive action from the owners. Which is far more than anyone else is doing at the moment. I don't think the HoH guys at the meeting today see themselves as being the people to be the representatives on the board or in any kind of position of power at ER. They are just trying to kickstart some kind of positive reaction to balance all the stultifying, complacent, smug mediocrity we've been subjected to since 2007.

Catalysts.

For me, and I understand that many disagree and a lot of people's rizla-thin sense of propriety is taking a knock, someone has to say something to get things moving and no-one is other than them. I don't a monkeys about said people's sense of propriety and they are entitled to disagree but we've all sat on out hands too long and put up with too much crap for it to continue. Hopefully it gets some real stuff moving and the agitprop will be forgotten when that happens.

So it's OK for HoH to publish unfounded speculation but not for me to hazard a guess at stuff on a fans' forum?

I'd imagine that STF has indeed taken objection to the HoH stuff, but it wouldn't be good PR to enter into litigation with any fans' group, especially at this point in time.

[Kato]

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So it's OK for HoH to publish unfounded speculation but not for me to hazard a guess at stuff on a fans' forum?

Your imagining I said anything at all about what I think you should and shouldn't post.

I'd imagine that STF has indeed taken objection to the HoH stuff, but it wouldn't be good PR to enter into litigation with any fans' group, especially at this point in time.

There it is, your imagination again.

[SunshineOnLeith]

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I've found over the years aimless, negative internet speculation is one of the least helpful standpoints to take on anything.

Well, quite. Glad we're agreed. Oh, what's that, you're not finished?

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Then again. If STF was to take exception to what HOH are saying/doing I doubt they would be invited in for a cosy chat in the board-room. I also doubt the HOH parties involved would claim that said chat was constructive if the invite was and attempt at a rap on the knuckles, quite the opposite - they'd ramp up the invective.

I'll say it again. I think the "claims" and "truth" coming from HOH is mere agitprop and an attempt to provoke some kind, any kind, of positive action from the owners. Which is far more than anyone else is doing at the moment. I don't think the HoH guys at the meeting today see themselves as being the people to be the representatives on the board or in any kind of position of power at ER. They are just trying to kickstart some kind of positive reaction to balance all the stultifying, complacent, smug mediocrity we've been subjected to since 2007.

Catalysts.

For me, and I understand that many disagree and a lot of people's rizla-thin sense of propriety is taking a knock, someone has to say something to get things moving and no-one is other than them. I don't a monkeys about said people's sense of propriety and they are entitled to disagree but we've all sat on out hands too long and put up with too much crap for it to continue. Hopefully it gets some real stuff moving and the agitprop will be forgotten when that happens.

Oh.

[Kato]

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Well, quite. Glad we're agreed. Oh, what's that, you're not finished?



Oh.

Cheers

Is there anything else you'd like to share?

[SunshineOnLeith]

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Cheers

Is there anything else you'd like to share?

Nope. Just enjoying your juxtaposition of a dismissal of internet speculation as being unhelpful, with a faux-intellectual treatise on the merits of internet speculation.

Nicely done, Sir.

[Kato]

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Nope. Just enjoying your juxtaposition of a dismissal of internet speculation as being unhelpful, with a faux-intellectual treatise on the merits of internet speculation.

Nicely done, Sir.

You're allowing your superciliousness get in the way of your reading and interpretation skills.

I said "negative internet speculation". HoH isn't negative internet speculation and it's not all or even half way all being played out on the internet.

Go back and read it again then write out "Paddy Stanton is God" five hundred times - that's "Paddy Stanton is God" in case you sped-read it first time.

[SunshineOnLeith]

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You're allowing your superciliousness get in the way of your reading and interpretation skills.

I said "negative internet speculation". HoH isn't negative internet speculation and it's not all or even half way all being played out on the internet.

Go back and read it again then write out "Paddy Stanton is God" five hundred times - that's "Paddy Stanton is God" in case you sped-read it first time.

Put down the thesaurus, you'll give yourself a papercut.

How is the dissemination of malicious lies about Hibs and STF on the internet anything other than negative?

As for the proportion of Bradley and the terrorist sympathiser's nonsense which is online, who cares? Handing out fliers outside Easter Road on a matchday with malicious lies on them ranks parri-passu with posting the same lies online, in my opinion.

[The Green Goblin]

The single but fatal failing of HOH remains that they have made a lot of pretty serious allegations of misconduct on the part of STF at Hibs' expense, but they have yet to produce one single credible piece of evidence to back any of them up. For that reason, they are just making themselves look foolish and achieving nothing useful of any kind to anyone whatsoever. Whatever you think of STF's ownership of Hibs, the man has a right to defend himself against very publicly made slanderous and unsubtantiated allegations.

[marinello59]

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I'm guessing here, but I reckon the club called them in (a bit different from 'agreeing to meet') to put them straight about the possible repercussions of continuing with their nonsense. If it carries on then I'd imagine that the lawyers will be brought into play.

Unless the club says otherwise we have to take HoH's statement at face value, they are now working with the board to move things on. By meeting them without refuting any of the allegations made I would suggest that the club have now have given them a hefty dose of credibility.

[Kato]

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Put down the thesaurus, you'll give yourself a papercut.

Good advice, thanks.

How is the dissemination of malicious lies about Hibs and STF on the internet anything other than negative?

If it leads to dialogue, which it has, which then leads onto positive change which hopefully it will.

I already said as much above but you choose or can't apparently see that because of misplaced sense of outrage.

As for the proportion of Bradley and the terrorist sympathiser's nonsense which is online, who cares?

Not me.

Handing out fliers outside Easter Road on a matchday with malicious lies on them ranks parri-passu with posting the same lies online, in my opinion.

Your entitled to your opinion.

[grunt]

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Unless the club says otherwise we have to take HoH's statement at face value....

I'm very sorry but speaking personally I refuse to take anything that HoH says at face value.

[matty_f]

The issue I have with HoH (aside from spreading what appear to be completely malicious and unfounded lies) is that their two goals (stadium and club staying together, community ownership) seem a bit redundant.

Has there been any suggestion anywhere post-Straiton that Easter Road is in line to be separated from the Club? Is this even an issue? To me it's like campaigning to ensure we keep the name Hibernian, or keep playing in green, or don't become a netball team, or have Easter Road used for alien landings.

As for community ownership - is there a wide consensus that this is what the Hibernian community want? And what is their definition of the community? Keith? Edinburgh? Hibs fans?

They've plucked two important sounding but ultimately totally vacant big ticket items to focus on. Of course people will agree with the sentiment because they're emotive points on the face of it. But then again I could start a Hands on Hibs campaign on the key points that Hearts should never be allowed to buy us, and we should not ban black people from Easter Road. I'm sure the vast majority of the support would acknowledge that both points are worth fighting for, but there is no suggestion that either item is ever likely to become an issue.