#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[CropleyWasGod]

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Got to be the cheats at the wind up here, surely.

Believe it when I see it.

Don't think so. Holyrood Boxing Gym tweeted that STF has "raped" Hibs.

[marinello59]

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Got to be the cheats at the wind up here, surely.

Believe it when I see it.

It is hard to believe but they are Hibs fans. Reading through their stuff so far they don't give a stuff about Hibs, it's more about hearing their own voices. I hope the club wipes the floor with them.

[bingo70]

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It is hard to believe but they are Hibs fans. Reading through their stuff so far they don't give a stuff about Hibs, it's more about hearing their own voices. I hope the club wipes the floor with them.

They've had time to do so.

Imo the longer they don't stick up for themselves the more credibility this group will get imo.

Fwiw I think this club wants what's best for the club and are just doing what they can The only way they know how.

That's not to say I agree with their tactics though.

[marinello59]

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They've had time to do so.

Imo the longer they don't stick up for themselves the more credibility this group will get imo.

Fwiw I think this club wants what's best for the club and are just doing what they can The only way they know how.

That's not to say I agree with their tactics though.

Their tactics stink. They drone on about transparency yet still refuse to back up the serious claims they are making. Their call for unity last week rather contradicts the very hostile response they had towards the SDS survey statement. God help us if these clowns ever get any sort of power at our club. We are a mess and change is needed but there is no way I would follow this lot in to battle.

[bigwheel]

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Their tactics stink. They drone on about transparency yet still refuse to back up the serious claims they are making. Their call for unity last week rather contradicts the very hostile response they had towards the SDS survey statement. God help us if these clowns ever get any sort of power at our club. We are a mess and change is needed but there is no way I would follow this lot in to battle.

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[bingo70]

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Their tactics stink. They drone on about transparency yet still refuse to back up the serious claims they are making. Their call for unity last week rather contradicts the very hostile response they had towards the SDS survey statement. God help us if these clowns ever get any sort of power at our club. We are a mess and change is needed but there is no way I would follow this lot in to battle.

I don't think they want power at the club do they?

I just thought they wanted rid of farmer and petrie.

[stantonhibby]

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I don't think they want power at the club do they?

I just thought they wanted rid of farmer and petrie.

To be replaced by ??

[bigwheel]

....unless the provide something to back up their claims, they should just be ignored...

[blackpoolhibs]

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....unless the provide something to back up their claims, they should just be ignored...

Is anyone taking them serious?

[Eyrie]

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Is anyone taking them serious?

Only their own egos until they produce actual evidence to justify their bizarre claims.

[bigwheel]

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Is anyone taking them serious?

Not even sure if they believe themselves

[bingo70]

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To be replaced by ??

The people that will take over after farmer leaves us. He won't be here forever.

[The Green Goblin]

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Their tactics stink. They drone on about transparency yet still refuse to back up the serious claims they are making. Their call for unity last week rather contradicts the very hostile response they had towards the SDS survey statement. God help us if these clowns ever get any sort of power at our club. We are a mess and change is needed but there is no way I would follow this lot in to battle.

If there is no evidence, and the club go after them, then expect them to play the victim.

[SunshineOnLeith]

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Is anyone taking them serious?

This is the key point for me. They've outed themselves as idiots so hopefully people just let them tire themselves out until they get bored. If Hibs directly engaged with them or threatened legal action etc it would just embolden them.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

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Don't think so. Holyrood Boxing Gym tweeted that STF has "raped" Hibs.

Classy!

[The Green Goblin]

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This is the key point for me. They've outed themselves as idiots so hopefully people just let them tire themselves out until they get bored. If Hibs directly engaged with them or threatened legal action etc it would just embolden them.

It would, but I also imagine there`s a limit to how much libelous stuff STF and Hibs are prepared to have publicly thrown at them.

[SunshineOnLeith]

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It would, but I also imagine there`s a limit to how much libelous stuff STF and Hibs are prepared to have publicly thrown at them.

I agree there's a limit, but I think it's probably a limit to how widely disseminated they'd allow the nonsense to spread, rather than a limit to the volume of nonsense.

If people with enough brain cells to rub together to start a fire begin taking them seriously, that's the time to stamp it out. As long as it's just a few morons making up increasingly bizarre and stupid lies then they'll get bored soon enough.

[jdships]

This is simply about personal agendas and inflated ego's.
Nothing to do with ensuring the future of Hibernian FC

" It would, but I also imagine there`s a limit to how much libelous stuff STF and Hibs are prepared to have publicly thrown at them. "
That I would say is a very pertinent point put forward by GG !!!!

[The Green Goblin]

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I agree there's a limit, but I think it's probably a limit to how widely disseminated they'd allow the nonsense to spread, rather than a limit to the volume of nonsense.

If people with enough brain cells to rub together to start a fire begin taking them seriously, that's the time to stamp it out. As long as it's just a few morons making up increasingly bizarre and stupid lies then they'll get bored soon enough.

Your first point makes sense to me. The bit in bold won`t be an issue as long as they continue to fail to back it up with any kind of credible evidence. Which makes you wonder why they are bothering to do it in the first place....

[Peevemor]

They obviously have no idea how difficult it, is in terms of accounting, to make money "dissappear". Even if it ended up in the account of the holding company instead of the football club, the bottom line is the same given the ownership structure.

[The Green Goblin]

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This is simply about personal agendas and inflated ego's.
Nothing to do with ensuring the future of Hibernian FC

" It would, but I also imagine there`s a limit to how much libelous stuff STF and Hibs are prepared to have publicly thrown at them. "
That I would say is a very pertinent point put forward by GG !!!!

cheers jd - if the club decide to call their bluff and take them on, then they (the people making the accusations) will get everything they deserve imo. they seem to have missed the point that you can`t have "hibileaks" without any actual leaks to speak of. as SOL says, as long as it`s all just pish and wind, it will die its own death soon enough.

[grunt]

Jamie Montgomery fanning the flames in the Record

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...ir-tom-4459777

IT is almost 25 years since one of Scotland's most impressive fan movements, Hands Off Hibs, helped secure the future of a club on the brink.
The Hands Off Hibs campaign saw through the fakery and fawning of a clearly disingenuous buyout bid by the notorious Jambo hate-figure Wallace Mercer, henceforth known as He Who Shall Not Be Named, amongst other names.
Much has happened since the Hearts chairman tried to completely destroy a financially ruined Hibs in 1990, promising to merge our beloved club with our rivals across the city. The Hibs fans, smelling a rat, quickly realised that Hibernian were actually the subject of a hostile takeover by Hearts, and the inevitable protests, both peaceful and violent, followed.
The mass of Hibs supporters who rallied behind the stricken club at that point was something to behold, and that strength of feeling by a community of supporters played a major part in Sir Tom Farmer using his substantial wealth and influence to save the club. The fact we went on to secure a League Cup triumph months later was a sporting fairytale come true for us Hibees.
Fans around to witness the protests at that time against the ultimately defeated protagonist Mercer must have thought it would be the last time they would see that kind of movement at Easter Road again. Until now. Since then we have enjoyed European jaunts, relegation gloom, promotion parties and two League Cups. But our latest relegation reminded many of us of the dark old days of yesteryear.
With a nod to that tumultuous past, a new fans group has been born of our current plight - Hands On Hibs.
Still something of a splinter movement, HoH is starting to attract a firm groundswell of support from those fans frustrated at our lack of progress.
Hibs fans linked to HoH have spent a lot of time and energy in researching claims of financial mismanagement at the club. I have no idea whether they have the evidence or not, but I know they believe something unhealthy is going on at Hibs.
Until now, none of the evidence they claim to have has been given to the wider supporter base. The silence of board members when confronted with these claims has been held up by some sections of the support as a tacit acknowledgement that something is clearly wrong. But Hibs almost never officially comment on speculation, and they are unlikely to on this occasion either. I, for one, am intrigued to find out just what HoH have stumbled across. But holding back on releasing that evidence is starting to undermine the veracity of their claims.
What the group has done, however, is gain a healthy amount of respect from the wider support on how they are going about their protest, chiefly based on their decision not to cause internal fan rancour and accepting that some fans are happy with the status quo at Hibs.
The group is also embarking on a pretty clever piece of PR: they have delivered a letter to Hibs asking them to publicly guarantee any sale of the club would not be done separately from its assets, primarily the stadium and the training centre.
HoH know that Hibernian FC own the assets, they are clearly listed within the club accounts. But what they also know is that the club is owned by Sir Tom Farmer and that he could pull the rug from under us at any time, selling any parts of the club that he so wishes and in any manner he so chooses.
Hibs have said that any sale would have to be in the club's best interests, which I assume to mean in its entirety and including all assets. Why then not say this publicly? It is on this issue that HoH are starting to gain some traction.
Leeann Dempster recently told a meeting of fans that there was a possibility of Sir Tom would hand the club over to fans. She told supporters keen to know how much it was worth: "Why does it have to come down to money?"
If this is the case, and money is not at the centre of the Hibs universe, I can't understand why the club has not taken further steps to look at the various possibilities of new ownership, rather than plodding on under a regime most fans no longer trust or have faith in.
Sir Tom is the undoubted saviour of the club, it's true. But is he now overseeing the very thing he charged in on his white horse to prevent, it's demise? As far as we can see, he has made little investment in the club to help it prosper. He has, however, overseen the sale of its assets, including the car park next to the stadium and the many high-profile, big-money player sales.
It is these very player sales which worry me most, though. We all know the many millions of pounds Hibs made from the sale of our Golden Generation of stars such as Garry O'Connor, Kevin Thomson, Steven Fletcher and Scott Brown. These multi-million pound sales to our rivals, we were led to believe, would pay for a shiny new training centre and the completion of our shiny new stadium, Why then are we still in so much debt?
We haven't seen any of the funds raised going back in to the only asset that means anything - the team.
Can Hands On Hibs lift the lid? We wait with bated breath.

[Peevemor]

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Jamie Montgomery fanning the flames in the Record

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion...ir-tom-4459777

Who's Jamie Montgomery? I take it he's not a journalist?

[HFC 0-7]

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Who's Jamie Montgomery? I take it he's not a journalist?

I take it you don't agree with what he is saying then?

[djs69]

Still waiting to see all their evidence and still waiting to see Paul Kanes plan for a Hibs future??!

[Kaiser1962]

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I take it you don't agree with what he is saying then?

I think we are all "frustrated at our lack of progress".

Its how we address that where the differences of opinion lie.

[marinello59]

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Still waiting to see all their evidence and still waiting to see Paul Kanes plan for a Hibs future??!

To be fair to Paul Kane he did lay out what type of ownership model his group were aiming for. (51%). Whether you agreed with his aims he offered honest upfront leadership. I still hope that something comes out of his efforts.

[djs69]

Where about did he lay it out? Is it documented anywhere? I must have missed it.

[HFC 0-7]

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I think we are all "frustrated at our lack of progress".

Its how we address that where the differences of opinion lie.

I think the article was ok, clearly his opinion and not fact but he is calling out these guys with the claims to show evidence which I think is a good thing. If everyone pushes them to show their evidence and they can't provide it, then it's put to bed.

[marinello59]

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I think the article was ok, clearly his opinion and not fact but he is calling out these guys with the claims to show evidence which I think is a good thing. If everyone pushes them to show their evidence and they can't provide it, then it's put to bed.

I'd agree with that. I would question his claim that there is any sort of groundswell building behind this group but as you say that's simply his own opinion.