Scottish Independence

[Colonel_HFC]

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I'm not saying there's any problem with voting in your own best interest, but I do think it wasn't the primary concern for a lot of "Yes" voters.

I think that is a lot to do with the fact that (just going on what's been reported) a lot of the Yes vote (not all before you start having a conniption) came from areas with the most poverty. And ultimately they have little to lose if the Scottish economy was to fall apart (as many no voters believe it would). So the only vote in their self interest was to vote for any kind of change, which is what happened. So I do think everybody voted for self interest one way or the other. Even those English hating Braveheart types were voting for self-interest, albeit an emotional and idiotic one.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I think that is a lot to do with the fact that (just going on what's been reported) a lot of the Yes vote (not all before you start having a conniption) came from areas with the most poverty. And ultimately they have little to lose if the Scottish economy was to fall apart (as many no voters believe it would). So the only to vote in their self interest was to vote for any kind of change, which is what happened. So I do think everybody voted for self interest one way or the other. Even those English hating Braveheart types were voting for self-interest, albeit an emotional and idiotic one.

I've already disproved that.

[Colonel_HFC]

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This. I sing in a wee Scottish Folk band and we play the pub circuit here. The credibility of all our musical folklore was blown out the window last night. Our credibility as a nation died last night.

Of all the posts I've read I think this is the most pathetic and stupid one. Well done, on this thread that's quite an achievement.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Although I do agree with the cowardly part - but not for the No voters.

It's people too cowardly to take responsibility for their own lives. I'm unhappy and have achieved nothing so, instead of looking in the mirror and growing a pair, I'm going to blame everyone else (Westminster, the English, big business and now even the majority of voters in Scotland...).

I have a good job, happy marriage, couple of kids, homeowner etc. I've done fine by your criteria. I didn't vote in my own self interest financially, although I do judge it to be in my best interest to live in a country that's fairer to all and has a cohesive society. Actually my instinct is to grow a pair and move to one, it's only really wife's attachment to family that stops me.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Of all the posts I've read I think this is the most pathetic and stupid one. Well done, on this thread that's quite an achievement.

A wee bit of advice, if I may. Pipe down and stop trying to wind people up. We know you are happy, but a lot of people are not, and your posts are not helping in the least.

Give it a break, by all means keep reading, but stop replying without thinking how others are feeling, please.

[Colonel_HFC]

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I've already disproved that.

If you think you've "proved" or "disproved" anything then you need to learn English properly and realise what the verb "to prove" means. You have disproved nothing.

[Bad Martini]

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1 in every 4 Glaswegians couldnae even be arsed getting involved.

Yep. They're not the only ones though. Larger cities had a lower turnout than smaller places. 75% is a big turnout for them though, irrespective.

[allmodcons]

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Of all the posts I've read I think this is the most pathetic and stupid one. Well done, on this thread that's quite an achievement.

That really is rich coming from you.
Is it hard being one of life's top achievers?

[Colonel_HFC]

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I have a good job, happy marriage, couple of kids, homeowner etc. I've done fine by your criteria. I didn't vote in my own self interest financially, although I do judge it to be in my best interest to live in a country that's fairer to all and has a cohesive society. Actually my instinct is to grow a pair and move to one, it's only really wife's attachment to family that stops me.

Well I've lived in a few. You'll find the same issues in most, just maybe without the chip on shoulder victim mentality that a lot of people in Scotland seem to have.

[CropleyWasGod]

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If you think you've "proved" or "disproved" anything then you need to learn English properly and realise what the verb "to prove" means. You have disproved nothing.

You said "everybody voted for their self-interest".

I didn't.

Ergo, not everybody voted for their self-interest.

[allmodcons]

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Well I've lived in a few. You'll find the same issues in most, just maybe without the chip on shoulder victim mentality that a lot of people in Scotland seem to have.

Are you talking marriages or houses?

[Colonel_HFC]

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A wee bit of advice, if I may. Pipe down and stop trying to wind people up. We know you are happy, but a lot of people are not, and your posts are not helping in the least.

Give it a break, by all means keep reading, but stop replying without thinking how others are feeling, please.

I am not particularly happy about it, just relieved for some family and friends still living in Scotland. I just find a lot of the posts on this thread unbelievably stupid. Seriously, posting about folk songs no longer being credible... What the hell is that?

[Scottie]

I'm deeply depressed that the poll showed that the older generation voted NO while the young voted YES.

So the retired will lunch out everyday while the young working families will depend on food banks to survive.

But don't worry guys and girls "Were better together"

[Bad Martini]

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You said "everybody voted for their self-interest".

I didn't.

Ergo, not everybody voted for their self-interest.

Ditto. Sometimes you need to take a risk...

However, we still failed and now look foolish, voting in a nationalist party and then turning down independence.

Hope the wonderful new powers are worth it.......

[CropleyWasGod]

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I'm deeply depressed that the poll showed that the older generation voted NO while the young voted YES.

So the retired will lunch out everyday while the young working families will depend on food banks to survive.

But don't worry guys and girls "Were better together"

18-24 year olds voted no, apparently.

[Scottie]

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18-24 year olds voted no, apparently.

Said the young mate 16-17 year olds

[Baader]

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Thoroughly ashamed of being Scottish today. What kind of country doesn't want to control its own affairs?

Bottom line is this is the sad reality. More people in Edinburgh want to be governed by Westminster than Holy Rood.

What sort of 'country' is this?

[lord bunberry]

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I'm deeply depressed that the poll showed that the older generation voted NO while the young voted YES.

So the retired will lunch out everyday while the young working families will depend on food banks to survive.

But don't worry guys and girls "Were better together"

Those with the least to lose outvoted those with the most to gain. Thats how democracy works I suppose.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Said the young mate 16-17 year olds

Pfft... from my point of view, every ****er's young.

[marinello59]

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18-24 year olds voted no, apparently.

It's been fairly interesting how the younger age group did back the No vote. When it was announced that 16-18 year olds would be eligible to vote for this one it was widely assumed that they would go with the Yes side.

[Bad Martini]

How do we know reliably the ages of voters??

[Gus]

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I'm deeply depressed that the poll showed that the older generation voted NO while the young voted YES.

So the retired will lunch out everyday while the young working families will depend on food banks to survive.

But don't worry guys and girls "Were better together"

Would food banks and poverty disappear in an Independent Scotland????

[Scottie]

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Those with the least to lose outvoted those with the most to gain. Thats how democracy works I suppose.

Unbelievable LB i hoped that the older generation would vote with optimism for the younger generation but that's obviously not what happened.

[Colonel_HFC]

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That really is rich coming from you.
Is it hard being one of life's top achievers?

Top achievers? Where did that come from? No, I just went to school, studied and got a job. And it wasn't all that easy at times. And at times it seemed a lot easier just to not bother. And I am certainly not a top achiever - but I have worked up a career path that allows me to take care of my family etc. but that's nothing special and most people in Scotland can do those things if they want. I only finished paying off my student loans etc. two years ago - almost ten years after finishing studying. That's also not the only way to do things - there are hundreds of ways of living a reasonable standard of live in Scotland. And people in Scotland have much better opportunity than those in many other countries - and even people from much worse off countries can and do still achieve a lot of things (far more than me).

[lord bunberry]

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Unbelievable LB i hoped that the older generation would vote with optimism for the younger generation but that's obviously not what happened.

I hoped that's what would happen as well.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I've already disproved that.

Maybe if you reflect on it, you'll find that voting Yes benefited you in some way, such as making you feel good about yourself, or by sticking to what you believe is right. There are very few selfless acts - we usually do what is best for us.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Are you talking marriages or houses?

1 marriage, a few houses / countries.

[marinello59]

[QUOTE=JeMeSouviens;4174088]No, you're right. The original is +/-3p. It was supposed to be moving to +/-10p in 2016 under the watered-down Calman act but doesn't look like that will ever get implemented now.

Also, the tax powers haven't been available at all since 2007 because of a dispute about who was to pay HMRC for an IT upgrade, Holyrood or Westminster.[QUOTE]

Dropped quietly by the SNP without mentioning it to us beforehand IIRC.

[lobster]

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Although I do agree with the cowardly part - but not for the No voters.

It's people too cowardly to take responsibility for their own lives. I'm unhappy and have achieved nothing so, instead of looking in the mirror and growing a pair, I'm going to blame everyone else (Westminster, the English, big business and now even the majority of voters in Scotland...).

I take it you voted No and then had a good look at yourself in the mirror whilst caressing your testacles?
Stands to reason.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Unbelievable LB i hoped that the older generation would vote with optimism for the younger generation but that's obviously not what happened.

I think older people have less control over their lives. If they are skint, it's harder for them to get a job to supplement their pension.

The prospect of a messy transition, meaning the odd missed payment, would be very worrying to someone relying on that income.

Secondly, that generation was the last to be brought up to believe in Britains imperial power. They were born at a time when Britain had to unite to see off Germany. I have no doubt that would influence their view of the Union.

Finally, change gets harder as you get older. You become more careful, and tend to avoid risk.