Scottish Independence

[truehibernian]

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so, has Westminster, Ed Sillyband, creepy Darling, or failed ex-chancellor of the Exchequer gogs brown, officially thanked the BBC for their part in the BT campaign yet ?

You'll be avoiding shopping in Tesco, Sainsburys and John Lewis too then eh ? They were the clincher along with RBS and Standard Life, not the Beeb.

They rolled out retail, industry and commerce to win the campaign - jobs and security clinched their win. Not the press.

[Gatecrasher]

Glad the No Vote won
Big no vote in west lothian

Mon the union

[we are hibs]

embarrassment.

[Tyler Durden]

It's a shame that people feel the need to label others as cowards and bottler etc. Or suggest people voted in fear.

Accept that people used the information available to them and very rationally decided the best future for them and future generations was to remain part of the UK. Most of us who did so were very clearly NO from the outset and the campaign had little impact

[Monopolyguy]

Absolute *****bag of a country. Well done to everyone that voted no. Hope you all enjoy your Tory-UKIP coalition hell hole and Scotland being shafted ever more come the next general election.

[ACLeith]

Some of us on here have thought of today as “Reconciliation Day 1”. I went to bed and now glad I did, but I accept that those who stayed up are likely to be tired and that may be influencing their reaction to comments.

Today must not be a day for recriminations, accusations or gloating.

You’re either a democrat or you’re not, that is another YES/NO situation. Let’s rejoice that democracy has been the winner. I am gutted at the result and I certainly expected it to be much closer, but I do not think less of my fellow-Scots because they have listened to the arguments and many have simply come to a different opinion than me. How arrogant it would be to think otherwise!

The Westminster model of government is based on Colonial/ British Empire ideas, that they knew best at the centre what was right for countries like India, Ceylon, African countries too numerous to mention. That was lost a long time ago and it could be argued that Scotland has lost the opportunity to accelerate the final break-up of that thinking.

I have been a Federalist most of my adult life and I believed that YES was the best way of achieving that. I heard Willie Rennie this morning use the “F-word”, which I think is the first time I have heard it in its right context during the campaign. I also hear of the final solution to the “West Lothian” question being part of the process now to be taken forward, but IMO the only real solution to that question is a federal system.

Cameron and Darling and others in the TV studios like Danny Alexander have given a commitment to following the timetable that was set out when they were panicking. I am prepared to put aside for a few months my scepticism at their ability to achieve that to pause and see what happens. If they fail to deliver than I will be first in line with the accusations and recriminations!

But until then, well done Scotland, for showing the world what true democracy means.

[Colonel_HFC]

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Well done to everyone that voted no.

Agreed.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Some of us on here have thought of today as “Reconciliation Day 1”. I went to bed and now glad I did, but I accept that those who stayed up are likely to be tired and that may be influencing their reaction to comments.

Today must not be a day for recriminations, accusations or gloating.

You’re either a democrat or you’re not, that is another YES/NO situation. Let’s rejoice that democracy has been the winner. I am gutted at the result and I certainly expected it to be much closer, but I do not think less of my fellow-Scots because they have listened to the arguments and many have simply come to a different opinion than me. How arrogant it would be to think otherwise!

The Westminster model of government is based on Colonial/ British Empire ideas, that they knew best at the centre what was right for countries like India, Ceylon, African countries too numerous to mention. That was lost a long time ago and it could be argued that Scotland has lost the opportunity to accelerate the final break-up of that thinking.

I have been a Federalist most of my adult life and I believed that YES was the best way of achieving that. I heard Willie Rennie this morning use the “F-word”, which I think is the first time I have heard it in its right context during the campaign. I also hear of the final solution to the “West Lothian” question being part of the process now to be taken forward, but IMO the only real solution to that question is a federal system.

Cameron and Darling and others in the TV studios like Danny Alexander have given a commitment to following the timetable that was set out when they were panicking. I am prepared to put aside for a few months my scepticism at their ability to achieve that to pause and see what happens. If they fail to deliver than I will be first in line with the accusations and recriminations!

But until then, well done Scotland, for showing the world what true democracy means.

Totally agree.

8 and a half months to get an agreement before the election. Then we have to wait and watch what the Westminster politicians decide.

[Scouse Hibee]

Cowards, bottlers, running scared, wtf is that all about? Some folk need to take a long look at themselves if that is their label to fellow posters and other NO voters. It's been a long night with passions running high,hopefully the reason for such outbursts.

[johnbc70]

Jeez the way some are reacting its as if Scotland was already some third world country that was awful to live in and its just been made 100 times worse. Some of you don't know how lucky you are.

[marinello59]

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Jeez the way some are reacting its as if Scotland was already some third world country that was awful to live in and its just been made 100 times worse. Some of you don't know how lucky you are.

I voted Yes but despite the vote not going my way I still think we still live in one of the best countries in the world. It could have been even better though.

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[Gus]

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Absolute *****bag of a country. Well done to everyone that voted no. Hope you all enjoy your Tory-UKIP coalition hell hole and Scotland being shafted ever more come the next general election.

Dry your eyes ffs

[goosefat]

Epic Yes voter lassie fail on Sky News...

“We’ll always be part of the UK but if we could be independent as well, that would be something else, that would be amazing”

[Colonel_HFC]

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Dry your eyes ffs

There's some white paper available for that.

[Gatecrasher]

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Cowards, bottlers, running scared, wtf is that all about? Some folk need to take a long look at themselves if that is their label to fellow posters and other NO voters. It's been a long night with passions running high,hopefully the reason for such outbursts.

[RyeSloan]

Well well some Yes voters really showed their true colours on this thread tonight....hopefully you'll get some sleep and be big enough to come back on and apologise.

ODS summed it up a few pages back. Salmond didn't make the case, he was unable to provide the concrete answers people need to back such a radical change.

It was pointed out to the Yes campaign time and time again that they needed to make that case for change, they needed to provide a clear roadmap and be 100% on what their version of independence actually meant...a concept to be negotiated after with no say from the electorate was simply not a good enough proposal for most.

I'm sure many will continue to blame the BBC et al but in reality the blame should be laid at Salmond's door...he took the wrong route and has paid for it dearly.

Many many no voters just couldn't agree to vote for the undoubted uncertainty and vagueness that a yes would bring.

Me? I'm relieved it's over, look forward to further devolved powers and truly hope that if the question is to be revisited the Yes campaign understand where they went wrong and come back with a credible and detailed proposal...if they had done that this time I have no doubt the nation would have voted Yes.

[capitals_finest]

Sickened by this result. What an opportunity, let down by our own.

Will never vote for Labour ever again.

[capitals_finest]

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Well well some Yes voters really showed their true colours on this thread tonight....hopefully you'll get some sleep and be big enough to come back on and apologise.

ODS summed it up a few pages back. Salmond didn't make the case, he was unable to provide the concrete answers people need to back such a radical change.

It was pointed out to the Yes campaign time and time again that they needed to make that case for change, they needed to provide a clear roadmap and be 100% on what their version of independence actually meant...a concept to be negotiated after with no say from the electorate was simply not a good enough proposal for most.

I'm sure many will continue to blame the BBC et al but in reality the blame should be laid at Salmond's door...he took the wrong route and has paid for it dearly.

Many many no voters just couldn't agree to vote for the undoubted uncertainty and vagueness that a yes would bring.

Me? I'm relieved it's over, look forward to further devolved powers and truly hope that if the question is to be revisited the Yes campaign understand where they went wrong and come back with a credible and detailed proposal...if they had done that this time I have no doubt the nation would have voted Yes.

What is uncertain and vague about making our own decisions and looking after our own affairs. Making up 10% of an electorate that represents your countries interests is surely vague and uncertain?!?

[ACLeith]

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Well well some Yes voters really showed their true colours on this thread tonight.... and come back with a credible and detailed proposal...

And some have accepted the democratic result? And all NO folk have been gracious and magnanimous?

We look forward to the first set of credible and detailed proposals by the end of November!

Anyway, back to reality, we have a vital match tomorrow, we can all vote YES to a win

[Pretty Boy]

About to drag myself into work having had about an hours sleep if I'm being generous.

Last night was hugely disappointing. IMO the Yes case was clear, not watertight perhaps but clear. Ultimately a majority of people either didn't feel that was the case or didn't like what they saw. Democracy is such that often a sizeable minority do not get what they want and this is one such time.

Something that has been heartening is seeing the grassroots campaigning on both side but particularly the Yes campaign. The number of people becoming politically active for the 1st time is positive and if a sizeable number of those people can be kept interested then we can ensure Scotland does get the additional powers promised.

When all is said and done last night was a vote againat independence. It wasn't an endorsement of the Conservatives, it wasn't an endorsement of the austerity measures which have hit the most vulnerable hardest and it, hopefully, wasn't an endorsement of the status quo. Time for people to dust themselves down and continue their fight for whatever they believe in.

Well done to the Nos, they got their vote out in numbers and galvanised that vote with their campaign.

[Monopolyguy]

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Dry your eyes ffs

I probably shouldn't have ranted like that, just emotions running a bit high so appologies to anyone offended by that post. I wanted a Yes vote, but now that it is a No, i just hope that this country can move forward and prosper. I still think we will be ****ed if/when the Tories and UKIP get in though, just my 2 cents.

[ACLeith]

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When all is said and done last night was a vote againat independence. It wasn't an endorsement of the Conservatives, it wasn't an endorsement of the austerity measures which have hit the most vulnerable hardest and it, hopefully, wasn't an endorsement of the status quo. Time for people to dust themselves down and continue their fight for whatever they believe in.

Well said

[RyeSloan]

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What is uncertain and vague about making our own decisions and looking after our own affairs. Making up 10% of an electorate that represents your countries interests is surely vague and uncertain?!?

The result makes it clear, voting for a concept was not enough for most.

When you propose change it is not enough to point at the status quo and say that's crap let's do something else without explaining what that something else actually entails.

I get ya re self determination and I agree...I actually think the majority of Scots do as well. BUT it needed to be clearer as to what that would mean in reality. A white paper wish list and it's our pound so we are keeping it and dinnae worry about the EU that will all work out fine was not good enough to carry the day.

[Gus]

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I probably should have ranted like that, just emotions running a bit high so appologies to anyone offended by that post. I wanted a Yes vote, but now that it is a No, i just hope that this country can move forward and prosper. I still think we will be ****ed if/when the Tories and UKIP get in though, just my 2 cents.

Fair play buddy

[bighairyfaeleith]

Votes done and we need to move on but I have to say I'm absolutely gutted this morning.

Everyone has to make the vote that they thought was right, so no problem with how people chose to vote but absolutely ashamed of the way the campaign by the No was run and the disgraceful scaremongering and fear they spread. Labour, Lib dems and tories will never ever get my vote again.

People in scotland have long memories and the opinions of 45% of us will not be ignored.

Anyway off to England now for a long weekend. Same old same old.

[calumhibee1]

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Votes done and we need to move on but I have to say I'm absolutely gutted this morning.

Everyone has to make the vote that they thought was right, so no problem with how people chose to vote but absolutely ashamed of the way the campaign by the No was run and the disgraceful scaremongering and fear they spread. Labour, Lib dems and tories will never ever get my vote again.

People in scotland have long memories and the opinions of 45% of us will not be ignored.

Anyway off to England now for a long weekend. Same old same old.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Votes done and we need to move on but I have to say I'm absolutely gutted this morning.

Everyone has to make the vote that they thought was right, so no problem with how people chose to vote but absolutely ashamed of the way the campaign by the No was run and the disgraceful scaremongering and fear they spread. Labour, Lib dems and tories will never ever get my vote again.

People in scotland have long memories and the opinions of 45% of us will not be ignored.

Anyway off to England now for a long weekend. Same old same old.

A wee bit of statisitcs to throw a wee bit of perspective, (especially for one of the No campaigners on here )

The total Electorate is 4,283,392
The total No vote is 2,001,392

So only 46.7% of the electorate voted in favour of NO, meaning 53.3% didn't get the result they wanted.

This is just like every election, isn't it?

[Mon Dieu4]

Is there anywhere you can find out what specific constituencies voted?, I'd like to see the Leith and Edinburgh north result

[goosefat]

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A wee bit of statisitcs to throw a wee bit of perspective, (especially for one of the No campaigners on here )

The total Electorate is 4,283,392
The total No vote is 2,001,392

So only 46.7% of the electorate voted in favour of NO, meaning 53.3% didn't get the result they wanted.

This is just like every election, isn't it?

- 'Guess' campaign...I mean, 'Yes' campaign maths.

4,283,392 total electorate
3,619,915 total votes cast

663,477 of the electorate therefore did not vote - How can you possibly assume that these people did not get what they wanted?

[HappyAsHellas]

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- 'Guess' campaign...I mean, 'Yes' campaign maths.

4,283,392 total electorate
3,619,915 total votes cast

663,477 of the electorate therefore did not vote - How can you possibly assume that these people did not get what they wanted?

Presumably because if it was something they believed in they would have voted?